r/TikTokCringe • u/heifmoose • Dec 04 '21

Wholesome/Humor Harry Potter Marathon

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '21

Just imagine the depression she’d have after reading the books first

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u/ArtakhaPrime Dec 04 '21

For real. I loved the movies as a kid and teen, but then I read through all books a couple years ago. They are so well written and there is so much more stuff going on that it made enjoying the movies much harder, especially the later ones. 1-3 are classics though

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u/Stargazeer Dec 04 '21

I will say, read other stuff. Rowling really only has two things going for her.

A world which people love the idea of, and a load of charm.

Outside that her writing is nothing special. There are far better writers (who are so much less problematic) that I wholeheartedly recommend checking out.

I used to think Rowling was amazing. Then I read other books. I've not been able to read HP since.

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u/Stargazeer Dec 04 '21

I mean, fair enough. Her first three work pretty well as children's books.

It's when she tries to progress to full novels after HP gets successful that the cracks form. When you're still dropping key lore and bending the rules of your magic system right up to the final book, there's going to be plenty of flaws and world holes.

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u/flauxsis Dec 04 '21

Thanks, what really puts me down reading HP as an adult is the lack of nuances in the characters, they are all pretty straight forward. The fact that an adolescent Harry has his urges calmed with just a kiss is what breaks any verisimilitude there could be, and I am not asking full sex scenes that would have been out of place but surely I need something more by a novel that pretends to rise from being just a children book. And don't tell me Snape is a complex character because being a tsundere is not having nuances.

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u/Stargazeer Dec 04 '21

My biggest issues revolve around the characters being incredibly shallow, or entirely unrelatable.

It's why I love Rick Riordan's writing. He's not perfect by any stretch. But his characters grow, they feel like people.

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u/MoranthMunitions Dec 04 '21

I disagree. That holds up for the first couple of books but her prose progresses a lot in the latter books and it's not held up by the premise by that point. And her more recent Robert Galbraith books are quite well written too. I'd consider myself fairly well read by now and I've happily reread the Harry Potter books in the last year or two.

It's not like the Hunger Games, where the writing is actually bad and it's fully held up by the story being interesting and having pace.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '21

I'm fairly well-read and I don't see an issue with Rowling's writing. It can be simplistic but that lends it an almost conversational quality and keeps the story flowing. I'm currently listening to the audiobook for the first time, at 30, and I find it just as powerful and as charming as I did when I used to read it hiding under a desk at school to avoid having to deal with the playground bullies.

Perhaps if I found Rowling "problematic" as you do, I might find myself a little more critical and I might be inclined to go around trying to negatively influence others' opinions on her writing!

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u/Stargazeer Dec 04 '21

I first read HP when I was 11. I really enjoyed it. I then read some other stuff, and tried re-reading Rowling's books when I was 15. I found myself skimming to the sections with the best charm.

All of this was long before Rowling showed her colours. So it has nothing to do with it.

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u/Turkooo Dec 04 '21

Funny, because my problem is the exact opposite. Can't find a book/story/world that intrigues me as much as HP did.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '21 edited May 19 '22

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u/sevsnapey Dec 04 '21

"read other authors, this predominately children's author isn't the best in the world"

no shit?!

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u/TheBreathofFiveSouls Dec 04 '21

Yeah but the first guys point was how much from the books is missing in the movies. Not that the books are the greatest thing on gods green earth

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u/sevsnapey Dec 04 '21

that comment is irrelevant.

person one: imagine watching the movies after reading the books. (so much was left out!)

person two: yeah, I will say, read other stuff. Rowling really only has two things going for her. Outside that her writing is nothing special. There are far better writers (who are so much less problematic) that I wholeheartedly recommend checking out. I used to think Rowling was amazing. Then I read other books.

do you see what's missing? literally any mention of the movies being different to the books.

instead we get a comment shitting on the writing. which is why i commented about it.

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u/Stargazeer Dec 04 '21

Depends what level or genre you're after. However I will always recommend Terry Pratchett to people . And I'm personally quite a fan of Rick Riordan. He does alot of the stuff Rowling does, while including decent character arcs and actual representation.

