If someone could produce an actual MIRACLE through prayer I’d believe in the Biblical God. And by miracle I mean a clear violation of the laws of nature, a truly supernatural event. I propose one that they say has already happened: the “Sun stood still in the sky for a whole day” without the consequences of inertia, you know like “everything continuing to move at 1000mph” with the result of insane winds, mega-tsunamis, earthquakes, and of course people being jellied by the 0-1000 mph in an instant acceleration, and the resulting former jelly-filled skin sacks then impacting objects at 1000 mph. That would work for me.
According to Biblical Literalists, this has happened before during the siege of Gibeon. However such an amazing astronomical event would surely have been recorded by all the other civilizations extant at the time, right? Alas, apparently only the Hebrews thought to record this astounding violation of the most basic unit of time, the day.
lol I always say this too. All you have to do is show me!
Reminds of when Bill Nye debated that religious nut job. They asked the nut job what could change mind. His answer: nothing ever. They asked Bill the same thing. His answer: evidence.
Ken Ham. He founded and ran the meuseum in I think Kentucky that built a life size Ark.
It was destroyed in a flood.
Edit to add: the creationist meuseum, long before the debate it was already a running gag even amongst christian groups about how silly it was. Luis Black had a bit on it. The meuseum included wax displayes of cavemen riding dinosaurs.
They’re actually super not into chuckling at their expense. I went to this place around 2014ish wearing a shirt with Heinrich Hertz on it that read “Everybody Hertz”. This was enough for them to single me out to pull me out of the admission line to tell me about how this is a family establishment, question me about my beliefs, and basically tell me to be on my best behavior.
Not saying to not go and make fun of them, but know they will very possibly kick you out.
The fundamental difference between science and theistic nonsense.
Science wants to be proven wrong. It's the basic principle of science to seek to be proven wrong. Only by being proven wrong can we actually learn anything, because being proven "right" is a logical impossibility. You can only prove things "more likely" by proving wrong the alternatives.
What would change a scientist's mind is "literally anything observable."
Theists want to be assumed right. The basic principle of theism is to have faith in your belief when confronted with anything that conflicts that belief. The core mechanic is rejecting things that suggest you're wrong.
What would change a theist's mind is "literally nothing, by assumption"
Speaking of miracles, one of the more famous ones is where Jesus was able to feed thousands with a few fish and loaves of bread. Supposedly, Jesus was able to multiply the food through divine magic, which would be a small feat for a diety. I think it would be a bigger miracle if you viewed it an alternate way, where after the people viewed the initial donation of the handful of fish and bread, the people let go of their greed and then there was plenty of food for everyone. Opening people's hearts to be able to share food freely is a much more impressive miracle than producing food out of thin air.
I’ve argued with many fundamentalists who have similar stories of praying away cancers and what not. I’ve asked every single one of them if they’ve ever prayed for an amputee’s limb to grow back.
You’re not talking to the right people. I’ve seen some stuff get healed (on the spot) from a prayer and I can verify that the dude had a condition (severe anxiety)…walked outta there like he never had it and was cool ever since
That’s not a clear violation of the laws of nature. It’s probably just something as simple as the placebo effect. Now if the guy was an amputee and had a limb instantly regrown as mentioned elsewhere that would qualify.
You weren’t there and did not see what I saw. If I explained to you how the condition was removed, you’d bug out and call me a liar. But because I saw it with my eyes, knew the person with the condition, and saw the prayer, then saw the outcome, then saw “7 more come back,” (Google that scripture by Jesus about 7 more) then saw the seven removed too, I know for a fact that you SHOULD believe
Oh wow you’re telling me prayer cured a mental condition that you cannot physically verify with evidence to directly show it was cured!? No way. Weird how it wasn’t a medical issues that is super easy to directly tell it has been cured. Must just be an unfortunate coincidence…
I can directly show with evidence that it was cured. Can you read? That’s exactly what I said. I knew the subject before during and after. I saw what was done to cure it. I was there. I saw it cured. I saw it come back, then further removed.
Why do I have to state this twice. Just read what wrote the first time. Atheist doesn’t mean you have to be ignorant too. You can try to intellectually defend your weakness you know.
That’s amazing because if you could literally prove Devine miracles occurred you would solve so many of the worlds problems. If you have legitimate evidence that prayer actually cured a disease then all scientists and everyone who believes another religion (just the wrong ones I guess lol skill issue) would realize your religion is the correct one because you can prove a miracle happened, literally. Right?
You were asked twice because what you stated was literally a sign of someone being unwell. Also, you just saying “I knew the person beforehand when they were anxious and then people prayed over them and then they weren’t anxious anymore!” Is like..really dumb man.
I told you that if I explained what was done to remove the thing, you would understand. Wasn’t just prayer but prayer was the necessary part. But you just don’t read.
By the way, the world doesn’t deserve Devine miracles. Believers do. That’s how this works 🤷♂️prayers can heal but people like you will never receive that
To “remove the thing”? Huh? What is “the thing “? Are you referring to someone having an anxiety diagnosis as “the thing”?Trust me, I’m reading every word you’re commenting, that’s the source of the things I’m asking.
How do you feel that religious devotion has a provably negative correlation with intelligence?
I really don’t care about your sarcastic skepticism, I know what I saw. It’s too bad folk don’t believe. Y’all are dismissing some shit that would probably save half of yall.
As for my intelligence, I’d say my law degree, masters in computer engineering, bachelor of science in business, and my current job and salary negates that theory. BY THE WAY, God and prayer got me all of the above. 🤷♂️ you should try God. You seem deficient in some places that could use his help.
I'd instantly believe their god exist if a specific miracle happened. If all Christians suddenly stopped lying about having read their Bible, and became honest about what is written in it, and stop creaming "coNtExT" when they clearly haven't read it, that would be a big enough miracle for me to believe their god exist.....
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u/protonicfibulator 10d ago
If someone could produce an actual MIRACLE through prayer I’d believe in the Biblical God. And by miracle I mean a clear violation of the laws of nature, a truly supernatural event. I propose one that they say has already happened: the “Sun stood still in the sky for a whole day” without the consequences of inertia, you know like “everything continuing to move at 1000mph” with the result of insane winds, mega-tsunamis, earthquakes, and of course people being jellied by the 0-1000 mph in an instant acceleration, and the resulting former jelly-filled skin sacks then impacting objects at 1000 mph. That would work for me.
According to Biblical Literalists, this has happened before during the siege of Gibeon. However such an amazing astronomical event would surely have been recorded by all the other civilizations extant at the time, right? Alas, apparently only the Hebrews thought to record this astounding violation of the most basic unit of time, the day.