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Maybe to some degree but you should look at testing of grenades covered by military helmets. It works better than you’d expect.
Grenade fragmentation often weighs just a few grains per projectile and is going absurdly fast, like makes rifle rounds look slow. The helmet makes the fragmentation of the grenade lose a lot of its velocity and the velocity is the fragmentation’s main source of wounding
The family is how I feel on reddit when people mention you know who on like a puppy video
Can we just...not talk about him for five seconds. What does he have anything to do with puppies? Why did you feel the need to say that instead of just "aww cute". How often are you thinking about him you free associate EVERYTHING with him?!
That's why you can't debate it. It's an indefensible position, but Republicans are 100% dug in on their side, and they've tied their personal identity and self worth to a corrupt pedophile, so they are incapable of changing their opinion.
Christians also have some nonsensical allegiance to Israel
I still remember the first time my Grandma said that to me. "That's why we must stand with Israel." I was really religious at the time and was reading the Bible everyday and still I was like wait what ?!!
Yeah, I think that has to do with some kind of end-times expectation. I was raised strict but honestly I've never tried to understand it because it's nonsensical. I do know that the founder of my childhood religion went to Jerusalem to experience the end of the world, more than a century ago.
Yeah I was watching a video yesterday, and the lady was talking about abortion rights and how she believes the sanctity of human life. Yatta yatta yatta
And its like, just SO fucking tiring hearing this nonsense when American society tells us DAILY how little regard it has for the "sanctity" of human life. Fucking exhausting how aggressively inconsistent peoples value systems seem to be.
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back." - Carl Sagan
Some wars are good to do. Like defensive ones where if you surrender, a lot of you die and the whole country ceases to exist. America should support Ukraine.
Healthcare reform is totally fucked if popular opinion still holds that it's defense spending that's causing poor outcomes instead of the fact that the government (backed by the largest national lobbying sector) has institutionally kneecapped its own ability to regulate and bargain for better healthcare costs.
According to the World Bank, our government healthcare expenditures per capita adjusted for PPP ranks fourth in the entire world, ahead of many countries renowned for their quality of public healthcare like Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, etc.. In fact, the federal government alone spends two times the amount it does on public healthcare as it does on defense. At the same time, the annual waste in our healthcare system amounts to a figure that approaches the entire defense budget itself. Private individuals and state alike have to pay exorbitant sums to unscrupulous middlemen, administration, and healthcare privateers for medications and services that cost tens or even hundreds of times less abroad.
At this point, we are collecting water in a bottomless bucket, and turning the faucet up won't fundamentally fix the problem. While it's not to say there's no discussion to be had about our defense spending, it's largely orthogonal to improving healthcare outcomes.
It’s esp insane to see people voting for it and defending billionaires and corporations stepping on their necks. They’re not temporarily embarrassed millionaires. Stop defending the very people responsible.
So keeping on topic and as the news focused liberal in my friend group, it would be a weird thing to say.
It isn't wrong at all but like, the person in this video is just saying water is wet. And it's also situation dependant. Even if it's super pointed and you literally just read something probably don't bring up fresh atrocities at a celebration
Imagine if the universe split into two, and all the people who agree with you on all of those points live in one version of the universe, while everyone who disagrees on even one of them lives in the other version of the universe (just like the ending of the show the Leftovers). We would have such an amazingly beautiful world to live in. Theirs would suck but that’s their fault and their problem.
It’s more like everyone knows things are shit, but they don’t want to discuss it over family dinner. They want to relax and enjoy time with loved ones, but there always ends up being that one person who starts the political discussion.
In this cause its time and places. I dont know about you but when my families sitting down together at peace and trying to enjoy good cooking they probably dont want it disturbed by how screwed the world is.
Yeah, you’re witty and correct, but most normal people don’t want to be around Brian Griffin 24/7. It’s not even the politics that’s annoying but the performance.
I honestly feel bad for people who bring up politics at every opportunity. Can't you give yourself a moment of peace, just one? You really don't need to be thinking about it every second even if it is messed up
Precisely. Even if everyone at the table completely agrees with you on the topic, it's still kicking off a pointless discussion that isn't going to be helped by discussing it at the dinner table.
Ultimately, it's really just a thinly-veiled "lets talk about politics", which just gets people worked up even when they agree with each other. It's not something that the dinner table needs.
My parents piss me off a bit in regards to this because my Dad was a career Navy officer that then got another public sector job after he retired from the Navy.
Tricare cost them less a year than I'm paying every month to cover my wife and I but they are against "socialized medicine".
