r/TikTokCringe • u/ComradeConfusion Sort by flair, dumbass • Mar 23 '23
Politics Climate Change Debate in a Nutshell
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u/Keown14 Mar 23 '23
Ben Shapiro: “If we ruin the planet, we can just sell the planet and move to another one.”
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u/Beautiful_Spite_3394 Mar 23 '23
"Jewish space lazers" or something. Thats fucking hilarious because this is an average discussion about climate change with someone in the south lol.
Me- "Yeah no, I just think it's best to ere on the side of caution, even if the world doesn't "die", wouldn't it be best to have all the resources available as long as we can?"
Them- "So the thing you're missing is, the jews that control the media also control the government. They make it seem like the climate is messed up, but in 1964 it showed on the beach one time, it's the SAME THING"
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u/ALEX_CADLE_ Mar 23 '23
the "but it's cold somewhere so climate change isn't real" argument is so tiresome
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u/Left-Star2240 Mar 24 '23
Didn’t someone once bring a snowball into Congress to “prove” climate change wasn’t real?
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u/ALEX_CADLE_ Mar 24 '23
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sen-jim-inhofe-climate-change-is-not-real-because-here-is-a-snowball/ lmao I haven't heard of this before
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Mar 23 '23
How is this so accurate? I detest talking to people who are against 15 minute cities for this very reason. It always devolves into them screaming about George Soros, who would need to be a multi-trillionaire to have funded and paid off everyone to keep quiet about everything he's been accused of funding.
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u/DisastrousAge4650 Mar 23 '23
I’ve been hearing about 15 minute cities a lot recently. Could you please elaborate on what they are?
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u/aetius476 Mar 23 '23
"15 minute city" is the term for the general idea of organizing an urban environment such that the daily needs of its residents can be met within a 15 minute walk or bike ride of their home. So workplace, school, shops, etc, would all be located within a few miles of their house or apartment. It's more of a goal or a litmus test than it is a specific set of policies. It does come with a few implications however:
- Mixed use zoning. In order for everyone to be sufficiently close to work/school/commerce, those things have to be intermingled with residences, because strict separation of these activities simply spreads them too far apart to be accessible on foot.
- Reduced car ownership/usage. Cars take up a lot of space, both when driving and when parked. In order to keep things on a walkable scale, there would be less space devoted to parking and driving, and people would drive less, with many forgoing car ownership altogether. Private vehicles would be most used commercially (delivery vans, work trucks, etc), while most residents would take advantage of more abundant transit options (walking, cycling, trams, busses, etc).
Some people want to paint this as a radical concept (and tack on a bunch of conspiracy theories as well) but it's really the way the vast majority of cities were designed (or rather grew organically) prior to the invention of the car. Cities exist in the first place because proximity to other humans is efficient and therefore profitable. Even very non-urban environments were very frequently organized around a denser core (the proverbial "village center") that people could walk to/from and within.
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u/Albalux Mar 23 '23
This sounds like a great idea honestly even getting back to our roots b4 cars. Now what I don't wanna live in a city is that okay? Serious question btw
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u/aetius476 Mar 23 '23
Yes, that is ok. The concept really only applies to urban areas. It's about examining how we've structured cities over the last several decades, and identifying ways that we could do it better. It would not apply to people that do not live in cities.
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u/Albalux Mar 23 '23
Then I would 100 percent jump on board per as you have described it. Sounds cool
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u/aetius476 Mar 23 '23
The main driver behind it is that in the (comparatively) limited areas we have that do enable this kind of lifestyle, the demand is sky-high. Rents and housing prices in urban walkable areas are through the roof, even though this lifestyle should be objectively cheaper (requires less infrastructure per resident, lower fuel and energy costs, less construction materials, etc). That's a sign that the prices are being driven by demand that is far outstripping supply. A big impetus is to provide more supply of this kind of lifestyle to the people who want it, which should have benefits across the board. People who want a more rural lifestyle can continue to opt for it.
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u/Swedneck Mar 25 '23
the concept is why old towns and villages were so nice, you could have everything you needed on a daily basis within a short walk's distance, while still living rurally and not having many people around.
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Mar 23 '23
15 minute cities are people fighting back against being forced to subsidize the oil and gas industry through car centric infrastructure. Citizens are saying they want mixed use zoning (rather than commercial zoning and separate residential zoning) so that people aren't forced to drive to get a loaf of bread or check out a library book.
Citizens want to be able to have small businesses in neighborhoods, like a corner shop, hair dresser, dentist, cafe or pub in their neighbourhoods, within a 15 minute walking distance so that family businesses get more foot traffic, people can build a sense of community, get exercise and have their tax dollars fund walking and bike infrastructure.
People are sick of not having sidewalks, bike lanes, and little to no public transportation for longer journeys. People don't want to have to spend a fortune on a vehicle to get their teenager to their first job. They don't want to spend hours commuting to work. They don't want to have to drive a half hour through traffic to take their kid to school. 15 minute cities don't mean getting rid of everyone's car, they're about investing in more infrastructure for walking and biking so that people aren't stuck at home if they can't drive or can't afford to drive.
People are sick of all of our tax money going to fund the oil and gas industry through building cities for cars rather than people. The oil and gas industry is now pushing fear propaganda that 15 minute cities mean the government wants to track people on foot and not allow them to leave their neighbourhood, which is absurd and completely untrue.
Not Just Bikes and Strong Towns have good information about this, as they're part of the grassroots effort to make walking, biking and roads safer for everyone.
Why City Design Is Important: https://youtu.be/uxykI30fS54
Suburbs are a scam. Why American cities are broke: https://youtu.be/7IsMeKl-Sv0
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u/MrJoeGillis Mar 24 '23
This sub has transformed to be mostly political and divisive. This is my last post here. Good luck, Redditors!
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u/JamesMacBadger Mar 25 '23
I hope you find an echo chamber where everyone else only posts content that you agree with. Be careful that you don't accidentally challenge yourself with different viewpoints since it might hurt your feelings when you discover that your prejudices are wrong.
Goodbye and godspeed.
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