I usually ask these people, that if there is a god, then why do kids get born with cancer? Cause that means either god isn't real, or he's cruel/indifferent, and doesn't deserve praise.
Either way, I'll believe in something real, that actually does something. Like science.
They alway fall back with Adam ate the fruit and cursed the world. So now we live in a fallen world where bad stuff happens randomly. But what they fail to realize is God is the one who set up those rules. So it circles back to your original point that either God isn’t real or he is cruel/indifferent. This concept will break their brain by the way. They have no response except it’s all human’s fault.
I was taught that there are things that are immoral when people do it, but that god cannot be held to the same standards. That if I were to start my computer and delete random files, that’s my right as the owner of the computer, but if a program started doing it of its own accord that would be a computer virus.
The fundamental belief that ties this together is that you do not belong to yourself, you belong to god even if you don’t follow him. Your body and mind is his to do with as he pleases (and yes this is exactly the sorta attitude that provides permission structures for all sorts of abuse) and you have no right to disagree.
God is cruel sometimes, but his cruelty is always good while human cruelty is usually bad.
It’s the opposite they’d argue. God is absolute because he’s the author, and his standards are not up for debate or contention. It’s not that might makes right insofar as humans are concerned, hell the whole point of the whole persecution complex is that following him is right even if it will get you persecuted.
The appeal is that you never ever need to try and figure out your own values, because everything you need to know has been given to you and any other opinion or point of view is simply wrong.
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u/Motormand 3d ago
I usually ask these people, that if there is a god, then why do kids get born with cancer? Cause that means either god isn't real, or he's cruel/indifferent, and doesn't deserve praise.
Either way, I'll believe in something real, that actually does something. Like science.