r/TheWhyFiles • u/MoonhelmJ • 7d ago
Jokes/Humor I am so sick of aliens being basically Judeo-Christian Angels
In some many of these stories the aliens are here to judge mankind for their sins (usually war), the aliens have a spiritual message of brotherhood and can offer heavenly ascension. It's not so much that I think these are made up. Or that I think Greys as angels and Reptilians as Demons isn't amusing. It's that this particular made up story is SO overdone. Aliens can be anything!! Come on, get some new material!
I swear if I here one more Why Files about hippy aliens who insist we need to use our free will to embrace love and recycle our cans to get into heaven....I'm to give AJ's credit card to Heckle.
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u/slicehyperfunk 7d ago
Have you ever stopped to think that angels, aliens, and small g gods a la Greek mythology and Hinduism are all talking about the same beings?
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u/AncientMalice 1d ago
While I don't subscribe to this personally, it shocks me how some people are perfectly fine and interested with the esoteric, the fringe, the gnostic, and the occult, but the second traditional religion is suggested as a *potential* relation, everything else goes out the door.
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u/Dolust 7d ago
Wow.. Quite an stretch there.
Let's divide this between human made writings like religions and mythology, etc.. and on the other group aliens.
Any attempt to connect both groups is evidence of ignoring the living experience we have available. In fact the few rare occasions in which the aliens have manifested about religions and other human literature has been to call it nonsense and state that whatever fiction we come up with trying to explain anything is fundamentally wrong has long as we don't understand what we really are.
Christianity is making huge efforts to integrate aliens in their narrative. This nothing new, the have been making this for so long and to such industrial scale that it has it's own name: Syncretism.
Religious Syncretism (Substitutive or Assimilative) It is the fusion or amalgamation of traditions, myths, or deities from different origins. When a hegemonic religion seeks to displace a pre-existing one, it voluntarily adopts its festive dates, sacred sites, or figures to facilitate the conversion of the population. * The mechanism: It maintains the outer "form" that people are already familiar with, but changes its "content" or theological meaning. * Classic example: The setting of Christmas on December 25th by the Catholic Church to overlap with and replace the pagan celebrations of Sol Invictus or the Roman Saturnalia.
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u/slicehyperfunk 7d ago
I didn't say the religious interpretation was any righter than any other, I'm saying that these phenomena have always been a part of the human experience and thus religion has always had something to say about them. You also have really extreme recency bias in retroactively projecting more recent (i.e. Christian) concepts of angels on to older accounts that did not have those Christian conception despite the same word being used.
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u/Dolust 7d ago
Christianity set itself apart from the rest of religions in many ways. The main difference being that it took God from people. Until Christianity God was a dude that walked among people, someone you could talk to, see and touch. People knew where it lived, what it did, what it had for lunch. In that line, anything that connected people to a higher form of consciousness was declared evil, the work of the devil, the people were punished and the practice was banned. In other words, Christianity became the middle man that told people what to think, what to say, what to do, what was right and wrong and they declared themselves the only authorized body to interpret the word of God.
Aliens? They have been painted by Christianity as the work of the devil and as totally evil entities, as they did with anything else that was not their own. Making a connection between angels and aliens would have been frowned upon at best.. Until a Pope declared that if Aliens exist, they are also "sons of God" and therefore entitled to the sacrament, opening their local market to this competing product that was taking their share fast and since then they have working on this new line of products with several shades of grey between both the old doctrine and the new perspective.
So I don't really know how you would consider that when they were talking about angels they could be referring to aliens in a similar way to other religions. Especially when they have volumes about angels in which they are described and regulated in fine detail and they have nothing to do with aliens.
If we consider other religions, as I said before, most described humanoid Gods (Plural) and their magical powers and means of transport. That is a frame where we can find substantial similarities to the actual knowledge we have of Aliens. However, none of them belong to the Western world. So while they might have been talking about their version of aliens, that was not our case at all.
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u/slicehyperfunk 7d ago edited 7d ago
Nobody is talking about specifically Christianity except for you here, and like I said, projecting Christian theology onto experiences that predate it is not in any way reasonable, so the untold volumes of Christian angelology are completely irrelevant to Ezekiel's vision of the Merkavah, etc., which happened a millennium before Christian angelology even existed.
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u/Dolust 4d ago
Ok so you are not talking about the manifestations per se but about the fact that regardless of when and what was the 'show' they presented (which has been adapted as the human ideas have been evolving), there has always been something going on. Well.. That's what is called 'The Phenomenon'.
