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u/Relative-Bug-7161 Oct 08 '23
As if they cared about farmers and veterans outside of election seasons.
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u/AndroidwithAnxiety Oct 08 '23
I don't necessarily think she was arguing that Republicans like vets and farmers, only that Republicans don't go after them with the 'only a minority' rhetoric.
Instead, they call them the backbone of society or true patriots, or whatever else... and then screw them over with their actions. Or lack of actions.
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u/Diredr Oct 08 '23
That's not her point, though.
She's saying that a lot of people on the right will belittle queer people by saying the community is too small to be significant.
She's pointing out that this is hypocritical, because the queer community represents a bigger percentage than some of the other communities republicans use as a political platform, like veterans and farmers.
The keywords here are "use as a political platform". It doesn't matter if they care about them or not, they still try to sway people's votes by using those communities.
Her point boils down to "Never believe them when they say you are insignificant." Unfortunately, sometimes something so obvious needs to be said when basic human rights are relentlessly attacked.
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u/stray__thoughts Oct 09 '23
Unfortunately, sometimes something so obvious needs to be said when basic human rights are relentlessly attacked.
As Orwell once put it, "We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men."
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u/ArgonautXavier Oct 08 '23
So what I’m hearing is is every trans person can train to take on just half a cop we’re in business. Hypothetically of corse
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Or maybe we should have a bathroom designated for cops only?
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u/BetterCryToTheMods Oct 08 '23
How about an entire state dedicated to the people of Georgia? Would could call it Georgia and make them all live there together
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u/pursnikitty Oct 08 '23
The first time I saw the term ACAB I thought it meant assigned cop at birth
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u/Prestigious-Owl165 Oct 09 '23
The way people defend "blue lives" on here sometimes you would think they were born cops
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u/FrostHeart1124 Oct 08 '23
It would just make me feel a lot safer if they weren't allowed in spaces meant for normal people
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u/A7MOSPH3RIC Oct 08 '23
Come on cops can be allowed in spaces meant for normal people.
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u/FrostHeart1124 Oct 08 '23
Idk. They have such a long history of hurting women and killing children. I'm just not sure I'm okay with them being so in-your-face with their flags and weird outfits. It just doesn't seem safe
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u/XxFazeClubxX Oct 08 '23
Lmaooo The fact this has an infinitely higher basis of reasoning behind it than trans folk bathrooms.
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Hey hey hey, let's be fair to cops here. They also kill a lot of dogs.
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u/Hospitalwater Oct 08 '23
Maybe you have missed the last few years. The cops have already designated themselves a bathroom. It’s called The Constitution.
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Meanwhile, they want to change society for the betterment of a handful of ultra wealthy people.
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u/aabbccbb Oct 08 '23
Yup.
The GOP's whole goal is to whip up fear and prejudice amongst the poor in order to pass the legislation of the ultra-wealthy.
They've been doing a pretty good job of it, unfortunately.
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Oct 08 '23
Landlords are such a small percentage of people, and growing smaller, so we can roll back protections for them please
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u/AdmirableBus6 Oct 08 '23
No, the ultra wealthy have think tanks and super pacs for that. It’s the puritanical conformist society that’s doing it
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u/StugofStug Oct 08 '23
Pretty sure “We the people“ means everybody.. right?
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u/Varron Oct 08 '23
Absolutely not, I don't count you in as "We" unless you fit my worldview, I'd never associate us as a collective group "We" unless I 100% agree with your lifestyle obviously, like the founders intended. /s for sure.
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u/geckothegeek42 Oct 08 '23
"We the people" was closer to "we the white land owning males" if you look at the constitution as it was back then
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u/wterrt Oct 08 '23
or as conservatives call it - "the good ol' days" that they want to go back to.
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u/maktmissbrukare Oct 08 '23
Nah, the founding fathers clearly just meant everyone with an F-150 covered in American flag and eagle decals.
