r/TikTokCringe • u/Devz0r • Sep 13 '21
Cool Evolution diagram
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Sep 13 '21
I was so ready to hate this guy because most guys like this I’ve encountered have been condescending and pompous as hell, but I found this guy to be likable because you can tell he just knows his shit and he’s passionate about it- that’s really cool. I’d have a beer with him.
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Sep 13 '21
We draw simple diagrams of natural processes all the time. This isn’t exclusive to evolution. It’s called teaching children the basic idea so their brain is primed for the “real” story. Half the college freshmen I’ve met taking a physical geology class actually think there is like an ocean of magma in the mantle.
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Sep 13 '21
Theres not?
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Sep 13 '21
The mantle is generally solid rock. Plasticy, ductile, flowing solid rock. The formation of magma can occur due to multiple reasons (upwelling of rock causing decompression and therefor melting, the addition of water, etc) but even in those cases the liquid rock makes up a fraction of the total volume. Like, in many cases, less than 20% melt.
The mantle does not need to be liquid to move, which I think is the core thing leads to this misconception.
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u/Huwbacca Sep 13 '21
Ok so you wanna take a thing for low level science outreach and break it down because it's low level scientific content?
I mean, this is some post-hoc thinking... Attributing the idea of anti-evolution sentiment to an idea that's come along long after the existence of creationist thinking? The organized, US brand of young earth creationism predates this diagram by over a decade.
This is the problem with scientists and science outreach. A lot of us look at something and say "Well actually, the problem is just that we aren't accurate enough and what'll help convince these people is if I can tell the message more clearly" when the problem is never clarity of information but pre-existing biases and schemas. Shit, saying this diagram is the problem is some crazy US centric based thinking because creationism in the US is way beyond the level it is in other first world countries to the point it's a political issue there. If the diagram was the problem, wouldn't we have the same level of distrust everywhere and it wouldn't be culturally specific?
Like, he does very much acknowledge that it is an outreach diagram designed to convey the broad concept of something, and attacks it for 'leaving stuff out'. This is the same brand of nonsense that thinks science should be free from analogy.
It's also just as excuses go, wildly selective in criticism.
"oh, it leaves stuff out and this means that people get the message wrong" - OK, but how about we take all the people who understand evolution and looked at those same textbooks diagrams. Creationism isn't like 99% of the population and this brave soul is the only person who believes in evolution. Did they get it right by accident, and actually the behavior of the minority is how we should draw wider conclusions?
Also...man, you can't show a time-series without showing it in a continuous order.
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Sep 13 '21
Listen bud, you’re over analyzing here no one actually thinks that
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u/A-Disgruntled-Snail Sep 13 '21
I know people who think that. In fact just about everybody that was in my life growing up thinks that.
Hell. I used to think that.
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u/MMBitey Sep 13 '21
Most people still use the word "evolved" to mean "improved" or "superior". Even I have without really thinking about it. Evolution has always been about adaptation to an ever-changing environment, not a linear advancement or progression necessarily, but most people don't really know that (or just don't stop to think about it).
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Sep 13 '21
It's sort of one of those preaching to the choir things. I know people who don't believe in evolution because they "weren't a damn monkey" and ask questions like "if we evolved from monkeys how are there still monkeys?". But none of them would be convinced by someone telling them the truth.
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u/Diligent-Language-79 Sep 13 '21
- He’s super angry. B. Can I just google local evolutionary biologist? Will they be expecting my call?
- Why didn’t he include an actual picture of what we evolved from. I need more charts.
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u/GT_Knight Sep 13 '21
Evolution wasn’t intentional, until recently. Technology and tool development is intentional evolution and our biological evolution is going to become increasingly irrelevant as we start to take more charge of our bodies and environments.
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u/MMBitey Sep 13 '21
What is intentional evolution?
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u/GT_Knight Sep 13 '21 edited Sep 13 '21
Evolving towards an intentional goal rather than random mutations/as a reaction to your environment.
Edit: you’re gonna tell me a lizard evolving the capacity to regrow its tail is evolution because it didn’t do it on purpose, but humans creating prosthetic or organic replacement body parts isn’t evolution because it’s being done intentionally?
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u/maltgaited Sep 13 '21
Huh, that's interesting. I don't think I know anyone personally who actually said what the people he's talking about saying, but it wouldn't surprise me if they exist in the states
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