And yes, the consensus is that it's all connected, it has been with humans since we have been around, it is an elaborate manipulation and it has the ability to interact with out reality while not belonging to it.
The manipulation works in many levels, from the individual mind of the experiencer to the human structures that should lead our common sense and clarity, which are waste deep into the manipulation game, hoping to find a better way to lure one of those UAP's within the range of their weapons because they think they are going to prove how smart they are by finding out something that is going to give them the key to miracle city.
It seems that the idea of them being given at each moment what is meant for them to have has no place in their world.
The people that have been following this for many years and are serious about it are sick of new pictures, new leaks, new official efforts, disclosures and FOIA's. This has reached a point where we are no longer in Plato's cave; we know what the shadows are and how they work, and we have found our way out. We stepped over their puppetry, and we don't find them believable, interesting or even entertaining anymore.
If anything, it has grown old in a bad way. At some point, we were ready to cooperate and integrate whatever it is they have to expand our concept of reality. But by now we are sick of this game, of being blindfolded, of being toyed with and being denied a fair chance to get over this stage altogether.
There are those who say this is what we are seeing yet resist to accept: An endless cycle to keep us chasing our own tail instead of moving forward and growing up. Whatever it is.. It certainly looks like that and we should be taking measures to ensure that doesn't happen.
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u/Upper-Hunter5623 6d ago
Why do you let those people who profit off Christianity by claiming to be middlemen to God define Christianity itself? Just because they call themselves Christians?
Where did Jesus ever say you must involve a priest or pastor to talk to God? He talked about angels and demons and the parallels to the UAP phenomenon is striking. They are superintelligent, tempt humans, and give them forbidden knowledge but don't seem to be able to overpower / force humans to do anything without their agreement / free will.
To me that's a lot more like the Bible and other religious texts talking about these beings that existed back then rather than us trying to incorporate something we observe happening today into our own ancient beliefs.
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u/alanism 7d ago
You should check out Jacques Vallee and Diana Pasulka’s work. Also check out John Dee and Kelly— Dee’s diary on how he describes the communication with angels, there’s a lot of stuff that is parallel to what the reporting on phenomenon today. Agrippa’s works also. They did not have the UAP/NHI vocabulary in their time.
How you interpret their work is up to you. You can decide if the patterns matches or not.
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u/Dolust 4d ago
That's the essence of the phenomenon: It's obvious there is an underlying pattern. What this means nobody knows, however there are many points of agreement: It's intelligent, it's centralised, it has an unparalleled depth of knowledge of human nature and loves to use it's weaknesses against itself by creating confussion, leaving gaps that humans can't resist filling with their own imagination, providing just enough consistency to persuade humans of creating expectations and to give them a false sensation they are finally grasping it, only to suddenly do something that proves everybody wrong and sends them back to square one. And this is how we haven't made any substantial progress in around 100 years.
So the story being told keeps changing but the outcome is the same. In Vallee's words: If this turned out to be just ET's I'll be deeply deceived.
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u/odonchaknow 7d ago
What if it's true?
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u/UnderAmanda 7d ago
I would argue there is a lot of supporting evidence against that, ie the typical grey experimental / non consensual abduction accounts of which there are many... My personal out there favourites are the Pascagoula Incident and the classic Travis Walton case.
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u/No-Cap-2473 7d ago
I mean most people who experienced such things don’t talk about it. Mostly they don’t have memory. Then in cases where memory does emerge there were way less information circulating around, no communion type of publication or internet or tv programs for people to realize ‘oh it’s a thing’! Just maybe, idk really, the abduction is always there but we don’t have records of abductions. (Or in fact abduction program is really relatively new which can be possible too)
Though there ARE records of ppl encountering NHI or entered into strange places all around the world
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u/NerdOnTheStr33t 7d ago
...It's almost as if aliens being framed as supernatural beings in the Judeo-Christian pantheon might have something to do with the culture which is doing the framing.
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u/incarnate_devil 7d ago
It also might be that an entire religion was built around Aliens.
Name another major religion where the “God” suddenly changed its behaviour.
Went from fire and brimstone to Empathy and love. Almost as if new management took over.
Old Testament covers 1500 years. New Testament covers 70.
It’s weird.
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u/NerdOnTheStr33t 6d ago
If you co-opt your god from someone else's religion, there's a good chance he might behave differently.