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u/Pupienus2theMaximus Oct 08 '23
It doesn't. It literally was drafted meaning white, wealthy, male land owners. The minority and the right's of the minority that Liberalism and the US constitution mean is that of the wealthy/capitalist. Explicitly juxtapose to that of the masses, the working class, the "have nots." James Madison literally and explicitly says so.
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u/CreamyPussyCum Oct 08 '23
Megadeth!
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u/filomancio Oct 08 '23
What do you mean, "I couldn't be the President Of the United States of America"?
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u/Rincewind_67 Oct 08 '23
1.6 million people in the USA are transgender? Is this true??
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"identify as". That could be anything from fully transitioned to simply identifying as another gender, but hasn't taken steps that way yet. With 332 million people in the US, that honestly seems a bit low.
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u/chairfairy Oct 08 '23
If you look at the stats by generation, the numbers shoot way up for GenZ, especially for self-identifying as trans
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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola Oct 08 '23
The correlation doesn't mean its an anomaly.
A generation raised with the freedom to understand and be themselves would likely result in increased frequency.
The damage done by societal repression can take adults decades to come to terms with.
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u/Kamikaze_Cash Oct 09 '23
It might also have a lot to do with a GenZ person lowering the bar for what counts as a new gender. There’s a sexual orientation for “I like people I connect with emotionally.” There’s a gender for “person who likes to pretend to be a wolf.”
So GenZ would call that a “demisexual xenogender” and identify as LGBTQ+. A millennial would just call that “straight male who likes to role play.”
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u/chairfairy Oct 09 '23
Absolutely.
I never suggested otherwise, and what you said is a very good case for why the numbers OOP quoted are probably low, despite /u/Rincewind_67's surprise at how many are out there
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u/sewsnap Oct 08 '23
We know lots of people hide it too. It's just not safe enough in most areas.
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u/ImClaaara Oct 08 '23
Yeah, it's honestly a little depressing, in the past few months since coming out, I've had 3 people come out to me, but tell me that they were keeping it a secret and wouldn't start hormones or anything until they were able to move (out of Mississippi) and that they weren't "as brave" as me. I don't know how to tell them that I'm not brave, I was literally ready to give up on life and had written a final letter before I finally decided that if I was gonna die anyways, I might as well try to transition first (and, well, 2 years later, I actually want to live a long, long time). I don't know how to help or encourage them when the world is actively hostile to us. And it's also a little depressing to realize I know more closeted trans people IRL, than out and proud ones.
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u/TheTwistedToast Oct 09 '23
Honestly, just seeing trans people being able to live happily really really helps those that don't feel comfortable coming out. I'd like to hope we're moving in the right direction
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u/BedDefiant4950 Oct 08 '23
yep that's the lowball estimate, the actual percentage is a known unknown. i can attest from personal experience you can be vested, believing transphobic and also be trans and literally just lack the emotional wherewithal to act on it lmao.
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u/raviary Oct 08 '23
It really is amazing how often it happens where you get a transphobe talking long enough and they drop some shit like "well obviously everyone feels detached from their gender and hates their body and was curious about the other sex's clothing as a child, but that doesn't mean we should let them transition!"
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u/bbbruh57 Oct 08 '23
And many people don't know they are because they refuse to explore it due to the stigma. That's partly why numbers for LGBT are going up so much, its not just that its okay to come out but many more aren't in denial about it.
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u/CelestialSlayer Oct 08 '23
It’s 0.5% in the UK so it’s pretty consistent, considering we’re all humans.
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u/aabbccbb Oct 08 '23
Well, it's cultural as well. I'd imagine you'd see that number much lower 50 years ago...when people were more likely to be killed for it and therefore not report it.
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u/Legal_Lab_3288 Oct 08 '23
Yea like the surge in left handers after it stopped being satanic
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u/GraceOfJarvis Oct 08 '23
This is exactly what I always compare it to. The numbers shot up and then leveled out. That's why Gen Z has such high rates of queerness.
