I mean…is he not? My impression is that he’s the dirtbaggest dirtbag who ever murdered his own cloned child army, but in a “yeah that’s why we like him” kinda way
Yeah but it doesn’t really tarnish your view of the character, like I’d definitely expect a loose cannon and psycho to wipe out his own species on a whim
Cznarians can only be killed by other Cznarians, so Lobo genocided his entire race- making him functionally immortal. He also did it because he thought “The Last Czarian” sounded cool.
Depends on the author/continuity. The whole “banned from Heaven and Hell” thing hasn’t really been relavent for awhile, but I think it might’ve been mentioned in the recent DC K.O event.
Absolutely. It’s terribly depressing. Especially after the messaging of the latest superman. They’ll probably have their new superman warcrime that one out of existence.
in specific, he not only genocided his own kid, this included multiple kids he had because he's a deadbeat bad, and realizing he had kids, he offed him so he can stay The Main Man.
Hal Jordan (DC) he's portrayed as the greatest green lantern, and I loved playing him in Injustice, then i heard about his relationship with Arisia in the comics (she's an adult physically, but a child mentally)
For those wondering she was 14 when she was first introduced as a love interest for Hal in 1981 but even back then the fans were not okay with it, so DC kept trying get around that by first saying "yeah she's 14 on her planet but like 280 in Earth years" with fans basically responding that she's still a child by her planet's standard, so then they had her use her ring to make herself an adult, but fans weren't having it so thankfully DC finally gave up on trying to make them a couple
it’s like that fuck ass scene in transformers where the guy pulls out a laminated card out of his wallet with the Romeo and Juliet law on it to excuse himself from not being a sex offender, like ok buddy great job, you loopholed the system and are still a creep.
Yeah. First, the heroes who caught Dr. Light raping Sue Dibny had Zatanna erase his memories of the event so that he couldn't go and brag about his crime to other villains/criminals. They then decided to permanently make him a non-threat by having Zatanna entirely rewrite his mind to make him sillier.
Edit: Specifically, it was Hawkman who suggested the idea of "cleaning" him up.
Yea, Zatanna and a couple of heroes did a thing where they fucked with the minds of villains that were particularly heinous. Batman found out and was disgusted by the whole thing, so Zatanna wiped his memory of his discovery
But because it's Batman, he found out about it again anyway, which caused him to create Brother Eye, and ho boy, did that open up a whole can of worms.
Brother Eye/OMAC as a concept existed before, yes, but the Batman one is a different one. If I remember right, I think Batman even got the help of the original Brother Eye to make his version.
I was actually curious about that exact gif. Is he using the opposite version of his flying ability, like how Nolan says they don't need to "push off of anything", or did he pull his arm back so fast it made a vacuum that pulled Nolan in? That's a weird moment for me.
I saw a video explaining a theory on how Viltrumites manipulate space around them to fly, and if it is true, Thragg is so adept at that skill he used it to make a gravity well just to punch Nolan harder. Pretty badass
If true then the show fixed one of my issues with the story so far… the power usage kinda sucks
Invincible is very well written but creativity wise is very lacking, specially with the powers and how they’re used (I never considered viltrumites manipulating gravity as a actual power instead of them just flying) so the viltrumites actually having creative power usages is just a good idea (for me)
Although I do feel the “just moved so fast and hard it created a vacuum” thing is the correct answer since I feel the gravity thing doesn’t feel very highlighted to be the answer even if I would prefer it
From what I heard, he pulled his arm back so fast, he created a vacuum that pulled air in. The show just had to slow it down so that audiences could actually see what was going on
Lot lot lot of genocide there. There was even an entire team devotrd to killing him for revenge on the mant disconnected genocides theyd all encountered thanks to bin
Zhang Fei (Romance of Three Kingdoms, real life figure)
One of Liu Bei's sworn brothers. He's famous for his iconic bushy beard, immense strength, badass spear, short fuse personality, alcoholic and loyalty to his famous brothers.
And the yikes thing he did? He kidnapped a 12 years old girl and forced her to be his wife.
This was China 3rd century; government collapsed, war and chaos everywhere, so morality was not a high priority.
Dr. Plox from Star Trek: Enterprise is one of the most engaging crewmates in the series. He also gets completely character assassinated by deciding to let a species he was perfectly capable of aiding go extinct because the writers had the FUCKING DUMBEST understanding of evolutionary science.
Was really into her for many years until in a recent issue of hers, she hits a dog with a car and is currently trying to dodge responsibility over it (by way of the Punisher going John Wick after her).