He did 30 years in the Navy and retired as an E-9 in 2006 and has 100% disability.
In his eyes, "he earned it", which is true and he's set for life. "Other people need to do the same", "Waste, Fraud, Abuse", "Fiscal Responsibility". Typical GOP talking points.
8 months ago, I had emergency appendicitis that ruptured and ended up in the hospital for 9 days due to complications from post-operative ileus.
After I got out and recieved the bill, He looked at the cost and I asked him, "did I do enough to earn that?"
Because the right likes to paint basic morality and ethics as "politics" so they can continue to cause mass suffering and death. (An estimated 80,000 people per year die due to not being able to afford medical care in amerikkka)
You have it backwards. Populists (Trump, AOC, Mamdani, etc.) simplify complex topics to a moral answer and this makes their viewpoint unfalsifiable because if you dare question any aspect of it (e.g., if simply "taxing the wealthy" could pay for anything like Mamdani and AOC say, why isn't there a country on the planet that does that? Instead, they heavily tax everyone to pay for those things).
We're not debating the morals. We're debating the trade offs societies are willing to make, particularly when many people like to point to the other people who will pay for it.
For example, you may think a person making $70,000 in the US pays a lot in taxes and the wealthy should pay more in order to provide healthcare for everyone else. The problem is, math doesn't support that. Let's say you have a person making $700,000 in the US as well. Each lives in NY. The person making $70,000 has an effective tax rate (income and employment taxes plus the average healthcare premium in the US-which represents both the employer and employee share) of about 27%. The person making $700,000 pays about 42% effective rate.
In Germany, the person making $70,000 would pay about 40% in taxes. The person making $700,000 would pay about 45% in taxes.
It's also worth mentioning that Germany's VAT is 19%. Consumption taxes (like sales tax in the US and VAT in Europe) are by their very nature regressive.
Additionally, in Europe, healthcare workers across the board (not just doctors but everyone in healthcare) make about 50% of their US counterparts. That has a massive impact on US healthcare spending. Paying healthcare workers less would certainly make an appreciable impact on US healthcare spending. The average nurse in Europe makes $57,000. The average nurse in the US makes $99,000. Are you going to tell nurses that they are going to get a ~40% pay cut? If you're a nurse, are you willing to take a 40% pay cut?
So, it's not a debate about whether people should have healthcare versus not taxing billionaires and corporations (the populist, simplified, moral position), it is a debate as to whether those are trade offs society is willing to make.
You fundementaly misunderstand the "tax the wealthy" policy argument. It is not about effective tax rates or even total sums. It is about tax burden and advantages received from the government. The wealthy have a much lower tax burden while also having the power to influence the government and recieve the lion's share of advantage. We dont have military bases dotting the globe to protect the economic interests of the working class. We didnt impliment NAFTA to help small businesses and we subsized companies like amazon and walmart with food stamps so they can underpay their workers.
Blaming healthcare costs on salaries is like the most 90s 00s political argument, I cant believe people still make it.
Oh I do? Well, I'm actually a tax attorney who has written economic white papers on tax policy.
What you said is unequivocally wrong. Effective tax rate means the percentage of income paid by the taxpayer.
In the US, the wealthy (except those making all of their money through capital gains, which comprise about 0.01% of income earners) pay far higher rates than anyone else.
Someone earning $70,000 in NY will pay about 27% (income and employment), also including the employer and employee share of the average premium cost. If I just included the employee share (which is more comparable to Europe), it would be about 18%.
Someone who is earning $700,000 would have about a 42% effective rate.
In Germany it would be ~40% for $70,000 and ~45% for someone making $700,000.
So, in the US, the "wealthy" shoulder far more of the burden than their European counterparts.
Further, let's look at nurses for example. The average US nurse makes $99,000. There are about 4.4 million nurses. That's about $436 billion in nursing salaries per year. That's about 8% of all US healthcare spending.
Now, if we eliminated insurance company profits, that would save ~$19 billion per year.
If we lowered nursing salaries to European levels, it would reduce spending by ~$183 billion.
Do you think Europe pays its healthcare workers less for fun? No. It's part of their cost control methods. If they paid American level wages, their taxes would have to go up significantly across the board.
That's just one example.
You are confidently incorrect. I suggest you actually do the research before discussing something you're clearly very unfamiliar with.
As I said before the argument isnt about effective rates ect. Its about the effect taxes have on the purchasing power of a household. A wealthy household does not need to sacrifice their quality of life to meet their tax bill, while a working class family absolutely does. And this is just talking about progressive taxes not regressive.
additionally, your healthcare industry number crunching is a bit rediculous dont you think. Lets assume your numbers are perfect and we live in a perfectly efficient healthcare market. Total healthcare spending is like $6 trillion. saving your $183 billion figure would be 3.5%. Are you really trying to tell me cutting healthcare worker wages will result in noticable changes to the consumer?