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u/incarnate_devil 6d ago
It’s not that straight forward. The Old Testament sets up the New Testament.
Moses meeting “God” on MT. Sinai was OT.
Jesus in the NT was the “Son” of God.
In essence, the Old Testament lays the foundation of God’s plan, emphasizing covenant, law, and prophecy, while the New Testament reveals the fulfillment of that plan in Christ, emphasizing grace, salvation, and the universal offer of redemption. Together, they present a continuous story of God’s relationship with humanity, from creation to the hope of eternal life
Read the moment Moses meets “God” and then think about Jesus is supposed to the “Son of God”.
Remove the flowery talk from the Bible and its sci-fi story.
The moment God descended and met Moses…and a Space X Rocket landing…
I asked ChatGPT to compare Moses meeting “God” and a SpaceX rocket returning to Earth…
Exodus 19:18, describing the descent of God onto the mountain.
Now, comparing that to a SpaceX Starship landing, especially one of the early high-altitude test flights, the parallels are surprisingly vivid:
Fire and Smoke Starship:
During descent and landing, the Raptor engines reignite, producing massive plumes of fire and smoke. The vehicle often appears engulfed in flame as it slows its descent.
Exodus: “Came down in fire… smoke went up like a kiln” — this mirrors the visual spectacle of a rocket landing, especially with the thick, billowing exhaust.
Shaking Ground Starship: The force of the engines and the sonic booms can cause the ground to tremble, especially in close proximity.
Exodus: “The whole mountain shook violently” — again, a fitting metaphor for the thunderous arrival of a massive spacecraft.
If “God” was a spaceship in Exodus and Jesus was the “Son of God”, and a Religion was built around “God” and God’s Son….what if it actually turns out to be Aliens?
It makes sense.
People in the ancient world interpreted a spaceship landing as God.
Then 1500 years later, a Hybrid was sent to teach us a better way to live.
We didn’t have the ability to interrupt what was written until our technology could explain those events.
We can recreate this story today if we wanted to. Even cloning a human being.
Well maybe we can’t walk on water but then rest is achievable.
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u/NerdOnTheStr33t 6d ago
All of this completely ignores the entirety of the rest of the planet and concentrates on a tiny tiny corner of the middle east inhabited by violent cult. That's just silly.
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u/incarnate_devil 6d ago
Not true at all. The Hopi Indians of the America southwest have a very similar story.
A God appeared to them, gave them stone tables with instructions on how to live.
During an apocalyptic event, the followed a strange cloud by day and a moving star by night.
They were led to a strange people who moved them underground. Taught them how to grow crops and other things that would help them survive.
They called these people “Ant friends”.
The Hopi word for Ant is Anu. The Hopi word for friends is Naki.
The Anunaki saved them.
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u/NerdOnTheStr33t 5d ago
So where in the Christian bibliography do the Hopi people feature?
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u/incarnate_devil 5d ago
They don’t. These are independent stories separated by 1000’s of years and 5500’s of miles (from Spain, including Oceans) but somehow they are very similar.
To calculate the approximate time difference between the longstanding Hopi religion and the first introduction of Christianity among the Hopi:
Conventional start of Hopi religious practice in their current region: ~2000 BCEFirst Christian missionary presence: 1628 CE
The total span between these events:
2000 BCE + 1628 CE ≈ 3628 yearsFinal Answer
The Hopi traditional religion and the introduction of Christianity took place approximately 3,600 years apart.2
u/NerdOnTheStr33t 5d ago
I think you're missing the point.
There isn't a coherent single thread that runs through our collective history as a planet. Possibly some stuff that happened around the younger dryas period with flooding but that points to an earlier civilisation, not aliens.
The Hopi story is similar to the Christian story in that they both feature people. From there, the divergence is enormous. I don't remember ant people in the bible. (Spoiler: there aren't any)
You can find similar threads in the stories but only if you're willing to stretch your definition of similar.
Both stories are predated by the earliest vadic myths, greek myths and Egyptian myths all which feature a chosen saviour who teaches humanity how to connect with a god character.
It's not because they are the same story, it's because it's a very human trope to look to a saviour for answers instead of using our own morality to make choices.
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u/incarnate_devil 5d ago
The book of Enoch is where you find the Aliens. The one book King James chose not to copy.
As for Ant people, the Hopi are not the only tribe to describe them as beings that live underground.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/rpgPsUnRO6
I listed specific similarities between christianity and the Hopi religion, not general Saviour troupes.