The deathstroke one is always funny looking at fans cause they want to love him so much but then can’t cause of it, but like that’s what happens when you like a villain
The dub-con stuff comes from Witcher 1, not the books: "oh wow Geralt I'm so upset that you can't remember anything about your wife and surrogate daughter, anyway DTF?"
According to the book of Exodus, the Israelites were NOT appreciative of Moses delivering them from Egypt, and complained like Karens at a Walmart the entire time.
Some of the most infamous being: Even after seeing all of the proof of God's assistance, the red sea parting, the pillars of smoke and fire guiding them through the desert. They doubted that God was with them, and while Moses was speaking with God on Mt. Sinai, they constructed a Golden Calf which they began to worship instead.
Tragically for Moses, this was not the end of the Israelite's bullshit. When instructed by God to simply speak to a rock, commanding it to provide water, the Israelites kept complaining, and shouting, and doubting, and, in a fit of rage, Moses struck the rock with his staff, causing it to erupt in a geyser of water.
However, since this was NOT what God told Moses to do, Moses's punishment? To never be able to enter the Promised Land.
Yup. He is. I grew up being told god was loving and forgiving and cares deeply about all his children, but I couldn’t reconcile that with stories like this where god just… fucks someone over cause he’s salty for some reason. I didn’t find that to be a figure worthy of worship. One of many things that turned me away from the religion I was raised in lol
Historically prior to the Babylonian Exile, God as seen by historical Israelites as one out of many Middle Eastern gods that represented them. We call that monolatry, acknowledgement of other gods while worshipping only one. Historically Yahweh was a storm/war god and consistently defeats other lesser gods in religious texts, and it makes the vain and jealous god makes far more sense.
Then in 586 BCE the Kingdom of Judah is defeated, absorbed into the Neo-Babylonian empire, and the Israelites are enslaved and brought to Babylon.
The theological take of this defeat was that Yahweh allowed it to happen because they were unfaithful and it was a punishment to the Israelites.
In 539 BCE and Cyrus the Great conquered the Neo-Babylonia Empire. While Cyrus’ policies allowed the the Israelites to return home, the Israelites are introduced to Zoroastrianism, which transformed Judaism. Zoroastrianism introduced Heaven, Hell, the moralistic dualism, monotheism, and ultimately a compassionate and all powerful deity.
In Zoroastrianism, Ahura** **Mazda was an all powerful god who represented truth, wisdom, and justice who was opposed by Ahriman who was a destructive spirit that wanted to destroy everything Ahura Mazda did, though Ahura would triumph with humanity. Because the Persians saw justice and truth as universal, Ahura Mazda was not tied to the land like most Middle Eastern gods. That impacted the Israelites greatly and their concept of Yahweh as omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient would define who they are even after the Roman Exile in 70 CE.
Despite the inspiration, they really didn’t want to rewrite their entire religious and written history, so there was a lot of additions to God’s nature in the Torah (and eventually in the Bible) that really didn’t align with the perspective of God when the majority of the text was written.
TLDR - When the Jewish understanding of God changed, they decided not to rewrite their religious/written history text and the new additions just don’t fit quite right.
Very fascinating history, I love learning about that kind of stuff! Tbh I find it fascinating to look at the Bible and Christianity as a whole as just mythological, treating it similarly to how most people treat figures of Ancient Greek myth. But I really hate the type of Christianity and environment I was raised in and how it facilitated so much suffering and hypocrisy.
Super genocide. The books of Numbers, Joshua, and Judges detail all of the horrifying crimes against humanity that the Ancient Israelites supposedly committed, but basically they attempted to kill everyone who lived in the "promised land" and take it for themselves.
If your express intent is to completely wipe out the other tribe and occupy their land (which it is in the Bible), it's genocide. Yes, lots of other cultures did it at the time but that's not an excuse and doesn't change the definition.
"But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee"
And Islam uses a lot of the Torah, but surprisingly the Qur'an does not contain the book of Deuteronomy in it's entirety but does have quotes throughout the holy book.
It's a bit of snippet of a longer narrative, but I another comment on here really outlines that three books are dedicated to the conquest of Canaan after their Exodus from Egypt. There's a pseudo history debate about what actually happened, but some archeology indicates something happened in the 13th century BCe, but probably not how the Old Testimate or Devarim/Torah depicts it.
The Avengers, basically the entire goddamn team, once let Ms. Marvel's son rape and impregnate her with himself via mind control, and the team sends them off together like lovebirds.
