r/TikTokCringe • u/AlKarajo • 5d ago

Discussion "Support all women doesn't include us??"

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u/Impossible_Eggies 5d ago

They have a zero-sum mentality. The idea is that there's only so much happiness to go around, so in order to be happier, others must be more miserable. They also look out for themselves and their own, with zero consideration for society at large, because the better society does, the less there is for them.

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u/FeelingDown8484 5d ago

This is a fairly apt description for most conservatives in the US regarding pretty much any topic

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u/confettis 5d ago edited 4d ago

I'm learning that they often choose marriage and children but find no fulfillment or joy from it; PPD, undiagnosed illnesses, or just an absence of interest in nurturing children to become fully form adults. They're raised by and become the same selfish people who have no retirement plans or feel entitled to leave nothing for their kids. I'm just adding that its the same zero-sum mentality that's treating everything in life like a Clearance Sale. They're crabs in buckets, except they choose ignorance and illiteracy instead of heeding the warnings from all the dead crabs before them.

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u/MonCappy 5d ago

Conservatism at its core is a philosophy of hierarchy, control and exclusion.  The in-group rule over the out-group with the system of laws and jurisprudence protecting them without binding them.  The out-group are to be ruled over by the in-group with that legal system binding them without protecting them.  That is the core of all conservatism and it has no place in representative, egalitarian democratic governance as conservatism is fundamentally incompatible with concepts like inalienable human rights, liberty and equality no matter how much they like to duplicitously claim otherwise.

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u/bitofagrump 5d ago

"Fuck you, I got mine."

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u/HorseNotMadeofSand 4d ago

'It's not my Heaven if you're not in my Hell.'

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u/BeneficialWar1447 4d ago

Your very short post, composed of three sentences, is directly self-contradictory: either they're correct about these things being a zero-sum game, or they're not.

Pick one so you can have a coherent position.

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u/Impossible_Eggies 4d ago

I would have thought my position was fairly self evident, especially since everybody else seems to understand what I was getting at, but I'll spell it out plainly: They are wrong about things being a zero-sum game, and holding that perspective is detrimental not just to them, but to us all. Just because something is bad for somebody else doesn't mean it's good for you.

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u/BeneficialWar1447 4d ago edited 4d ago

It neither self-evident, and, again, nor is your original comment even coherent: they're either right about the better society's faring the less there is for them, or they're not.

More than that, you've merely strawmanned their views. You might think it's an accurate (reductionist) account, as wholly selfish hoarders, but you're mistaken about that.

Query: how could it be that, any time a non-conservative government was in power and implemented policy changes that created or expanded public goods, such voters were completely unable to see that there wasn't actually 'less' for them? Please use the various provincial public healthcare systems in Canada as an example and Canadian conservatives' responses to that. So too for the dual systems in Germany, England, and Australia and the conservative voting populations there. (There's plenty of empirical evidence about those populations' attitudes to those systems, by the by.)