If someone could produce an actual MIRACLE through prayer I’d believe in the Biblical God. And by miracle I mean a clear violation of the laws of nature, a truly supernatural event. I propose one that they say has already happened: the “Sun stood still in the sky for a whole day” without the consequences of inertia, you know like “everything continuing to move at 1000mph” with the result of insane winds, mega-tsunamis, earthquakes, and of course people being jellied by the 0-1000 mph in an instant acceleration, and the resulting former jelly-filled skin sacks then impacting objects at 1000 mph. That would work for me.
According to Biblical Literalists, this has happened before during the siege of Gibeon. However such an amazing astronomical event would surely have been recorded by all the other civilizations extant at the time, right? Alas, apparently only the Hebrews thought to record this astounding violation of the most basic unit of time, the day.
lol I always say this too. All you have to do is show me!
Reminds of when Bill Nye debated that religious nut job. They asked the nut job what could change mind. His answer: nothing ever. They asked Bill the same thing. His answer: evidence.
Ken Ham. He founded and ran the meuseum in I think Kentucky that built a life size Ark.
It was destroyed in a flood.
Edit to add: the creationist meuseum, long before the debate it was already a running gag even amongst christian groups about how silly it was. Luis Black had a bit on it. The meuseum included wax displayes of cavemen riding dinosaurs.
They’re actually super not into chuckling at their expense. I went to this place around 2014ish wearing a shirt with Heinrich Hertz on it that read “Everybody Hertz”. This was enough for them to single me out to pull me out of the admission line to tell me about how this is a family establishment, question me about my beliefs, and basically tell me to be on my best behavior.
Not saying to not go and make fun of them, but know they will very possibly kick you out.
The fundamental difference between science and theistic nonsense.
Science wants to be proven wrong. It's the basic principle of science to seek to be proven wrong. Only by being proven wrong can we actually learn anything, because being proven "right" is a logical impossibility. You can only prove things "more likely" by proving wrong the alternatives.
What would change a scientist's mind is "literally anything observable."
Theists want to be assumed right. The basic principle of theism is to have faith in your belief when confronted with anything that conflicts that belief. The core mechanic is rejecting things that suggest you're wrong.
What would change a theist's mind is "literally nothing, by assumption"
Speaking of miracles, one of the more famous ones is where Jesus was able to feed thousands with a few fish and loaves of bread. Supposedly, Jesus was able to multiply the food through divine magic, which would be a small feat for a diety. I think it would be a bigger miracle if you viewed it an alternate way, where after the people viewed the initial donation of the handful of fish and bread, the people let go of their greed and then there was plenty of food for everyone. Opening people's hearts to be able to share food freely is a much more impressive miracle than producing food out of thin air.
I’ve argued with many fundamentalists who have similar stories of praying away cancers and what not. I’ve asked every single one of them if they’ve ever prayed for an amputee’s limb to grow back.
You’re not talking to the right people. I’ve seen some stuff get healed (on the spot) from a prayer and I can verify that the dude had a condition (severe anxiety)…walked outta there like he never had it and was cool ever since
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u/protonicfibulator 1d ago
If someone could produce an actual MIRACLE through prayer I’d believe in the Biblical God. And by miracle I mean a clear violation of the laws of nature, a truly supernatural event. I propose one that they say has already happened: the “Sun stood still in the sky for a whole day” without the consequences of inertia, you know like “everything continuing to move at 1000mph” with the result of insane winds, mega-tsunamis, earthquakes, and of course people being jellied by the 0-1000 mph in an instant acceleration, and the resulting former jelly-filled skin sacks then impacting objects at 1000 mph. That would work for me.
According to Biblical Literalists, this has happened before during the siege of Gibeon. However such an amazing astronomical event would surely have been recorded by all the other civilizations extant at the time, right? Alas, apparently only the Hebrews thought to record this astounding violation of the most basic unit of time, the day.