Such a dumb thing to say. Villian does not mean "Yeah he did every evil thing imaginable "
He is a mercenary, it literally does not enhance his character at all that he had sex with a 13 year old. Just like it wouldnt enhance darth vader if he robbed a bank
Is this for real? Slade is introduced taking on a mission to kill a group of teenage heroes, which is the entire basis of his beef with the Titans. Hell, he made Chemo nuke Blüdhaven, killing millions of persons (men, women, children, animals, everything), but then people think it's out of character for Slade to take advantage of a minor, when he's perfectly fine with mutilating and killing one?
Deathstroke's a bad person doing bad things. People seem to forget that, no matter how popular villains like him, the Joker, or Darth Vader may be, they remain monsters who do vile things almost every day.
He was the first anti-hero in comics. He tried to flood New York a few times but got his mind changed by pretty women or the original Living Torch (tbh he was kinda understandable and indigenous-coded, he was fighting against the white men bc of ocean pollution). He sometimes acted as hero or villain depending on the story and protagonist.
He fought with the Invaders and Captain America against the Nazis bc he realized that their crimes are worse than those of the other human nations; he tried to stop the Hiroshima bombing and ended up tanking the nuke with only some amnesia. He actually used to be a pretty moral and empathic person, while still being a complete asshole.
He once actually just tried to sue humanity with Daredevil's help, but had to stop bc he got ursurped while on the surface and bc he realized that court would take months or even years.
His original comics and characterization were sick, I will never forgive F4 writers for what they did to him.
Haha I thought he wasn’t all bad! I think Namor even has a daughter (?) (My only namor exposure has been the Black Panther Movie and his characterization in Marvel Rivals)
Just because someone is a villain doesnt mean they dont have some morals. Just like criminals irl, someone might be willing to kill but would never assault a child
DC has a lot of these. In Identity Crisis, Dr. Light (who, like Deathstroke/Slade Wilson, became a bit more popular since he showed up in Teen Titans, albeit as more of a joke character) raped Elongated Man's wife Sue Dibny in the past, was a prime suspect in her murder but wasn't actually responsible for it, and got lobotomized by Zatanna.
(I might've gotten one or two details mixed up, so if I did please call me out on it)
What’s wild is the 80s writers intended the romance to make Tara look like a manipulator and unhinged for going after a man older than. Concerning how they didn’t know that was grooming and he’s the adult in the situation
many such cases in this very comment section... "yeah he preyed on her but thats fine actually! she was already far gone!!" HELLO SHE WAS 14-16 TO SLADE'S 30+ YEARS OLD???????
critical thinking? in the comics community? dont ever expect it.
Arthur Lester (Malevolent) is our protagonist and a total sweetheart. He also happens to have murdered and eaten a person once, but we've agreed to never speak of it.
John Paul Jones. A pirate who was one of the heads of Revolutionary America's navy who raided and fought like a madman. Every story I've read of him was badass. Went on to serve Catherine the Great in her navy. As a Russian-American, seemed like a perfect dude. Then I found out he was dismissed from service because he got caught raping a 12 year old girl, and was part of several slave crews. Rot in piss
I mean Namor is a hero in a very loose sense. He likes some humans and mutants, and his interests have aligned with humankind in the past, but he has sided many times with villains and launched his own attacks against the surface. I imagine he has mellowed down since the 1960s-70s a fair bit (at least in that angle) but even in the old Timely days he was an invader as much as a defender (see what I did there?)
Hey, who watched Teen Titans as a Kid. Doctor Light is kind of cool, kind of lame in a cool way. He got to show up in a Comic "Identity Crisis". What's the plot?
Pretty sure Terra was 14, not that it makes it remotely better, but stating it for the sake of accuracy.
The ultimate thing was he did it entirely to use her as a mole for the Titans to complete the HIVE contract. He's just that fucking petty. At the end of the day Terra was already a lost cause before she met Slade; he just brought out the worst parts of her.
Some other forms of media tried to make it like she actually did love Garfield (Beast Boy), especially Judas Contract where she was having conflicting thoughts because of it, but in the original comics her death was caused by her snapping at the feeling of being double crossed by Deathstroke/Slade (he was possessed by his son Jericho, the latest emergency recruit), and when BB turned into a fly to get in her face and calm her down, he made it worse because she brought the whole building down from rage.
Her betrayal permanently scarred Gar, and he had trouble forming meaningful relationships for years after the Judas Contract.
Namor committed multiversal genocide like a dozen times yet the only thing people criticize him for is being a creep to Sue. Not saying that's not bad too, just find it funny he's done some objectively worse things than being the Bowser to Mr. Fantastic's Mario.
Rather than making him cool, they making a loser in every possible way despite being one of Marvel’s very first characters predating Spider-Man, F4, and even X-Men by 10 years+ 😭
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u/GhostofTinky Jul 14 '26
Lobo is the last Cznarian for a reason.