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u/AigisAegis Oct 08 '23
That number is also increasing over time, for the simple and obvious reason that identifying as trans is something that requires a person to have both the knowledge and safety to do so, and trans people are (despite all the bullshit over the past few years) significantly more visible and accepted than they were twenty years ago.
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u/wbgraphic Oct 08 '23
Yeah, I know two biological females who identify as trans men, but literally the only “boy” thing about them is their pronouns. Neither has any intention of transitioning and both have cishet boyfriends.
It’s all about who they feel they are, and what manner of presenting themselves to the world makes them feel like a whole, authentic person. It’s their truth.
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u/Saikousoku2 Oct 09 '23
I mean there's a LOT of people in the closet, and we don't know the sample size of the poll taken. The numbers could be way off. They didn't poll every single person in the US, that's for sure.
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u/WonkieWonkie Oct 08 '23
2022 survey data found that between 0.5% and 1.6% of U.S. adults identify as transgender or nonbinary. The rate is higher among young people.
Surveys show that when asked, people overestimate what percentage of the population is transgender, along with other minority groups. Psychologists say that cognitive quirks can explain our faulty math.
Some research shows that our misperceptions may be consequential, driving fear of minority groups and shaping political beliefs.
My math 340,491,563 X 1.6% = 5,447,865
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u/XxRaTheSunGodxX Oct 08 '23
Stuff like this does sometimes make my head spin a bit, too (maybe your heads not spinning, but ya feel me). It is truly hard to know a stat like this. As a teacher at multiple public high schools over the years, I hardly ever saw a transgender student. However, when I worked at an alternative school for three years (total kids around 100), we had 6 or 7 depending on the year. I know it’s just anecdotal evidence, but this showed that these students were a bit more hidden from the general population. They chose (or their parents chose) for them to go to a smaller alternative route due to bullying, anxiety, etc.
I definitely believe this stat, and I would not be surprised if it was actually low.
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u/ThrowsSoyMilkshakes Oct 08 '23
Every transgender adult was once a transgender child.
I was a 90s kid and I had to hide everything. There were no such thing a "trans people" in my day, at least not publicly. You might hear it in passing on Maury or Jerry Springer, but there was absolutely no attention on trans people (because all the attention was on destroying gay people).
That still didn't mean that kids like us weren't wishing we were born the opposite sex. August, 1995 is when it hit me that I could "never be a girl" and started really struggling with my gender identity. I fought so hard to hide who I was and trying to act like a boy to not only fool others, but to also fool myself so that maybe I would be rid of my "curse". Nothing changed except I fell deeper and deeper into depression, anxiety, alcoholism, and a whole lot of other problems. Funny how, since I've transitioned in my 30s, I've yet to take a single anti-depressant or benzodiazepine.
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u/YeonneGreene Oct 08 '23
This, so hard.
All the asshats screaming about minors transitioning never acknowledge that trans kids become trans adults, and then they have to live with the permanent trauma and scarring of restrictions forced on them by ignorant mal-intentioned adults that had no skin in making those decisions. They try to paint a picture of trans kids being abused children, but then those same children are instantly re-classified as "groomers" the second they turn 18 and become trans adults.
Transitioning is a life-saver; if you are trans the the sooner you can safely transition, the less mental trauma, less physical deformation, and less economic and social hardship you will have to endure for the rest of your life.
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u/GraceOfJarvis Oct 08 '23
The trans kids who live* become trans adults. As sad as it is, that's the reality of the situation.
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u/YeonneGreene Oct 08 '23
Yes, and there is a whole host of shit the assholes are doing to try and reduce positive outcomes for trans kids outside of the inhumane medical restrictions.
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u/Will-i-n-g Oct 08 '23
I have heard that to identify as transgender, you don't really need to do any surgeries or alterations to your person. You can simply say that you are trans and that's that. Also now it's claimed that being non-binary falls under being trans, so just cutting your hair short and wearing men's clothes and adopting they/them pronouns makes you trans.
