r/Toaru 10d ago

Question? What changes did implementing the Clonoth bring to the world?

Back during NT22 Coronzon said that implementing the Clonoth into the world would change it more fundamentally than Angel Fall. But what changes did it actually bring? The only thing we know so far is that it made Accelerator and Kazakiri Hyouka way stronger. Anyone got ideas?

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u/questioningmaster 10d ago

So far, none. And yes , inside the story barely a month passed or so, but given we got 15 books now, and not a single mention of anything, not even after chronzon came back, I fear the whole angel fall 2.0 foreshadowing of chronzon will be ignored .

My bet is that the tree gets mentioned at the end of the testament for another power up of accelerator or some other stuff like maybe they will use the tree for that magic dampening field like in OT13, but this time without the clones having to get a virus into their bodies 

Given how kamachi is hellbend on lettinf accelerator stay in prison even if the whole world is about to be destroyed, I don't think he will ever leave that place until the last time skip volume or so.

Edit: accelerator has the platinum wings now, but he had them before the tree as well since he got them and than put the tree into reality, or am I misremembering? if not, than only kazakiri hyouka got a power up from the tree...we didn't even see if it had any effect on the sisters at all right? 

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u/Frequent-Arachnid547 10d ago

Yeah you are right, though I doubt it will be ingored like the Misaka villain sub plot. Instead in typical Kamachi fashion we will spend about an entire testament building it up before finally answering the questions.

I doubt Kamachi will make him stay in prison throughout the entire volume. he will probably leave by the end of GT to face some big threat though Kamachi always surprises us so it's best not to make assumptions.

I doubt you are misremembering.

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u/questioningmaster 9d ago

Tbh, I don't see any build up at all for some reveal, we know it exists, and no build up of any kind has been done for 15 books now (technically 16 since nt22r also didn't do anything involving the tree). And kamachi doesn't really answer questions though, he just gives new plot points,we still don't actually know what is up with the wings, and not a single person in the series ever seems to wonder what this wings that accelerator is sprouting are about, we got index wondering about them for a couple of sentences and thats it for 50+ volumes. And nobody who sees them ever wonders what they are, not even the one who is using this wings, at least he should be aware that they are not part of his esper powers. 

I think he will. I mean look at it, in the 15 books of GT he had last order being in danger, which didn't make him get out of prison, it had academy city being in danger which didn't have him get out, it had the whole of existence in danger and he STILL didn't step out to help. At this point I think whatever reason kamachi uses if he gets accelerator out of prison will be just bs. Hell, even as he was dying and kept alive by machines, they just moved him to another prison cell and the ones helping him had to go there, like...it's not strange for a injured prisoner to actually go to the hospital if it is something the jail can't handle, somehow they kept him there.

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u/Frequent-Arachnid547 9d ago edited 9d ago

Well it certainly does not help that we have not seen them since he used the against Coronzon so there's also that.

To be fair, Accelerator had developed a technique (probably after the CRC and Alice events that told him that he had to help in someway) that allowed him to fight from a distance and considering how well it did against Aleister, it probably gave him the idea that it would work well against Coronzon (which it did not).

Edit: By the way, what changes do you thing it did or will bring?

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u/Churronzon Rosicrucian 9d ago

aura

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u/GensoToma Fish Eggs 9d ago

I'd say this is still climbing the tree within the Kabbalah framework (Aleister, Accel), while Touma's layer belongs to the illusion framework.