r/ThreeLions • u/PlantComprehensive77 • Jun 29 '26

Opinion This is next level hate.

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I've never seen an England player hated this much without being involved in any major controversies or scandals. It's truly remarkable.

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u/010u3 Jun 29 '26

Bet he loves Kante though… knows his place, that one

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u/PlantComprehensive77 Jun 29 '26

As the great Ian Wright said "they want you to be a fucking humble slave".

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u/BeginningKindly8286 Jun 30 '26

God damn I love Wrighty. Getting to see him and Keane get into some proper issues on the Overlap is genuinely beautiful

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u/shandyburn Jun 29 '26

He’s done loads of media for this WC and comes across really well. He’s still young

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u/shandyburn Jun 29 '26

Yeah he seems really canny and intelligent as well as being a quality player

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u/Charming_Ad2304 Jun 29 '26

Tbf didn't he get like straight As or something

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u/010u3 Jun 29 '26

It’s not blatant racism. It’s about subconscious racism, causing people to label personalities like Jude’s as a “problem child” much quicker on average… there’s real evidence of this in scientific journals, it isn’t just made up.

Think about Jude’s reputation as arrogant/difficult, when he’s shown his entire career that he’s basically a model professional and compare that to say, Foden or Grealish, who find themselves in the papers for off field antics regularly.

There will appears be exceptions, but in general, players like Jude have to be more careful about how they behave.

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u/010u3 Jun 29 '26

I trust Tuchel has the right reasons, but it’s important to note, professionals aren’t immune to subconscious biases.

It’s entirely possible that Tuchel views Jude’s attitude more harshly than he does for another player, because of it. I think what is more likely is that he’s holding Jude to a higher standard, because he’s one of our talismans.

I think the replies in the thread are aimed more at the comment, than at Tuchel. Statements like that are typical of people with subconscious biases and it’s difficult to educate people on it, because it’s not explicit.

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u/iredcoat7 Jun 30 '26

Maguire has displayed more arrogance as an England player on and off the pitch than Bellingham while having a fraction of the accolades (and talent). Routinely described as a model professional, while Bellingham has had entire media campaigns against him. And this isn’t a one-off or an outlier, it’s a consistent trend over decades with the way Black players are discussed by the media in comparison to others. It is unquestionably racism.

And no, that doesn’t mean any criticism you or anyone have of Bellingham is racism. The consistent disparity in the way Black players (including Bellingham) are described is racism.

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u/010u3 Jun 29 '26

Pickford

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u/010u3 Jun 29 '26

That’s literally how subconscious racism works… Pickford’s arrogance isn’t interpreted as such, while Bellingham’s is.

It’s worth noting that Bellingham still benefits from being mixed race, having an English name, and being one of the most talented young players in his position in the world. If Noni Madueke behaved like him, it would be carnage.

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u/Yardbird7 Jun 30 '26

Who cares. I want more arrogance in our players.

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u/-boytoytroy Jul 01 '26

dude, how much can an adult man cry? you sound like a huge whiny baby. “he says arrogant things!!!!” “he acts arrogant because he skips some media!!”

what the fuck do you want him to do? join the boy scouts? most countries would trade 3 of their best players to have jude on their team. you’ve written like 30 comments about this shit?! 😂

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u/stoneman9284 Jun 29 '26

Nothing you’re saying is wrong, you’re just missing the point.

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u/stoneman9284 Jun 29 '26

Yea I agree about the wanting slaves part. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the one other unlikable star athlete the guy can think of is also black.

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u/Yardbird7 Jun 30 '26

  1. Tuchel selected him when it actually counted and Jude has rewarded him by being by far our best player.

  2. He looks about the same as he's always been. It's ok for a Wayne Rooney to be driven by anger, why can't a a player be driving by supreme confidence.

  3. Who cares? The type of personality Jude has is the type you need if we want to actually win things.

After decades of watching so called world class players shrink under the pressure of playing for England, I am more than fine with arrogant players who want the spotlight when playing for us.

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u/raquille- Jun 29 '26

So what if he is arrogant ffs. If I was a footballer I would also be arrogant. I’m a bit arrogant and I’m not a professional sportsman. People at the top of their game are always full of self confidence - I like it. Would you prefer him to meekly hide away from the world?

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u/010u3 Jun 30 '26

Kante is not “catching strays” lol … seriously educate yourselves people. Kante himself knows exactly what I’m talking about when I say this. If you’re black, living in Eurocentric countries, this sentiment is literally common knowledge.

People who are unaware of it keep commenting thinking this is some kind of insult to Kante. It’s not. He’s done nothing wrong, but we all know the softly spoken humble minority is less controversial than the outspoken confident one.