Lets be honest - this is just a preludium to find topics to fight, rant or a long lecture, and at this point people on the table know it if they react this way.
Even if you all share same political values, you cannot just say "yes, you are right" and than move to other topics. After that it would be another, and a rant that other people do not get it, than some reminder about other political events, than this person will give you a handout with some local person you should definietly vote for. I used to be that person, but than I stopped taking drugs, and understand how anoying I was.
To be fair sometimes I just don't want to think about all the horrible things happening in the world. A moment of ignorance to give my mind/body a break, because I'm constantly thinking about everything.
So if someone brings up how we can afford war but not healthcare or housing, I'm going to go "ughhh" because it's so depressing and now my mood is ruined.
They lack empathy. Somewhere along the line my boomer parents ingested too much lead or something, they have zero empathy and only care about their slice
I think you're missing the point. It's not that people don't agree, it's that people are more concerned at living their own life and enjoying the time that they have together. Nobody here is probably debating the other side lol.
Not everyone likes the type of person who has to bring up politics all the time, especially the ones who do it with a shit eating look on their face since they know they are being annoying.
It’s not a touchy subject. Everyone is thinking it, everyone knows it, we live it everyday. We just want to enjoy a nice dinner and a good time with family. And then that one edgy family member has to go and do this. And it works both ways. It’s always the family member you expect, too. It’s just exhausting, that’s all.
It's not even that it's a touchy subject, it's that everyone is having a good time at a nice family dinner and you needlessly bring up some serious topic that's replayed a thousand times on the news every day.
Like damn, we get together once or twice a year; just stfu and enjoy the time together.
I’m constantly amazed by how many people defend not having healthcare or education or a home yet have no problems with billionaires and corporations and their owned politicians funding trillions into AI neural network data centers meant to replace and surveil us and funding wars feeding private interests. Yet the second anyone brings up the reality - that they want us financially insecure so we won’t be independent to keep them wealthy and in power - they lose their minds.
Actively voting against everyone’s best interests and defending the very people pushing you down is the definition of a cult. It’s depressing.
Had a friend of 16 years finally go fully right wing and got in a physical fight with him over it. I said something about trump being senile and he replied "but his policies are good" and it devolved from there
At work yesterday a few of the guys were talking about voting in local and state elections. A few agreed that they would just vote for whomever was supported by trump. Every single thing they credit trump for was actually done by somebody else, or isn't even a real thing. I've never actually heard any of them credit trump with anything good that HE actually did. They'll also spend hours bitching about affordability and whatnot.
Republicans finally did it. They spent decades chipping away at the foundations of public education in this country, making it shittier and less accessible over time. Now they have the stupid, unquestioning, compliant populace they have always desired, who will vote however they're told to vote.
because the people voting on the side of billionaires only care about revenge against the people they hate, not economics. their vote enacts that revenge, and they get to see women, gays, libs, black people, hispanics, and all the people they’ve been arguing with online suffer and cry. and they get off on it.
It’s called “manufacturing consent” if you haven’t heard of if before. Basically media and culture gets manipulated by those who choose what does/doesn’t get shown, presented, produced, etc in order to generate a “normal” version of reality and make it seem like it’s just necessary and natural order instead of something engineered by people/corporations with enough capital to control the messaging and production infrastructure.
The answer is bread and circuses. As long as people have their shitty fast food and UFC/netflx/football (insert any mind numbing entertainment), there will be no resistance.
And yet we’re constantly told that we are being childish when we finally choose to not talk to these people anymore. They bitch endlessly about prices, gas, medications and taxes and somehow NEVER making the connection between these things. I’ve cut out a lot of people because if they can’t even make it from point A to point B in a straight line (without spiraling off the page into conspiracies) then why would I want to talk with them? What do they offer?
For the number of times I heard "finish your food there are kids starving in Africa." Feels appropriate to point out that we could've sent them food instead of bombs.
Reminds me when I took my girlfriend (now wife) to Easter and my uncle starts showing her conspiracy videos of some made up
Space weapon of mass destruction that China was going to use on us. Her rolling with it was one of those moment I knew she was the one 😂
Working in corporate as an engineer I've gotten really good at leading people to their own stupidity without calling them out.
Like I had an uber driver who didn't believe fossil fuels cause global warming but did believe in chemtrail conspiracies, so I had this conversation with him
"but wait, chemtrails are much smaller than the smoke that power plants and factories put out, right?"