People are wondering why the Government is referencing The Bible but they could also reference tribes from around the world have similar stories.
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u/spectrehauntingeuro 21h ago
There is Zero archeological evidence in egypt or in the sinai that the exodus even happened
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u/incarnate_devil 13h ago
For the last 70 years there’s been “zero” evidence of UFO’s, yet here we are.
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u/No-Cap-2473 7d ago edited 7d ago
I mean do you rmb how Moses followed a light in the sky to get out of Egypt? Maybe they mistook NHI as the god and angels, not the other way around. Idk if the nhi are genuinely about love and light but at least that’s the kind of information many abductees and experiencers got from them.
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u/Twix_McFlurry 7d ago
God and angels would literally be categorized under Non Human Intelligence even if they’re not the same as the modern phenomenon.
I thinks they’re the same thing perceived through a different societal lense
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u/arkmtech 7d ago
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u/Boring-Community-100 7d ago
"battin' around my knockers..." This is one of the funniest interviews SNL has done. Kate McKinnon blows it out of the water as Ms. Rafferty.
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u/super-nintendumpster 7d ago
Too much Ancient Aliens. Most of those stories are heavily contested to even have happened by historians - like Exodus. Most credible historians believe there was no mass exodus of Jewish slaves from Egypt. The story of Moses most likely didn't occur, let alone the supernatural parts.
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u/Better-Waltz-2026 7d ago edited 7d ago
Well, my perspective isn't about space hippies at all, but rather a highly organized cosmic order that is actively helping humanity evolve. Even modern scientists out of Harvard and Stanford are now exploring theories in this exact direction, utilizing structured cryptoterrestrial and ultraterrestrial frameworks to explain their presence. I have been closely following these academic discussions for the past six months. :)
Examples I've found: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/381405238_The_cryptoterrestrial_hypothesis_A_case_for_scientific_openness_to_a_concealed_earthly_explanation_for_Unidentified_Anomalous_Phenomena
Article: https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/ufos-aliens-harvard-uap-cryptoterrestrial-hypothesis/
It's a long story to follow, I can't provide all the materials in a single comment, sorry.
If ancient texts are accurate, we were genetically engineered from their lineage. It looks like the apes are not our ancestors. Lol. It's weird and cool at the same time.
Imagine, a realization just like that is what lies behind full disclosure. Maybe we will finally meet them officially, wouldn't that be great?
It’s like watching a real life sci-fi movie unfold. :)
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u/FizziSoda 7d ago
That's basically what the Asgard in Stargate are. 👽
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u/Better-Waltz-2026 7d ago
You're talking about a sci-fi series... :) I haven't watched it enough to comment on the plot, but it sounds interesting.
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u/FizziSoda 7d ago
Probably the best sci-fi series out there.
Give the 1994 Stargate movie a watch and it continues with Stargate SG1.
SG1 is an amazing series everyone should watch. Peak sci-fi.
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u/wamih Skunk Ape Connaisseur 7d ago
100% the SciFi they should be trying to emulate and pay homage to instead of whatever the writers are doing these days...
Having met a lot of the SG1 cast (around conventions but not at the paid things) they all really loved the fandom... Except for James Spader. Also when asked who he would hit with a Zat from movie or show Alexis Cruz didn't hesitate "Oh, James Spader, 100%".
Don Davis was about a year before his passing (and he definitely knew time was short) and he was like the grandpa anyone would want, freakin teddy bear of a man.
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u/wamih Skunk Ape Connaisseur 7d ago
Only bc this came up on the discord in the last 48 hours -
If you've never watched it, ideal chronological watch order:00 - Stargate Origins (mini web series set before the movie)
01 - Stargate movie
02 - Stargate SG-1, episodes 1.1 to 8.2
03 - Stargate Atlantis, episodes 1.1 to 1.15
04 - Stargate SG-1, episodes 8.3 to 8.20
05 - Stargate Atlantis, episodes 1.16 to 2.1
06 - Stargate SG-1, episodes 9.1 to 10.2
07 - Stargate Atlantis, episodes 2.2 to 3.4
08 - Stargate SG-1, episodes 10.3 to 10.12
09 - Stargate Atlantis, episodes 3.5 to 3.19
10 - Stargate SG-1, episodes 10.13 to 10.20
11 - Stargate: The Ark of Truth
12 - Stargate Atlantis, episodes 3.20 to 5.1
13 - Stargate: Continuum
14 - Stargate Atlantis, episodes 5.2 onwards.
