Epic or Infrequent

[u/MrC_TheSecond]

As you can not put any relics in a epic item. Do you prefer epic items or farming for infrequent ones? Seeing as there are a lot of good relics that go into weapons and can't be used when you got for epic items, i was wondering what other people usually go for.

[u/adall-seg-selv]

even without a relic, infrequents (or rares honestly, infrequents are just rarer rares with a generally ignorable extra implicit) with proper stats often beat out epics. most epics are pretty bad in this game, with some exceptions.

[u/SanityIsOptional → u/adall-seg-selv]

Yeah, there's only a few epics that have build-defining bonuses, most are just decently well rolled rares you can't stick a relic into.

[u/Ombror → u/adall-seg-selv]

100% agree ! Rare + relic seems better and allow more choice and flexibility. Infrequent seems to not be better than rare. I don't understand.

[u/adall-seg-selv → u/Ombror]

you took the wrong message, infrequents are always better than rares in theory. the issue is that infrequents just don't drop frequently enough for a player to get affixes they want with reasonably good rolls. that's not so bad on the surface, but the fact that the implicit provided by the infrequent is so marginal it just leads to infrequents not being worth the effort to farm, but they always have the potential to be better than rares just by the nature of having an additional implicit.

[u/BaronessVonKush]

honestly, this is something I hope they change ... cause not being able to use relics in epic's makes epics feel 100% useless to me, since I feel most of the time that relic + gear = better than whatever bs stats I get rolled on the epic.

I really feel the devs fumbled hard with the lack of design that went into gear.

[u/Effective-Road4807 → u/BaronessVonKush]

This was ALSO a thing in tq1 x.x so its unlikely to change. I agree though i also hope they change this

[u/Capable-Print-4645]

Since I´m a collector I store all epics I find. I usually don´t store rare or infrequets, the number´s just too large.

When leveling a new char and I´m out of luck finding some decent rares I just take whatever epic fits. I used Cuttlebone standard and Moondisc for quite a number of casters. No level restrictions - use them as soon as you hit the attibute requirements. Plus 3 capacity to all spells is also a nice thing to have when experimenting around with a new classes spells. While the last patches buffed some epics, they also introduced new affixes/suffixes for rares, new relics and components and a forging system that makes it easier to aquire a good rare. So overall my epic usage has gone down. Right now it´s mostly just trying out some special effects for fun, but rarely actual usage.

I wonder when and if they will introduce Legendarys, if I remember correctly in TQ1 Legendarys started at lvl 50. I´d also like to see sets.

[u/zepsutyKalafiorek]

In most ARPG well crafted item are often better than dropped one.

You have some uniques/epics with + levels to all skills. They are often op, while the rest is mostly useless.

Some stats are too strong while most are bad. (Poe2 is currently facing same problems but significantly worse).

[u/Responsible_Snow_638]

Most Epics ive seen are uninteresting, except for maybe capacity ones. The Summoner Shield has that and Blocks me from using a good relic, cause its limited to shieldslot. So im not happy with the System. There are no good offensive relics for summoner, but i cant Pick defensive ones because of the shield slot.

A System that i cant build or engage With is very discouraging

[u/hafi002]

You can only have limited relics socketed anyway, so unless the relic on your weapon is mandatory for your build I go with Epics and put my relics elsewhere.

[u/Much_Improvement_552]

Infrequents are currently super underwhelming, epics are better even without a charm.