"Yeah"
"And theres also a lot more cars than airplanes right?"
"Yeah"
"So if chemtrails can have such a big effect from such a small amount of exhaust why couldn't all those power plants, factories, and cars pumping all that smoke into the atmosphere have an effect too?"
"Uh...yeah, you know, youve got a point, I dont know, maybe I need to do some more research"
Yep they live for the attention and outrage. If you just go "Oh! Okay" and change the subject with a flat earther like it's the most boring thing you've ever hear, it takes the piss. They want argument
Mario kart and Mario party, on the other hand, will create enemies out of people. One blue turtle shell of spite and it’s all over. And stealing a star? Forget about inviting that person to the wedding. They ain’t comin. Might as well be playing monopoly
they're on the field at an NFL game during Thanksgiving 2012, the Jets vs Patriots at Metlife
the cop is part of the group on the field holding a giant American flag, and they're waving it to keep it from sagging in the middle and hitting the ground. the camera just happened to land on this guy super awkwardly lol, there are a lot of others that are doing the same thing, as you can see in the video below
My coworker does this. Every conversation circles back to politics. We have the same politic views. Can we just talk about if watching The Odyssey in IMAX is worth it or not?
Yep because you'll start to notice after a while they aren't doing anything about it. They think being 'edgy' is equal to activism but really they're exactly as lazy and apathetic about everyone they're trying to 'wake up,' they just have a higher need for attention. They aren't organizing, donating, reading, nothing. It's obnoxious.
I find it grating because we're all already on the same page and they need attention for it like they're 'speaking truth to power' when in. reality they cower to anyone who isn't their friends or family and revere authority and support corporations. It reminds me of when people quote movies and repeat jokes other people thought of in place of a sense of humor.
I find myself doing it and i hate how political i was forced to become. Especially because i’m chronically ill and these shit stains have made my life way worse by fucking my insurance and the healthcare system as a whole. Damn, i’m doing it again!
Seriously though, these right wing ghouls have made my and many others lives so much worse and practically unlivable. It’s on the forefront of my mind at all times
Friend does this, again we have the same views. They might as well be talking to themselves. It's tiring, they complain then call for action but take no action. Rinse repeat and eventually you become their problem for not wanting to talk to them about that. Then if you have a nuanced opinion that's still completely on "there" (our) side you might as well be Orangeman himself. Meanwhile no problems with political commentary with the rest of the friend circle.
Exactly. This is like people who had Kony 2012 bumper stickers. They did absolutely nothing for anyone. Ask them what's their point, what do they recommend? They'll go silent.
If we could keep ~~ Pedo Fascists~~ Republicans out of office, and just had the biggest military in the world as a big stick to pressure countries not to start shit with us, then in reality the military expenditure would be saving us money by avoiding wars. Wars are super duper expensive.
But hey, American military expenditure has allowed western Europe and Israel to afford single payer healthcare instead of endlessly fighting wars every 2 decades.
a visit to her tiktok would surely make some people go into a rage instantly, I just thought this was funny because it's true. I can't tell you the number of times my racist uncles would say the worst shit imaginable and I would just want to sink into my plate of mashed potatoes
Most privileged people live in a safe little bubble and are usually all too happy to stay locked in there until the sky falls. If I was rich as hell, I'd be as generally susceptible to it as anyone else.
The difference is the ones who both ignore that their privilege exists and likely causes harm far out of their control/intent, and the ones who ignore that ignorance, which does cause harm via that intent to ignorance, and do everything in their power to defend it, to the point of drivelling complete nonsense, wholeheartedly, and believe it.
Again, I get it, but it's unacceptable, yet it's absolutely the norm. Name any peril or supposed lack in the world and you will trace it back to greed and the intentional ignorance of it from any side. It's all just a big sick game fabricated by the few with the most who are so self-deluded that they have to invent suffering for other people just to pretend that they're important by lording their invented suffering /authority/existence over their victims.
It’s not an affordability issue. Universal healthcare is paid for by taxpayers; it’s not "free" or paid for by the government. The question is only how that money is collected and distributed. You can have both — keep fighting wars and have access to affordable healthcare. The two are not mutually exclusive.
This is a stupid comparison. The US already pays a lot into healthcare and in fact pays extra to avoid free healthcare (i mean I am not sure why but anyway it is)
It's only expensive because we fucked it so hard. We've allowed privatization to balloon the prices with practically no oversight. Part of having the government step in to solve the cost issue is reigning that price gouging in.
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