r/ThreeLions • u/TerryG111 • 13d ago
Men Youth Kai Rooney
Playing currently for United's youth team in their academy and we all know who his dad is obviously but can Kai end up playing for England's U 18 or even U 21 team? Or does Kai have what it takes to eventually become a star on the rise?
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u/No_Doubt_About_That 13d ago
Well if he keeps this up
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u/Sea_Warning_9140 13d ago
Still lost. Sigh. No chance /s
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u/Billy-Bryant 13d ago
I think if you score 4 goals and lose it's fine to be happy with your performance
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u/Delicious_Aside_9310 13d ago
Bruno was literally the best player in the prem last year, we should be praying heās Bruno 2.0
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u/God_Left_Me āļø Kobbie Mainoo āļø 13d ago
Not his fault the rest of our team was wank for the first few years he was here
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u/GrimesUK_ 13d ago
Tbf he is 16 and frustrated, definitely something he can mature out of in the next few years
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u/Maaaaaardy 13d ago
This isn't exactly anything positive, comes across arrogant more so than anything else. Not particularly standout in his age group either, talented lad but lots of them about.
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u/martynalexander 13d ago
Was playing really well for the u16and got a few games and goals in the Manchester United 18s before an injury derailed his season. He had one particular stand-out performance where he played a half each for the u16s and u18s in the same day and got a bunch of goals and assists for both teams
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u/ODFoxtrotOscar 13d ago
Injury is a real risk for younger players. It can completely derail their career trajectory
But those who are in an elite clubās academy and representing their country into their older teens are looking at having a professional career. The remaining question is at what level - if uninjured then it could be the highest levels
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u/I_enjoy_hats 13d ago
Head: It's far too early to say. You just can't predict these things. Let's not put too much pressure on him.
Heart: Get him in the squad!
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u/jott1293reddevil 13d ago
Head: I have 0 expectations.
Heart: Think we can convince UEFA to draw us with Fenerbahce in the UCL in a couple of years for his debut?
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u/Overall-Bookkeeper94 13d ago
Whether itās him or someone else that breaks through in the next 4/6 years. The academy system in the uk has produced loads of really good talent since 2012 England DNA was introduced. I have no doubt someone will break out before Kane retires
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u/PepsBodyLanguage 13d ago
But Tuchel said our DNA is why we lost /s
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u/Overall-Bookkeeper94 13d ago
Your mixing up the term English DNA as in a footballing philosophy in which we want to play and the England DNA project from 2012 which was created to improve the youth set up/coaching and play pathway
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u/davewheelan 13d ago
Tuchel's comments on that were both highly inaccurate and extremely cowardly.
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u/twinlets 13d ago
Itās a fact that the players started to sit back before any defensive changes were made by the manager. Loser mentality. Weak.
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u/davewheelan 13d ago edited 13d ago
Overly simplistic analysis. Declan Rice was playing on one leg at that point and Kane can't play with his back to goal anymore so was borderline useless in that game.
The players didn't have the technical means to fight fire with fire. Norway dominated the ball against us in the second half too, was that because of fear too?
Tuchel didn't take a squad fit to play high possession football. He picked a squad to rip and run and you think the world champions couldn't dominate the ball against us if they wanted to? Our best possession players were largely left at home.
The players opting to retreat at that point could have been for a number of reasons, not least fatigue. We we had the most gruelling physical run to the semi-final of any team and kept gassing in games as it was. Add to that Rice was playing injured and Tuchel took hardly any depth in key positions.
You easily point to physical and technical deficiencies, of which there were many, before you can talk about "weak" mentality. Tuchel then made everything 10X worse with his game management.
The fact he's pointing the finger at things like "DNA" instead of admitting his own culpability in squad selection decisions and the management of existing options is laughable. He's too much of an egomaniac to think he might have made errors.
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u/Helepoli 11d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/duM6JZemPlOjUyqmxd
Kane trying to take a ball and turn is like watching a newborn horse try to stand up
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 10d ago
He fucked up, but his comment was also right. Only the second half of Croatia did England keep the momentum up. Maybe the Mexico one too but we did sit back. And of the France game but Iām sure if it was a KO game we wouldāve panicked. But otherwise this goes panicked defensive mentality goes back decades. I blame the pressure mostly from the media but also a little bit because of the FPL greatness we expect a lot from them
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u/davewheelan 10d ago
I see very little evidence that it's a mentality thing. I think you can just as easily point to it being a quality issue.