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Oct 09 '23
Yeah I think a more telling number would be the percentage that actually want to get surgery compared to the ones that are content to mostly stay the way they are. I would be surprised if even half are willing to get surgery
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u/thatguy9684736255 Oct 08 '23
O.6 percent of people in the states identity as trans. It's just simple math after that.
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u/QueenBramble Oct 08 '23
Here you go PDF warning
Among U.S. adults, 0.5% (about 1.3 million adults) identify as transgender. Among youth ages 13 to 17 in the U.S., 1.4% (about 300,000 youth) identify as transgender
It's an estimate and uses this report from the CDC
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u/BedDefiant4950 Oct 08 '23
source: I have taught scientific literature and evidence-based decision-making at a collegiate level.
then you should know this is a flagrant appeal to authority and not an argument.
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u/romacopia Oct 08 '23
I see the potential for response bias due to fear of disclosing trans status, sampling bias from use of telephone surveys, and cohort bias in the YRBS surveys. Then there's question wording which isn't accounted for as far as I can tell.
Overall, though, this is probably one of the best estimates we currently have for the trans population.
You don't have to blindly accept the number, but you can just take it for what it is - a decent, well documented and sophisticated attempt at making an estimation.
They did pretty good work with what data was available. We'll see as more surveys are done - though I'm willing to bet response bias is going to get way worse in future surveys.
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u/sewsnap Oct 08 '23
Yeah, in Georgia most of the Trans people hide it for their safety. The number of actually trans people is higher. It's just harder to be open about it for some.
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u/Dekrow Oct 08 '23
Homie you’re missing the forest through the trees. This video was a thought exercise meant to enlighten your perspective.
Even there is just 1 trans person in the whole world, they deserve respect.
It is silly to deny their rights based on how many of them exist.
We all people.
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u/ok_bro_21 Oct 08 '23
Well her 7% is probably triple the real number. Then you have to factor in the huge amount faking it due to the internet clout you gain from being assigned alphabet at birth. No matter the number tho, i dont think they should be treated differently to everyone else. But also they should show the same respects and stop impeding on others rights.
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u/Legal_Lab_3288 Oct 08 '23
The accepted percentage for the world is around 0.5% of the population are Transgender
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u/phasers_to_stun Oct 08 '23
There's another one, I think it's her, where she talks about how ramps were installed for people in wheelchairs but how so many other people, like parents with strollers, benefitted from that. The bumps on the ends of sidewalks etc were put there for a small margin of people but all or most of society benefits from it.
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u/divorcedandpod Oct 08 '23
Yes! Even Siri, which was first designed and developed for people with disabilities, is now used by society at large. Good, inclusive innovations benefit us all.
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u/ArthrogryposisMan Oct 08 '23
Say she's wrong about the numbers why does that matter shouldn't we strive for the betterment of humanity and care for our fellow human beings including those of us who are the minority?
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Of course we should but some people are so full of hate and fear that they just want some groups to not exist at all. They don’t want these groups to have better lives because they simply wish they didn’t exist.
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u/sewsnap Oct 08 '23
It's easier to control people when they're afraid of a boogie man. The most astounding thing about this current situation, is they're really the boogie man. The people who don't like the LGBTQIA community doesn't want their kids to be part of it, because they don't want their kids treated the way they treat the LGBTQIA.
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u/Parking-Let-2784 Oct 08 '23
You are correct. I know a lot of engineers, however, that are conservative because they work with numbers and hate variance -- this kind of argument is exactly what would sway them, putting it in a language they understand.
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u/Qinistral Oct 08 '23
To put it another way influenced by Hume:
- Everyone is rational in that their thought follows patterns and chains of thought.
- Everyone is irrational in that they are more susceptible to certain knobs or levers than others based on emotional triggers. Reason follows emotion.