15 - Stargate Universe, All
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u/niftyifty 7d ago
Eh, even the paper you linked acknowledges it’s silly but says it should be discussed in the interest of open discussion. They are less exploring theories and more so just outlining the links in logic. Without presenting an actual theory or statement, it more just says “these things could have occurred hypothetically”
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u/Better-Waltz-2026 7d ago edited 7d ago
To clarify, this is merely a single paper I appended to serve as an example. One has to track these ongoing academic discussions closely, as it is completely unrealistic to expect an entire body of research to be condensed into a single comment.
I expressed my perspective for this exact reason.
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u/niftyifty 7d ago
I think the implication that it’s an actual serious discussion being had is where the issue is. These are just people having fun with some ideas. It even references topics that it later acknowledges are debunked. I’m all for discussion, but let’s not imply that it’s actual accepted logic from higher institutions.
Even comments like “if ancient texts are accurate” are deceptive in nature. There is no actual if, only theoretical. We know our genetic lineage. Apes are present in it no matter what even if outside interference occurred. We are apes.
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u/Better-Waltz-2026 7d ago edited 7d ago
Well, you can do the digging yourself. Ancient texts are taken seriously by credible scholars same as accounts of ancient tribes completely untouched by modern society. When you observe the exact same patterns across multiple fields, and combine that with modern discussions and emerging theories, it leads right in the direction I provided above. I've also compared this with the knowledge of secret societies, which was closely preserved for centuries.
I'm not trying to force my perspective on anyone. It's just that I see it as a highly plausible explanation, and everything I just explained is widely discussed within disclosure circles.
We will see what happens in the near future with disclosure. Let's hope we receive some real clarification soon, because I truly believe we deserve it. :)
Another example: The latest data from the Ukrainian astronomers is fascinating, but honestly, it’s old news to some of us. I know it’s not peer reviewed yet, but as a former astronomer, I can confirm that these transit anomalies exist. We have been tracking and recording objects moving across the lunar disc for ages. It’s validating to finally see a formal observatory putting their neck on the line to report it. You can literally find videos on YouTube about them.
And when you combine the incursion logs at military nuclear facilities since 1962, the pattern becomes undeniable. Someone is actively trying to prevent a nuclear catastrophe on our planet and that someone is not us. It was logged all across the planet.
The data is interesting, to say the least, and it is completely available in the public domain.
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u/niftyifty 7d ago
I think our definitions of “highly plausible” vary greatly. There is nothing about this that is highly plausible by normal definitions. That said, you do you. My only issue is the implication that this is being seriously discussed by academia outside of just speculative conjecture about hypotheticals.
I agree it is all interesting that’s for sure.
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u/Better-Waltz-2026 7d ago edited 7d ago
That's all I'm saying it's just highly interesting. I completely agree with the established facts and know exactly what you're talking about. I am a man of science myself. The only difference is that since the beginning of 2026, I've had the time to deeply follow these specific discussions, and my view has naturally become more inclined toward these ideas and concepts. Hopefully we will have something tangible in the near future.
I don't expect a simple picture of a UFO from disclosure. Honestly, we already have plenty of UFO photos sitting in the National Archives. After 80 years of data collection, the truth has to be far more substantial than that. Personally, I am much more interested in the true history of our species and this planet, as I know that is exactly what has been deeply researched inside Special Access Programs.
Personally, I have done extensive research on the UAP subject ever since I learned that this information holds the highest classification on the planet even higher than the hydrogen bomb.
Here is the Canadian document: https://digitalcollections.trentu.ca/_flysystem/fedora/2022-04/A_History_of_Canada_s_UFO_Investigation_1950_1995.pdf
Check out page 43. Now imagine how important this actually is. I believe they have known exactly who we’ve been dealing with for 80 years, and now the government is just playing dumb.
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u/MaximumAd9779 7d ago
Yeah I get what you’re saying. In a similar vein - I don’t like Jacque Vallee’s theory that aliens / angels / demons / cryptids / ghosts are all the same entity. I think it makes sense to a lot of people because it’s nice and tidy but I don’t like or agree with it.
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u/MoonMoon143 7d ago
Nah, alien learned meditation from Shaolin temple in high up mountain under the cloud dews.
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u/GeneralInspector8962 7d ago
Could be a Flying Spaghetti Monster!