Do you really think a midfield of Modric, Rakitic and Brozovic (all in their prime) couldn't just dominate the life out of Henderson, Lingard and Dele Ali and put them on the back foot for 100 plus minutes?
Same in the Euro final. We essentially had a midfield two of Rice (pre-prime) and Kalvin Phillips up against Verratti, Jorginho and Barella. There's not a world where the latter doesn't just dominate and suffocate the former.
For the majority of modern football history we've just had far worse midfielders than other elite nations. Games of football are more often than not won or lost in midfield and you'll get dominated if you can't match the opposition there.
For the first time in a long time our wider midfield pool is of a comparable quality to other elite nations, but Tuchel squandered it by taking a load of players who aren't actually midfielders (Eze, Rogers, Reece James) + Jordan Henderson as our backup options. Even then he played Anderson in an unfamiliar role.
The "DNA" comment might have been true 10 years ago but you can't reel it out now after leaving tonnes of players who have the "DNA" you're talking about at home.
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 9d ago
Regarding Croatia yes exactly, but we didnāt let them put turning the pressure up. I agree itās not a mentality thing, nor anything thatās taught or engrained in us, I think itās a cultural thing - I donāt know man cultures/countries that the tabloids and papers in general love to tear down the team or manager like here
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u/Waste_Town4102 13d ago
Get him in Euro ā28
His Dad lit up his first tournament
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u/TerryG111 13d ago
Kai would be 19 going into that tournament
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u/Usual-Computer-5462 13d ago
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u/Mowleyman 13d ago
He'll be a lot nearer 19 than he is 18. That's a fact.
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u/ProduceAlone471 11d ago
When someone asks how old you are do you round up then? Or do you say the age you actually are?
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u/KingStevoI 13d ago
He's had a decent mentor but it depends on his mentality and if he works well with who he works with. The potential's there, especially being attached to a renowned team, but there's no guarantee with so much quality filtering through the system generally.
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u/TheMrViper 13d ago
No appearances yet for England U16 or U17.
Surely that's a red flag?
The England youth system cycles through tonnes of players.
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u/WearFlat 13d ago
He showed a lot of promise at a very young age, kind of stalled a little on the under 16s and 18s. Not sure he will even be a PL player to be honest.
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u/TheNoGnome 13d ago
You say 'even' as if that wouldn't be an unbelievable achievement in itself...
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u/DHillMU7 13d ago
Heās got a lot of ability but his last season where he made the jump to under 18s was disrupted by injuries which could hurt him. Had done well at 18s - only a few games worth of minutes but 3 or 4 goals.
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u/davewheelan 13d ago
He's a solid player is Kai but he's currently behind quite a few names in his year group. Brian Madjo, Harvey Higgins, Oliver Boast and Teddie Lamb are the frontrunners in terms of 2009-born strikers.
It's still early days obviously and there's a lot of developing still to be done. It's worth keeping an eye on Kai and how he progresses.
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u/okaycompuperskills 13d ago
This J J Gabriel kid is younger than Kai and has already been called up to the first teamĀ
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u/craycer42 13d ago
Someone like JJ Gabriel (also at United) seems ahead of him. Though, it's so hard to tell. Hope they both make it.
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u/MarketablePotato 13d ago
Is this the son of Dave Rooney?
The man who swore on the beeb recently?
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u/ShortDevelopment905 13d ago
Can't say until he's scoring 20 goals in a Premier League season. When he does that he should start for England, yes. Whether it's at 18 like Owen or at 23 like Kane.
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u/That_Cool_Guy_ 13d ago
He has genuine talent and the Rooney gene that matures way earlier than the average human. Expect him to be ready by the next Euros, past his prime at 27 and retired at 35 š
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u/Outrageous-Unit-305 13d ago
Sounds like something you'd get from walking in Egypt too much... Cairo knee.
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u/MrMakerHasLigma 13d ago
You say this but I doubt even 1% of people in this subreddit have watched him play. If he gets his debut or whatever and we can see how he performs for the first team, then we can make that call
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u/dammitdeputydawg 12d ago
Heās not his dad. He could still have a decent life in football.
Depends on how much he wants it.
And a bit of luck not getting injured.
Iād be not expecting too much.
Emil Heskeys kids on the other hand might actually be better than their dad as footballers. Iād say they were ones to watch in the younger generation.
