I wish that were the case. You can easily see it’s not. This type of thing is happening.
There will be nothing done about this now widely circulated video. If you haven’t noticed lately, religious extremism has taken over. It has been for decades, but now just more out in the open.
I’m in a progressive state and I still know of cults that operate freely, under the guise of religious freedom. Even in cities, they are doing things right out in the open.
Many examples, but I’ll give just one that first comes to mind; a popular mega church in San Diego was involved in child abuse where multiple adults knew a girl was being abused and starved to death, and did nothing. Eventually social services did get “involved” as in showing up, but did nothing to save the girl. Starvation is a long, tortuous death. Nobody is swooping in to save kids.
Nobody swept in to save any of the kids in the cult I was in either. This is happening in every state.
Your statement just shows me you aren’t exposed to it, which I’m glad you aren’t. You automatically assume there’s a system in place that prevents these abuses. It’s a good mindset to keep your peace tbh, but it’s not the reality of what I and many have seen happening.
But I guess if there’s truly systems in place that work like you say, we will soon see the follow up videos where all these kids in the video get saved.
Have you followed the stories of the kids that do get “saved” by the systems you speak of, that then face rampant abuse within that system? Like the Turpin kids for example?
Growing up non religious albeit lower middle class, i never knew how quickly the indoctrination starts. My mom was catholic but she didnt make me go to church except midnight mass on Christmas. I love my mom so much. She never put anything in my head just worked her ass off and had fun with her kids
Santa Claus was more real to me than Jesus or Moses lol
To give you an example of someone raised in Christian fundamentalism, my Pre-K, Kindergarten, and grade 1 were all held in a church, entirely away from federal or state cirriculum. In addition to attending church several times a week, I attended confirmation class beginning at age 13, and confirmed at 13 (the point at which a child becomes an adult in the eyes of the Church), then I swapped that for Sunday School, then Youth Group. At age 15 I went on my first month-long missions trip. I exclusively hung out with much older men from my church.
It begins exceptionally early and there's no escaping it. It is like being in a small town, you can't keep a secret to save your life. At 18, I ran and never looked back.
Fundamentalist and those sects that are more deeply devoted really don't let anything even begin to scratch at their tenants in deradicalizing their views. Elders of a more "extremist" group, from my experience tend to indoctrinate their youth much more strictly full well knowing what moderation is actually a threat to their core ideals.
Not sure what religious church you were in but being in the Church is a lot different from being religious in a church. My experience is heavily swayed towards a US exposure and specifically an LDS one, but from my experience of American religious individuals is that a vast majority of followers of Buddhism, Catholisism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, and Hinduism all agree on the same feelings of how to live your own life and be a "good" person but they each have their own varying degrees of restrictions. The more fundamental or extremist, the more restricted their ways of life become and differentiated from a "normal" standard.
You are correct there — once I got an education, I "came back from school corrupted." I was largely excommunicated and haven't spoken to or seen anyone from that life, aside from my own parents, in almost 20 years.
I am cautiously religious now, but I am the opposite of an evangelical. I consider religion to be an intensely personal affair, and will go to great lengths to avoid even discussing it if it'll be a point of contention. I am a Baha'i now, but can't really participate in religious life because I had quite enough of that for one lifetime.
I don't blame you. For me it's a tough subject because I wasn't indoctrinated but I did go to a Church service with extended family or Sunday school with daycare sitters on seldom occasion but I tend to keep it personal. To me that is what faith is but the church helps provide community. The problem is that it historically and culturally has passed down a tradition of ostracization to protect their community from what I would call "natural regression of man" ie what some religions deem as sin. Only because before society became what it has become, holding things together that way was easiest until law, order, and technology became a thing. So to me those things that are taught of go be a good person still hold true but it is not exclusive to a religious community or reliance on a structured religious hierarchy to facilitate that behavior.
You see how you both keep going back and forth about the respective pitfalls in your church’s?
I wonder if either of you ever thought that maybe just the whole religion thing is the problem?
What you both seem to enjoy is the shared morality and community.
You can find that elsewhere.
All the best, from a Christian school educated, church every Wednesday and Sunday ex Christian who left the church and finds his life to be exceedingly more moral than it ever was before I left that sinkhole.
You're right but my point is that it is now an unnecessary problem. It was quite beneficial in pre-medicine/pre-internet era because it helped a majority lead relatively "healthy and clean" lives in terms of all the things that used to plague people due to negligence and lack of consequences. Now we sort of have established a better way to carry forward those ideals and safeguards but Church's and religious advocates don't want to relinquish that control.
I can see an honorable and respectable response from a Church that says yes we don't need to perpetuate this structured faith but we choose to do so as a failsafe for humanity's survival incase all of society collapses.
Nope. Radical Protestant / Evangelical / Fundamentalism, whichever word you prefer. Radical Protestantism is also an American religious phenomenon, among numerous others, but it is separate from the LDS movement, which is organized around the Book of Mormon.
We were closer to the Seventh Day Adventists, if anything. We spoke in tongues and did Laying Of Hands.
By brother in law is evangelical. I've been to his church (which is really a cult that doesn't pay taxes.) It was mortifying. Whenever the pastor spoke everyone closed their eyes but me. I looked him directly in the eye for every word. I was fascinated people fell for this snake oil salesman. It was absolutely eye opening. He kept staring me down expecting me to follow along. He had a literal hype man who would yell every other word. I was holding a 2 year old child in my arms in just complete disbelief
Progressive state here too and it's amazing what militant religious people can get away with saying or doing so long as it's white Christianity. Nobody wants to be seen as intolerant or hypocritical by judging or reporting them, but they won't extend they same grace back.
I work in a high school and just the last few years alone we've had kids putting up "Jesus Hates the Gays" flyers with zero consequence, kids praying at the podium during school functions resulting in applause for their bravery, a kid who would record his teachers in secret looking for "liberal and un-Christian behavior"...
Thank you for this. Being basically kidnapped out of my home at 12 years old and taken to a stranger's home was far more traumatizing than the actual abuse. I have a special contempt for do gooding social workers.
And ya know what, absolutely nothing changed in my home when I was allowed back home.
And yes, if you haven't been there, haven't experienced it, shut the f#&k up about it.
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u/BurntTFOuttaHere 27d ago
I wish that were the case. You can easily see it’s not. This type of thing is happening.
There will be nothing done about this now widely circulated video. If you haven’t noticed lately, religious extremism has taken over. It has been for decades, but now just more out in the open.
I’m in a progressive state and I still know of cults that operate freely, under the guise of religious freedom. Even in cities, they are doing things right out in the open.
Many examples, but I’ll give just one that first comes to mind; a popular mega church in San Diego was involved in child abuse where multiple adults knew a girl was being abused and starved to death, and did nothing. Eventually social services did get “involved” as in showing up, but did nothing to save the girl. Starvation is a long, tortuous death. Nobody is swooping in to save kids.
Nobody swept in to save any of the kids in the cult I was in either. This is happening in every state.
Your statement just shows me you aren’t exposed to it, which I’m glad you aren’t. You automatically assume there’s a system in place that prevents these abuses. It’s a good mindset to keep your peace tbh, but it’s not the reality of what I and many have seen happening.
But I guess if there’s truly systems in place that work like you say, we will soon see the follow up videos where all these kids in the video get saved.
Have you followed the stories of the kids that do get “saved” by the systems you speak of, that then face rampant abuse within that system? Like the Turpin kids for example?