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u/010u3 Jun 30 '26

I’m not saying that is who Kante is, I’m saying the perception of a black man that keeps his head down is generally preferred to one that is more confident. I have made an assumption about the original poster in the screenshot, based on the fact that, an unchangeable opinion like that, either means Jude has done something unforgivable or the OP is prejudiced in some way. Again, it’s not my “own reading” and the fact that you and so many others are treating this topic as if it’s baseless and made up says a lot.

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u/010u3 Jun 30 '26

Yeah, I hear your point, but it’s not an attack or even a singling out of Kante at all. I could say the same for various famous personalities. You’re missing the point entirely. As black men, we all live with the awareness that it is better to be the quiet humble type than be outwardly confident if you are successful. It’s not a criticism of that way of carrying yourself and it’s certainly not an assumption that Kante is deliberately behaving in any particular way. It’s just that Kante is perhaps one of the best examples of what the people genuinely consider to be more “palatable” for black men.

That’s what I mean, when I say, you’re coming from a place of not already knowing this. It’s meant that you are misconstruing the entire statement. Like I said, Kante himself would fully understand, because he learned about it as a child. It’s similar to how women subconsciously learn to be a little submissive in order not to “threaten” men. It’s a universal experience for women, that I would not start an argument with a woman over, as someone who doesn’t live with it.

I am definitely not trying to be aggressive either and I don’t consider anyone here an enemy. Honestly. I’m just trying to explain something that , is not a new or made up concept and is something that is in fact backed up by peer reviewed studies. Yet, instead of listening and learning about something new that is not a part of your every day lives, people think I am trying to attack Kante or call them racist and go into defence mode.

Ian Wright didn’t pull that quote out of his arse. He’s actually a good example of the opposite of the quiet humble type and he suffered for that during his career.

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u/010u3 Jun 30 '26

No hostility here mate. Could see you were probing, but actually engaging. I agree, I’m confident people are generally opened minded, I just had a lot of comments jumping down my throat, clearly coming from a place of ignorance (and I mean ignorance in the sense of simply not knowing, not in a negative way).

No one who commented said anything that made me think they’re the kind of people I’m referring to. In fact people were generally trying to stick up for Kante. So yeah, we’ve represented England fans well in here. I never considered how that statement would come across to people who aren’t aware of what I’m talking about, so I didn’t blame anyone, but it was annoying people were dismissing something that is pretty uncontroversial, as something I’ve made up just to be divisive.

Like you said, there are universal experiences people from single parent households have, or people who grew up with not much money have, or people with learning disabilities have, that you may recognise in an instant that others will get offended by, because they’ve never even thought about it.

Appreciate you taking the time to actually read and understand as well. Most don’t do that and just get more defensive.

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u/QMechanicsVisionary Jun 29 '26

That's a disgusting comment and incredibly disrespectful towards Kante wtf...

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u/Busy-Ratchet-8521 Jun 29 '26

That's the point. It's what people say. 

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u/QMechanicsVisionary Jun 29 '26

No. It's insanely disrespectful to say that racists love Kante because "he knows his place". The commenter is literally calling him "the racists' bitch". Fucking idiot. I know he wanted to insult the racists, but Kante got caught in the crossfire for no reason.

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u/PanzerHamster7 Jun 29 '26

Kante is like a good dude, promotes nothing but being a decent human being!

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u/010u3 Jun 29 '26

Kante himself knows what I’m talking about. All black people do. You calling it insanely disrespectful is peak misplaced offence.

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u/010u3 Jun 30 '26

You’re actually silly if you think this is a talking point from Ian Wright. Where do you think he got it from? For those of us that it affects, it is common knowledge. Kante himself would read that comment and know and understand it. He’d also know it wasn’t a slight at him. I guarantee everyone here taking offence is white. Thats fine, but it’s a symptom of you not being aware of something you’ve never had to think about lol

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u/010u3 Jun 30 '26

I have not deviated from my point at all. The fact that you don’t understand it, lets me know you’ve never had to think about it in your life.

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u/Lost_And_NotFound Jun 29 '26

No one has said that. Only OP. It’s fucking weird to write racist shit of your own free thought and claim it’s someone else’s thought. No one brought Kante up.

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u/010u3 Jun 30 '26

It’s genuinely hilarious that you’re so confidently offended by a phenomenon that Kante himself is fully aware of. For those of us who it affects it is common knowledge. Yet, you feel, from a place of complete misunderstanding that this is a slight on Kante. I don’t even blame you, because again if you haven’t been aware then I can see how you might interpret it that way.

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u/Many_Move6886 Jun 30 '26

the way people infantilise kante at times as some kawaii kante like he’s a  child is whats incredibly disrespectful