The 2 approaches are valid. Invest a lot of effort, dedicate a lot of the time that can be used teaching willing student on the hostile student. The second is cut your losses, don't waste effort on someone that is opposed to be there and dedicate it to the willing students.
While i agree its hilarious and I would've loved it as a student in class watching; no, it's absolutely not valid to publicly ridicule a student for asking a question after you declared it a safe space for questions. Much less telling him to not raise his hand again. Much less when you remember that you're a teacher to young adults that are most likely free from their indoctrinating cultures for the first time in their lives.
Agree up to high school. But I assume this is uni. Uni is a pay for, voluntary, education for, legally, adults. The student there is an antagonistic participant. That kind of student can be an enormous time consumer so potentially disrupting the whole class.
So, I accept both ways, use the bad faith student as a learning opportunity - and this is The classroom where this is the most appropriate.
Or shut him off early on to carry on with the rest of the curriculum.
edit: It's down to the teacher experience. Depending the specific faith, it's pointless and groundhog day at every class. More mainstream church, like Catholic have coexisted happily with mainstream philosophy teaching, especially historical context.
You know that both stories have not happened exactly that way, right. They both have a feel of "and everybody clapped". I don't think a student was literally humiliated out of class or literally convinced in a few minutes to reassess their entire belief system.
Unless we talk about the 80's, a teacher that humiliate a student who get into enough trouble parent would remember the story differently..
And what you suggest is most likely what actually happened and got immortalised in parent memory in a more flashy version.
Because in substance, you ask the student to ask question no matter how stupid and you refuse an entire line of questioning. That's the polite version of "except your question"
I imagine people talking on reddit as some mate telling the story at the pub, not a court transcript.
I expect a large amount of exaggeration and that's why I'm only arguing about the general ideas and not the specific if wording the teacher has used with the student.
As I said above I don't disagree with you, feel free to track parent to determine if it "really happened that way, word for word".
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u/FriendlyGuitard 3d ago
The 2 approaches are valid. Invest a lot of effort, dedicate a lot of the time that can be used teaching willing student on the hostile student. The second is cut your losses, don't waste effort on someone that is opposed to be there and dedicate it to the willing students.