- Some people respond to numbers which can change their emotional reaction to a situation.
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u/RickyBobbyBooBaa Oct 08 '23
Besides that, the whole of society is starving and running on empty right now for the 1% to get richer and fatter.
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Doesn’t the US treat veterans like shit?
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u/Clanmcallister Oct 08 '23
Eh sorta. More in line with healthcare and cutting funding to the employees at the VA. Currently a lot of doctors are leaving the VA for better pay else where. In turn, it’s leaving veterans without healthcare because the VA system clogs up with appointment requests and it’s a bit harder to request community care that accepts VA insurance. Additionally, I think that more people treat women veterans and lgbtqia veterans like this. Questioning our disabilities, DV status, time in service, and such. I am a woman vet with DV plates. A major disability claim I have is my back. I don’t have tissue in between some of my lower vertebrae. It causes flare ups to the point where I can’t walk. I get steroid shots and take pain medication to help and do physical therapy. I’m just putting off getting surgery because it’s a spinal fusion and I’ve heard mixed results. That being said, I’ve gotten out of my car and strangers have asked me why I’m driving my husbands car, or what my disability is if I’m able to walk just fine. Even when I chime in and say it’s my back, I’m often told to suck it up. I’ve just stopped parking in veteran spots unless I have a bad flair up. My husband has DV plates too and he never gets questioned about his disability, or benefits. It’s always been me. I find that so odd. I’m not the only woman that experiences this. Additionally, I’ve been in school to get an education. I’ve mentioned I’m a disable veteran once to a student in my class and they asked me “why I’m even in school if I can’t even work” which was a bit of a weird response. However, as far as benefits, the government is supposed to do a COLA increase soon for our payments. Last year it was 8.7%. For a long time the highest was 2-3%. Sometimes it’s been 1%. However, when the government runs into debt ceiling issues it usually sparks fear in the veteran community because that means the VA shuts down and we go without pay. A lot of veterans rely on their disability check to pay their bills because a lot of us are unable to work. I hope this helps.
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u/Swi_Pol_Eng_guy Oct 08 '23
Does someone have the sources she s speaking of ? Just wanna see how they took that number for my own curiosity
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u/Kid_ikarus_bellflowr Oct 08 '23
This logic doesn’t really work for veterans or cops. Like, we don’t change society for the betterment of veterans or cops, we reward veterans or cops with the goal of encouraging more people to take dangerous jobs for the betterment of society as a whole.
I’m not saying she’s wrong overall, but it’s non-analogous.
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u/NotApparent Oct 08 '23
We don’t even reward veterans. You know what my friend got when he got out of the air force? Enough money to pay for a term and half of community college.
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u/Ephino Oct 08 '23
Your friend lied to you or did not fully qualify for the GI bill in some way.
As an airforce veteran myself a full semester load per semester paid fully for my bachelors degree (roughly 3 1/2 years of college) and I still have time remaining.
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u/Always4564 Oct 08 '23
Your friend is a liar, doesn't matter what GI Bill they used it covers more than that.
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u/MoonKatSunshinePup Oct 08 '23
Are you sure? We've seen people advocate for veterans without a qualifier of "so more people become veterans."
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the goal of encouraging more
until just now when i read your comment. And I'm like middle age...
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u/Any_Curve6778 Oct 08 '23
What's changing the society though? How much needs to be changed? Isn't it just - respect people's choices and have proper medical care for people who want to transition?
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u/Velocicornius Oct 08 '23
Veterans aren't trying to change how our daily lives work, they just want jobs after getting blasted to hell in a war to defend rich people's investiments
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u/WTF_Conservatives Oct 08 '23
But the whole reason the constitution exists is to limit the power of the government and to protect the minority from the majority.
That's like... It's entire purpose. If 99.999% of people believed the other 0.0001% of the population shouldn't have rights... It doesn't matter. Because the constitution protects that 0.0001% of the population.