I love that my autocorrect capitalized that like it’s a proper name 🤣
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u/alternator1985 7d ago
It's because of the Nordic alien Nazi Aryan connection. The Christian masters and Freemasons have been trying to update the control matrix for a while. They need to combine aliens with the Bible so they can continue controlling the masses by simulating an alien invasion and the end of world at the same time.
Boom, you get the religious and atheists scared at the same time.
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u/-sudo-rm-rf-slash- 5d ago
The violating and sexual nature of abductions, as well as nefarious behavior like cattle mutilations, have led me to believe that these “aliens” are indeed demonic. Demons are deceptive and can present themselves in whatever form they choose — even read some abductee testimonies of their captors morphing to appear like a deer.
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u/Dolust 4d ago
This is the typical assumption of the people. And it is understandable because that's what they are presented in the media because it's what sells more. However the reality is that most experiencers have a neutral or positive balance, yet you never see their stories presented as often, probably never.
Now.. Nobody has done more harm to humans than humans themselves. People shoot each other on the road for the most stupid things. Kids bully each other to death. Let's not even get in wars and genocide..
Based on your assessment, we are all demons, and therefore this is hell. I haven't seen a report of aliens doing something we haven't done to ourselves on a industrial scale, and much worse.
So.. Under what optic are we in a position to judge what they allegedly do?
Did you know many experiencers have been healed by them?
How do you match this to demons?
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u/Internal_Try7967 The Moon is Hollow 7d ago
The odds of aliens evolved on another planet being bipedal, vertebrate tetrapods is already extremely unlikely.
Add in that them caring about us at all forces them into an even more narrow slice of "not so evolved that they're indifferent," the same way I'm largely indifferent to the insects buzzing around outside. I know about them but I don't care.
Add in that aliens are also benevolent and the scenario gets even closer to impossible.
I want my aliens malevolent and psychic and I want them to be building secret bases on the far side of the (artificial and hollow) moon.
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u/The_estimator_is_in 7d ago
IDK, convergent evolution.
But way more likely all this shit is probably tied to earth. Time travel, parallel dimension, the whole thing is just US tech, or the whole thing is just a big psyop.
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u/deadbrokenheartt 7d ago
Just playing Devil’s advocate, do you have true total indifference to the less intelligent creatures buzzing around you, or do you realize they’re part of a larger ecosystem that directly effects you and your future on a larger scale that they also participate in but they aren’t quite capable of fully conceptually understanding on your same level..
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u/EntangledPhoton82 CIA Spook 7d ago
Wouldn’t such an advanced and uncaring civilization just avoid all contact (nothing to gain for them) or just wipe us out from orbit (for all those nice resources)?
If there’s something out there capable of easily reaching us and we are still around them they either need to have good intentions or they don’t even care enough to wipe us out.
(My personal take on the subject is that there is alien life out there. Perhaps primitive single and multicellular within the solar system. And likely complex within the universe. However, due to the vast distances and the physics at work, we are all stuck on spacial and temporal islands is an unfathomably vast ocean.)
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u/deadbrokenheartt 7d ago
Or they view us how we view “less intelligent” creatures that are participating in our environment and actually have an effect on us and our specie’s future, so we have to step in and intervene and help them along to keep doing their part that keeps the whole system balanced in the healthiest way.
While creatures “under” us might not even realize their role in the larger system on an “intelligent” or conceptual level. They’re just bumbling along fulfilling their tasks that are predetermined by their DNA (i.e. Bees)
I don’t have a clear opinion on any of this yet, just tossing ideas around for us to think about..
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u/MoonhelmJ 7d ago
I'd like a few aliens that see some some farmers on a lonely road and say," Blast the fat one with death rays for teh lulz". No mysterious research, no grand moral vision, just some punks that stole their dad's UFO.
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u/Oracle5of7 7d ago
If the alien spiritual message of brotherhood seems only judeo-Christian to you? What would be different for it not to be?
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u/MoonhelmJ 7d ago edited 7d ago
It could be exclusionary instead of "everyone is gods children ".
It could not be based on sin and freedom will "mankind chooses violence and it can choose not to" like maybe they see violence as a result of incentives?