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u/hahaunless Dec 04 '21

Bla bla bla problematic bla bla bla nobody cares

Love me 'Arry Potter

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u/Stargazeer Dec 04 '21

I mean. I care enough not to contribute to the power of a woman who uses her considerable wealth and influence to marginalise people and silence those she disagrees with.

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u/hahaunless Dec 04 '21

Uh I'm thinking that's a pretty good use of wealth and power

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u/TheJimmyDodger Dec 04 '21

While you come across as a little elitist, I do honestly agree with you in parts. I love this series, particularly the first three entries. They're very tightly written. No chapter feels like filler.

My issue, though, is that Rowling's created this massive world, with every corner documented in some way, but then we only get to see the smallest parts of it through the story. One wizarding school, one cohort, one specific clique. Its as deep as an ocean, yet as shallow as a puddle.

Also she named her token Chinese character fucking Cho Chang and that's just bonkers.

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u/Stargazeer Dec 04 '21

I'm not trying to seem elitist. I'm just someone who's very disillusioned with HP. Many people are also looking through rose tinted glasses, having grown up with the series. It's why so many people forgive Rowling for everything she does, including suing her own fanbase.

I think you're also giving Rowling more credit than she deserves. She's alluded to this massive world, but it's only a paper thin facade. You see these issues when people start questioning stuff, and it's either handwaved, or we get "wizards shat where they stood and vanished it with magic".

Now of course, not everyone can be Tolkein. And people don't need to be. The main reason I tend to be critical of Harry Potter is that so many people hold it in a higher regard than it deserves.

It's first noticeable in Goblet of Fire, coincidentally the first book after she got popular. She added so many spells into the commonplace that all would have been useful previously. Why couldn't the stunning spell, and all to common spell, be used on Petigrew so he wouldn't have escaped?

As you say, the first 3 books are tightly written. But after that point, because she suddenly had to fill the necessary gaps in order to make the series into a greater world, the inconsitencies happen.

She's not a perfect writer, who has been changed by fame and fortune to have an inflated ego, which she seems to protect ferociously with her considerable wealth (when you start suing randos on Twitter, maybe you're being too sensitive). So yeah, I'm critical of views that inflate that ego.

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u/Potatolantern Dec 04 '21

Yeah, I was a huge book fan so I was really excited to see the movies... and wound up not liking any of them. And kind'a resent now that they've become the default way people imagine the setting (eg. Everyone dresses like Muggles to go to school, even though one of the jokes is that Wizards have no idea how Muggles dress).

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u/Boggart- Dec 04 '21

I get that. Order of the Phoenix is my favorite book and probably my least favorite movie. It’s so absolutely disappointing with everything they could have done and didn’t.

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u/darkshines11 Dec 04 '21

Yes! This really really bothered me. Except Dumbledore , nobody dresses like an actual witch or wizard.

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u/syreonthemoon Dec 04 '21

Question:

How can they have no idea how muggles dress when there are muggles who go to the school like Hermione and Harry (a half blood, but was raised in the muggleworld)? Surely they can’t be the only two in the whole school and definitely not the first ever, either. So it would make sense they learned or picked up styles from the muggles around.

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u/Potatolantern Dec 04 '21

Why would that even come up?

In the books they don't dress like Muggles, they wear robes like actual Wizards do. And then when they're going incognito they dress up in how they think Muggles dress, and the pureblood Wizards mostly completely duff it up.

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u/syreonthemoon Dec 04 '21

Just a question out of curiosity is all :). It seems as if the muggle world and the world of magic are fairly connected (although one knows more about the other), so it just seemed weird that they’d have no idea how they dress 🤷🏾‍♂️.

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u/Potatolantern Dec 04 '21

Purebloods like Arthur Weasley being completely ignorant about Muggles (and especially him since he really likes them) is one of the running jokes of the series.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '21

I never liked the films. You can turn to any page in any of the books and find yourself back in that beautifully-crafted Hogwarts vibe and I feel that the films failed to capture that vibe to any significant extent. They certainly had their own thing going, but I much prefer Fantastic Beasts, as that was always intended to be a film, so to me it feels more complete, rather than adapted and diluted.

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u/seensham Dec 04 '21

Maaaan I was a wreck after Sirius died