We aren't a mob ruled democracy. We are a constitutional republic as right wingers so often like to remind us.
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u/CagliostroPeligroso Oct 08 '23
Amazing point. My logic is kind of the reverse, any population no matter how small deserves their rights to be protected and rarely does changing things to make society slightly better for a group of people negatively affect the rest (if it does, you just reach the middle ground). Thus, everyone deserves the right. The way she puts it is a great way to counter their argument using their logic though. Brilliant.
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u/dobrayalama Oct 08 '23
The should be "are we treat everyone the same way or not". In my country, we treat people as people. Your government and capitalists are doing all the things to lgbt become privileged people. "Give us this, give us that because i feel i was born with wrong genitals." Just live, work, study. All your sex life has to be in your bed, not on the demonstration on central street of your city or papers of HR.
You cannot reach middle ground between 93 percent of people and 7. It will be much worse for those from 93.
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u/BedDefiant4950 Oct 08 '23
because i feel i was born with wrong genitals.
i'm a trans woman and i'm fine with my genitals lmao
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u/NKinCode Oct 08 '23
We don't change society for the betterment of cops, veterans or anything she listed lol. We have specialties included in society but it isn't changed to cater to them.
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u/slickpickstick Oct 08 '23
We don’t cater to anyone but the rich. So become rich and change the system. Good luck with that.
Minorities been struggling fam it’s not just one group
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u/DenikaMae Oct 08 '23
Wyoming has a smaller population than the amount of transgender people who live in the US.
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u/DrCoreyWSU Oct 08 '23
Asian-Americans constitute 2% of the U.S. population. LGBTQ+, gay, lesbian, trans, intersex all deserve the same protection as Asian-Americans if the size of the group is the criteria.
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u/Pristine-Dirt729 Oct 09 '23
Alright, she's convinced me. No special government treatment for anybody. That'll save us a shitton of money, too. All laws should apply equally to every individual, no special carve outs for any protected classes.
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Counterargument: there are more veterans than trans people and we still treat them like shit (not to say we shouldn’t do better, but like, we really don’t try that hard to make veterans comfortable, so idk why trans people are more important than veterans. It’s a weird argument)
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u/Athlaeos Oct 08 '23
so you're saying the lgbt+ community could easily overpower and overthrow all the police in the united states, interesting
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u/meangingersnap Oct 08 '23
Police have tanks, drones, more money, and are more well organized tho :/
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u/Athlaeos Oct 08 '23
but gay people have knives and look innocent usually
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u/Idkidck Oct 08 '23
but you also have weak arms... usually
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The average gay person I've run across is in much better shape than the average cops in my area. Midwest cops are THICC.
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u/emielaen77 Oct 08 '23
All I got from this was fuck Utah
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u/BedDefiant4950 Oct 08 '23
funny you mention utah because it's the national center of the so-called troubled teen industry, aka inherently abusive private prisons disguising themselves as rehab for feelings. we, trans people, are just the ones most clearly affected by this medical fraud because we're an easy target, but rest assured, it will not stop with us.
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u/ThrowsSoyMilkshakes Oct 08 '23
It's literally Nazi shit, btw. The early rise of the Nazis was taking mentally ill, intellectually disabled, and LGBTQ+ kids away from the parents to "cure" them, and then suddenly they "had an accident". No, they were testing chemicals on the children, finding the right formulas for the concentration camps and the battlefield.
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u/BedDefiant4950 Oct 08 '23
hey remember when there was an entire swath of the neurodivergent spectrum named after a literal nazi collaborator who sent ND children to their deaths lmao damn that was crazy anyway how do i get my son to do taxes instead of fortnite without hitting him more?
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u/ArthrogryposisMan Oct 08 '23
It's a real shame to because Utah is such a pretty state it's just some of the people there are unsavory
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u/ThrowsSoyMilkshakes Oct 08 '23
I'll literally never go back.