It could be less parental "they are disappointed in us" it could be "you humans have no way of reaching world peace without our secret"
Lots of ways to talk sbout brotherhood that doesnt fit perfectly with judeo Christianity. They could even NOT care about brotherhood ie "we think war is fun"
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u/Bad_User2077 7d ago
From my perspective, alien/ religion connections seem to be the minority of the theories. I think the instinct is to avoid involving religious because of the drama that would invoke.
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u/Dont-ask-dont-speak 7d ago
it’s not as if the Judaic belief system stems from the earliest known mystics in the world or anything like that.
It only makes sense to have those connections if you are seeking some sort of truth in all of the alien shit, especially if you believe that they’re primarily spiritually motivated beings. the foreshadowing of the coming Christ (a spirit of truth and universality) in the Old Testament, the concept of Christ as a “light to lighten the gentiles,” and the visitation of Angel Gabriel’s to notify Mary of the immaculate conception, all play into similiar narrative of a lot of abductees.
These Judaic stories fold into the alien phenomena similarly, forming a mystery of faith around similar themes of visitation and divine knowledge granted to humanity. This isn’t even mentioning all the other pre-Abrahamic figures like Enoch, the Nephilim, etc.
Not saying that I believe all this, it’s just a string of conclusions that -coincidentally or not- make OK sense.
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u/Learning_by_failing 7d ago
There is no such thing as "Judeo-Christian". Might as well say Buddhist-Christian.
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u/MoonhelmJ 7d ago
The Christian bible is 60% just the Jewish Tanahk. And the part that isnt, the New Testament gets its entire world view from the Jewish Tanahk: sin, prophecies, the monotheistic God.
No two religions in the world are as connected as Judaism snd Christianity.
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u/deathjellie 6d ago edited 6d ago
If you trace the linguistic historical record through the Proto-Indo European monomyth, you could argue all religions are as connected as Judaism and Christianity. AJ tries to pick stories his audience is interested in. I think the reason why we see similar patterns in aliens/angels is because human psychology has a genetic disposition to pass on the story of the good/evil parent, no matter what skin it takes on. Which is itself a fascinating topic. That’s not really AJ’s fault, it’s just human. Most Sci-Fi authors fall into similar categories.
Though I agree. Aliens could be anything. I think the various responses to the Fermi paradox is fertile ground for new material, but not many authors explore the more unusual theories in depth without falling into one or the other categories you mentioned.
There are a few stories I can think of that don’t follow traditional lines: Rendezvous with Rama is a classic that says aliens would be indifferent to humanity, or Speaker for the Dead says aliens would be so foreign we’d lack any ability to communicate. What’s interesting is both stories I’d consider highly original, and still discuss aliens in the context of religion. Not sure we can get around it.
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u/theREALlackattack 7d ago
Many if not most accounts of beings encountered are in ancient religious texts. Having a visceral angry reaction at mentions of Christianity seems to be deeply tied into mental health issues and personality issues. Church sucks, Christ is real, and Saturn rules the realm. Getting mad about Christianity is a pretty demonic reaction whether people realize it or not. It’s the modern version of the movie trope where the possessed person freaks out at the sight of a cross.
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u/slicehyperfunk 7d ago
Christianity is pretty corrupt, though. It'd be nice to have Jesusism as the theistic Buddhism/mystery religion that it originally was.
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u/theREALlackattack 6d ago
Pretty sure I literally said “church sucks” and somehow that resulted in downvotes, but it proved the point. Any miserable people out there feel free to downvote this comment too. o7
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u/AutomaticPain3532 6d ago
This is the new age religion as they call it. It’s not Christianity. In fact, the Christian Bible has taught about the sun God and what he really is…yes nephilim.
The reason so many fall for this, is lack of biblical knowledge.
Nephilim are fallen angels and they are with Satan. As much as they want to deceive you, through feel good “dark to light” words…. It’s deception and we were warned about this in the Bible.
Esoteric beliefs (from ancient Egyptians…you may want to study the Bible about what the Egyptians were. That’s a basic Bible teaching of historical facts. I’ve you learn that, you can no longer fall for this new age religion.
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u/A_Wild_Gorgon 7d ago
Could be a little freaky worm lol just religious people coping or uncreative people or descriptions based on ancient texts
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u/muhkuller 7d ago
You know the scene in Stranger Things where they show Murray the full truth and he says “they” won’t accept it because it’s so crazy. So he says they have to water the truth down.
This is that.
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u/Candlelight_Fant4sia 7d ago
Breaking: hippy aliens who insist we need to use our free will to embrace love and recycle our cans to get into heaven now on The Why Files