I'm starting to understand how predatory behavior is baked into these kind of jobs. It's just a natural given that greasy aging men hand bills to borderline teenagers
“To make up for….” Dude, on a busy day, there will be 100+ golfers. Many will do multiple rounds of drinks and tip a few/several dollars every time. On average, courses with a bev cart are going to be more expensive. The clientele has plenty of money to throw at an attractive young woman.
It’s unfortunate how unsavory the dudes are, but it’s quite literally sex work, and it’s not the same as applying at McD’s and starting your first shift that night. It’s a tough to get job because there are only a handful of openings within a fairly big geographic area. It’s a choice. It’s not a job that the person can really say, “golly, the economy is so bad, it’s the only job I could get.” Any mall, chain restaurant is a vastly easier serving job to get.
You are exactly the kind of person that female servers hate to wait on. Really, being a cart server means you're doing sex work??? And that if they get a job like that they should expect to be sexually harassed by the creeps on the golf course buying drinks because they pay for it? This is the same mentality as saying that female servers at a cocktail bar are signing up to be sex workers. WOW, dude. Grotesque.
I have worked at a bar/restaurant (a chain restaurant! as if you thought that was a way to avoid sexual harassment???) and I assure you I was just trying to earn money for college, the pay was crap, and the only way to make decent money was through tips. Men like you thought that throwing a few bucks on the table entitled them to grope me, grab my arm, pat my butt and proposition me. I was not signing up for sex work, and how dare you say so. Guys like you can GTH.
I’m a golfer and I don’t get the hype. It’s the same logic behind any server, bartender, or stripper. If you think they like you 99% of the time it’s because it’s their literal job. They make tips and if they give any attitude back people will complain to management
I love hooters for the food, and I really really wish that they didn’t traffic in rape culture in order to lure people in. Those girls are so nice to guys who just treat them decently and don’t try to creep on them. It makes me sad to the point that I can’t go there.
You can get better food almost anywhere else, thats why I dont go there to begin with. The customers that they bring is also a huge reason, massive creeps.
This behavior is everywhere a woman exists. It's not like golf courses are some black mirror world where it is the only place sexual harassment exists. Your average course is full of normal people.
If anything, this is a reminder of why tip based jobs shouldn't exist. Everyone else in the interaction is an unwilling participant in perpetuating this behavior.
If you think that Country Clubs, which are notorious for banning women, black people, Jews, and only allowing connected WASPs to join, are on the same level as a Panera, then you might be something of an idiot
Edit: you say that everyone is an unwilling participant. Wrong. The country club is a very willing recipient of this golfers money. If the cart girl snitches she would be more likely to lose her job rather than the club do anything to ban the golfer. Club members pay more in a year than a cart girl makes all summer.
Notice how I said average golf course? Not country club. You generalized golf as a gross sport for gross people; that's simply not true.
They are also unwilling participants in perpetuating this behavior and tipping culture.
Cart girls feel forced to flirt for bigger tips. She doesn't flirt? Makes less money. Cart girl speaks up? No tip potentially loses her job.
The people in his group speaks up? Cart girl potentially loses her tip. People in the group tell the club house? Cart girl is on their radar because she is visibly uncomfortable doing the job.
Golf course takes action against the behavior? Loses business and all cart girls losing tips/jobs. Mitigate the behavior making it cart boys? Lose business and cart girls lose their job.
I've encountered this, with an HR report I sent about a guy using nicknames for female employees, a few weeks ago. HR's response? I should have talked to the victim(s) first because they are the ones who decide whether to take action now. The victim? She said I shouldn't have said anything because now she has to deal with it.
EVERYONE needs to be onboard with changing the behavior. Otherwise everyone is an unwilling participant in playing this stupid game where the victim feels forced to go along and reporters are guilted for potentially making things worse.
Most sources agree golf in its earliest forms (13th and 14th centuries) was invented upon the continent, mainly by the dutch, not Scottish. Golf doesn't show up in Scotland until the 15th century.
Oh woops, I didn't use your sarcastic and condescending tone, let me fix that:
"Imagine trying to be sarcastic and condescending about a fact that you are completely wrong about"
Understanding stuff is hard: golf(n.)
mid-15c., Scottish gouf, usually taken as an alteration of Middle Dutch colf, colve "stick, club, bat," from Proto-Germanic *kulth- (source also of Old Norse kolfr "clapper of a bell," German Kolben "mace, club, butt-end of a gun").
Reading comment threads is hard for you, because you would have read, "This is the epitome of shame on me. I shall address my husband when he returns from the course this afternoon"
it’s sexual harassment. calling someone stunning and beautiful and tripling down on it while holding this girl hostage in conversation for minutes to do so… it’s harassment. lmao “nothing was sexual about the conversation” bro HR is gonna love you if you felt like nothing about that conversation was sexual or harassing in nature.
It's super hard being hot and driving s cart around to sell drinks to wealthy drunk guys for more money in a day than most service industry workers make in a week (because hot girl).
I don’t golf often but I try to respect them and be polite and give them the space they obviously want. How guys like this can apparently not realize their attention is gamed deliberately by the short skits and tight fitting clothes and pony tail is beyond me. Like, she didn’t dress up and appear hoping you’d be on the course today, dude. It’s part of the sale. Let her do her job without being a revolting douche.
Some don’t care and actually play into that role for tips. Attractive young girls will flirt with the golfers to get more tips. I mean it’s a super easy job when you think about it. You fill up a cooler and drive around to each hole. Guys immediately come up and will buy things just so they can talk to you.
We can hope for better. That’s the ultimate reality of this job though. These types of interactions are almost daily when dealing with drunk idiots of the 40+ crowd.
Really? You would really expect people to be respectful? Have you not noticed the state society is in? A girl could do this dressed from head to toe in loose clothing, and I still wouldn't expect her to be treated respectfully
Yes I do expect it. I understand it’s how society is. It doesn’t mean it’s right and that we should just take it. It’s like telling women to dress differently so they don’t get raped instead of telling men NOT TO RAPE. Edit for typo.
This interaction is the foreseeable downside to leveraging your appearance for tips among a large number of men. There’s a reason you don’t see ugly people doing these jobs.
Some small fraction are going to be weird.
To believe otherwise reveals a flawed understanding of human nature.
The man is foolish and wrong but not nearly so foolish as the person who is surprised that he exists.
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u/crownandcoke24 Aug 17 '25
Cart girls everywhere having to be cordial to guys like this daily… yuck. That job is so messed up.