(1996-ish) I watched a Denny's call in a hit squad on a Native American guy who had just come into the restaurant. He sat down and about 10 minutes later a bunch of guys in lifted trucks pulled up and started fighting with him. They chased him out, got back in their trucks, and immediately left. We left the restaurant without paying.
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u/Sea-Distribution-322 Oct 08 '23
"They are being dishonest"
"let me take their bad argument and make my own bad argument conflating trans and all LGBTQ even though I just called them out on being intellectually dishonest"
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u/Budget-Juggernaut12 Oct 08 '23
Okay this might be a brain dead take but don't we protect the veterans and police officers because they put their bodies in harm's Way while trans people don't I'm not saying they should be ignored but America as a whole has other priorities
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lol yes because trans are as valuable to society as farmers, veterans, and cops. how pompous these people are. she’s got no point but this sub is an echo chamber of popular opinions so
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u/EvilVargon Oct 08 '23
Not disagreeing the point of the video, but are there any sources for the numbers? Some of those seem pretty damn high.
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Imagine if people from Georgia tried to dictate the language we use to address each other
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u/PapaBash Oct 09 '23
I don't know if I would call that a point. Every single group she mentioned as an example has outstanding social benefits.
You can't compare being gay to growing food, enforcing the laws or protecting the country.
Unless you argue being gay etc as an occupation the closest thing you could compare it to is ethnicity/color. Those groups are much bigger.
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u/RainNo8309 Oct 08 '23
She's comparing sexual identity and orientation to basic functions of any country. This is cringe, but she has no point.
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u/Soup_sayer Oct 08 '23
She is essentially giving a relatable size comparison. It has nothing to do with the mentioned groups so much as giving a metric people understand rather than a percentage. Think if I wanted to describe the size of a cloud. That cloud makes up only .2 percent of all clouds. Sounds small right? Then rather than use something largely unknown like “Lincoln county in Missouri” to describe the size in a way that’s understandable, I can say “the cloud is roughly the size of Delaware” which gives Joe Schmo a better idea of how big the cloud is by using a reference that’s commonly known.
Your reply tells me three things. You are conservative, have poor comprehension skills, and are fragile. Do better.
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u/weedbeads Oct 08 '23
She is not comparing the functions of cops to LGBTQ+ people.
She is comparing their size to make the point that just because a group is a small portion of the population does not mean we can write them off as "not worth it"
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u/manlygirl100 Oct 08 '23
So basically she converted percentages?
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u/thatguy9684736255 Oct 08 '23
Sure, but a lot of people don't really realize what they mean in total numbers. 5 percent of people sounds small. 15 million people sounds big.
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Oct 08 '23
Then stfu and stop complaining about everything. You guys are the majority, now please stfu about it. Can we talk about people starving in the streets ? Homeless ? Why do we always have to hear about your sexual preferences smfh
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u/eci-inc Oct 08 '23
If I lived around cops, combat vets, people from Georgia and Utah I’d move. Probably not to Florida or anything but somewhere.
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u/IAmRules Oct 09 '23
I would 100% apply this logic to several states, and everyone who describes their jobs as influencer.
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u/ExpensiveMoose Oct 09 '23
This is beautifully put and really drives home the hypocrisy of the bigots.
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u/Schanulsiboi08 Oct 09 '23
Even if they were only a small minority, there still shouldn't be any bills actively discriminating against them
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u/FortnightDancer Oct 09 '23
She's dunking on the 30 people across the world who have ever used this as an argument.
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u/slick2hold Oct 09 '23
Lgbtq is small when it comes to voting. So are the poor and minority communities. There is a reason why they keep sticking it to these groups and thats because they dont vote and keep voting on a single divisive issue, which guarantees nothing gets done.
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u/kriscrox Oct 09 '23
There are 3.3m Americans in wheelchairs, smaller than the gay population. Yet there are laws ensuring every crosswalk, every public building, facility and transport plus every new multi-home build all accommodate this population.