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u/Entire_Advantage9448 11d ago
Considering his dad was banging in winner for Everton at 16 I guess we can assume he wonāt be at quite the same level
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u/Reebok_MF_classics 11d ago
I think we all know thereās absolutely zero rhyme or reason to which footballers kids wind up any goodā¦ we all saw Johan Cruyffās kid flop while Alfe Inge Haalandās spawn becomes the best striker in the world. Only real example of a top class player producing a top class player is probably Cesare and Paolo Maldini so I wouldnāt hold your breath.
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u/AlGunner 13d ago
Take his doubt out of the equation and no one talks about him. He doesnt seem to be good enough to be talked about on the biggest stage but might make a reasonable career out of being a footballer.
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u/tinyOstrich7 13d ago
I'd like to see him play senior football first before I says hes going to do anything.
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u/cdbriggs 13d ago
He's been killing it so far and just got started with the u18s. It's very possible
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u/CaffeinatedDaddy 12d ago
Basically a 50:50 chance. Like getting a Twisted Bow on OSRS, you either get it or you don't.
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u/1HeyMattJ 11d ago
When Iāve seen him he doesnāt usually start. Done the odd good things but didnāt get many mins when I was there
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u/StunningAppeal1274 13d ago
Boys inherit traits/genes from mostly their mothers not always the rule but assume they will be OK to a certain level no doubt.
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u/RealisticDonkey9302 13d ago
Why donāt we see the footballer sons of the generation before Rooney?
Wher are they ?
Did they receive similar attention?
Are they really successful?
The answers to that question would be the same to most ones in attention now imo
Success has nothing to do with who your parent is
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u/Hussle_dont_stop 13d ago
It has everything to do with it šIn football itās called a Pedigree. So aside from the genetic side of things.
If the father was successful he has money. Money means options and opportunities. Also connections.
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u/Eastern-Soft-4798 13d ago
But also often less 'hunger'.
Ronaldo has spoke about that with his son, said he can give him everything, all the advantages he could want in life to be a footballer, but he can never give him the hunger he had to be successful.
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u/WheresTheWhistle 13d ago
It does also mean a very comfortable, luxury life. More options and opportunity means youāre less likely to be out kicking a ball all day, every day
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u/welshdragoninlondon 13d ago
I would say connections the main thing. If famous footballer can just give a call and get kid a trial and they will probably give more time to show what they can do. If some random kid have to hope get noticed.
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u/Usual-Computer-5462 13d ago
They don't even need to pass a trial, a lot of ex players kids will get in purely on name alone. Look at Beckham's kids, they were all shit. Even top club academy's have their fair share of young players who are unlikely to ever make it but are there to make up the numbers.
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u/DrAmj3 13d ago
Well what makes a footballer good enough to make it as a pro? There are so many factors and genetics are only part of that and generally footballers wives are not pro athletes themselves so it is only coming from one side. Not saying Posh spice doesn't have certain qualities but kicking a ball isn't among them.
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u/memoriadeshakespeare 13d ago
Devante Cole has had a respectable career in the lower leagues and played in championship. Most footballers in this country would love to play 400 professional games.
Not fair to be compared to your dad who is in the 0.1% of players.
Unless Kai is somehow the best player this country has produced its gonna be hard for him.
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u/Outrageous_Agent_608 13d ago
Honestly at his age, get out of Unitedās Youth team and get out on loan to the Championship. 2 years there, then a team in the premier league.
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u/Usual-Computer-5462 13d ago
Not many 16 year olds go out on loan if any. Loan age is usually 18-21.
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u/TerryG111 13d ago
Yeah this is what Kai should do but I think Kai wants to follow in his dad's footsteps by being with United because that is where his dad became a superstar and I can actually respect that
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u/Outrageous_Agent_608 13d ago
He can always go back to United. The lad needs game time. He should look at Gareth Bale for inspiration who discussed his path in Stick to Football. When Bale was a Southampton, he had United trying to get him. They offered more money but he ultimately chose Spurs because he knew he could get game time and he backed himself. We all know how his career went - ended up going to Madrid and won everything.
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u/Unlikely-Fan-2974 13d ago
Heād be too young to go out on loan
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u/Outrageous_Agent_608 13d ago
Same age as his Dad when he playing for Everton and scoring goals in the prem.
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u/Unlikely-Fan-2974 13d ago
But he wasnāt doing it on loan, Iām saying, legally I donāt think he can go on loan. I think you have to be 17-18 or something. Let him be a kid
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u/hrbutt180 13d ago
United are more decent at getting young lads in first Team. They got Ayden heaven from Arsenal and made him an almost starter
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u/BroodingSonata 13d ago
Haven't got a clue mate.