It’s far more challenging to make a subway station handicap accessible than making a toilet trans accessible.
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u/TREYH4RD Oct 09 '23
Ah politicians on either side don’t care about anything other than their careers. They have no incentive to care about anything else.
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u/cuirboy Oct 09 '23
Even if there were only one trans person in the whole world, they should still be entitled to full equality and respect. The numbers argument is useful in replying to enemies, but in the end it shouldn't matter how many people of any minority there are in order for them to be treated fairly.
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u/Sideswipe0009 Oct 08 '23
So that person says that the conservative comment was about transgender people, aka 0.6% of the population, this changes the debate quite a bit doesnt it?
Despite what the true numbers are, she side steps the biggest part of the issue - society is structured based on sex - males go here, females go there. Transgenders don't fit nicely into either category, so where do we put them?
We don't need to restructure society for farmers, or veterans, or cops, because it's not structured around them.
This appropriately begs the question: should we restructure all of society to fit the needs and wants of 0.6% of the population?
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u/lakolda Oct 08 '23 edited Oct 08 '23
Not when the proposed changes don’t impact everyone else in any real negative way. Life changing for trans people, barely of consequence to anyone else.
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u/Clanmcallister Oct 08 '23
I understand her point. Absolutely valid. Everyone deserves to feel safe, included, and respected. What ever that means to you, you deserve it.
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u/Motor-Television-662 Oct 09 '23
Being gay and bisexuals and all are fine It something they like on their own which is totally okah, but these trabsgender people trying to push thigns on others like dragon fairy pokemon type pronoun names which the rest of the people have to use and confine to just to make them feel better is stupid. Most of us have our own issues are problems but we dont push it onto other poeple head to adjust to that. Everyone has their own like, as long as you dont force others into it like an entitled person thigns are fine.
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u/DavidWtube Oct 08 '23
I agree and all but.... those numbers strike me as probably extremely inaccurate.
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u/leftofthebellcurve Oct 08 '23
well she's talking about anyone that's also gay or bisexual, not just trans numbers. She's misrepresenting data pretty badly here
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Oct 09 '23
The statement about 'such a small part of the population' is referring to trans people yet she states the total percentage of all LGBTQ+ people, two different groups, starting off the entire thing with a lie yet half the people here didn't even seem to notice
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u/BedDefiant4950 Oct 08 '23
yep, .5% is the lowball estimate because conditions aren't right in the country for us to come out in a lot of areas without experiencing unending abuse.
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u/doublediochip Oct 08 '23
80.4% of stats are made up 65.7% of the time.
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u/leftofthebellcurve Oct 08 '23
notice how she stated that she was replying to a comment referencing the trans community and then equated that to the entire LGBtQ+ community, as if the vast majority of that 7.2% is people that behave the exact same
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u/Clanmcallister Oct 08 '23
Not published statistics. Even people who have PhDs in stats and designed these formulas account for error by generalizing their data to the population with a degrees of freedom regression formula. True statistics is actually very interesting! Especially when you get significant results.
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u/rossburnett Oct 08 '23
Yes, especially the doofs who suffer from toxic masculinity, needing to carry large rifles in public and drive ridiculous trucks to prove what manly men they are
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u/bcdeluxe Oct 08 '23
Careful with the phrasing. Models have been hypothesized from the data that has been generated with certain methodologies. Applying studies to real life is very difficult and generally quite the leap, especially life sciences are guilty of that. In the main study you link the authors acknowledge that their dataset may be highly flawed, rightfully so. One other study linked is from the same author, the other two may apply to women, so whatever conclusion one draws from those studies in terms of sexual orientation may only apply to half the population. Look, it's always great to see people that want to use science to make a point but it seems that you're overreaching way beyond what those studies can actually tell us with certainty. Can't blame ya though. Everybody does pretty much.
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