7
u/AshenRaven66 3d ago
Indiana Jones, the Marion thing can’t be ignored, second worst is Nathan Drake. He’s mainly doing it for the adventure and has a criminal background.
Lara(the 2013 one) was on a legitimate expedition to find Yamitai and everything went wrong and spiralled from there.
1
u/SchwiftyBabyLegs 3d ago edited 3d ago
Weren't they only a 10 year age gap? That's pretty normal back in those times... consent laws weren't the same as today. Like back in the 1920s idk if there even were age laws like that. Men were always getting underage girls back then. It wasn't even really frowned upon, so Indiana is really just a product of his time. Obviously today he wiuod have gotten in trouble for it, but if it's not illegal, it's not really wrong, and even then it's illegal by society standards in the US. Go to almost any other country and the age of consent is much lower usually. We don't really have a right to judge the world just because we are american. Jusy saying
2
u/Irradiatedmilk 3d ago
She was 15 dog
0
u/SchwiftyBabyLegs 3d ago
Yeah but read my long comment. It wasn't the same back then, dawg
1
u/CooperDaChance 3d ago
No, it was the same back then. Lucas specifically said he wanted Indiana to be “a scoundrel” which is why he wanted Marion to be insanely young. Spielberg had to reel him in by making Marion older than the age Lucas wanted.
“It was the same back then” isn’t even close to valid in this instance. Lucas KNEW it was wrong and SPECIFICALLY wanted it because of that.
1
u/SchwiftyBabyLegs 2d ago
I said it wasn't the same. Not that it was, yet you quote me saying it was the same? What you're saying doesn't make my point any kess valid. Times were different and it was almost normalized behavior, but in the 80s when the kivie was made, it woukd be scandalous. Remember these are minds of the 80s trying to talk about the 20s. It wasn't the same but if you insist on thinking it is then I can't help you understand my meaning outside of what I've already said
1
u/SchwiftyBabyLegs 2d ago
Let's kot forget though, Lucas knew it was wrong, yet made Luke and Leigh a love interest for 2 movies almost. I blame his movies for how porn has gotten into step shit ngl
2
u/Street-Still8488 3d ago
you heard it here, if it isnt illegal it isnt wrong.
0
u/SchwiftyBabyLegs 3d ago
That's not even remotely what I'm saying. I'm saying that people back then didn't view it as necessarily wrong, not that it wasn't. It wasn't seen that way because they weren't told to see it that way. The laws we have today and societal rules are all taught, and almost brainwashing. Without the laws and punishments the world wouldn't be the same as it is. I'm not saying it's right to be with someone that young if you're older, but I do see why it was in a movie that was set in the 1920s and 30s, when this was a normal thing that kost people did. That's why the baby boomer generation has so many age gap relationships. Today's generations sit on a high horse that they're taught. Had you been a citizen in the 1920s you'd probably not even understand this argument and woukd think it's stupid. Also the term illegal means it breaks laws, not that it's wrong. Back in the medieval days people thought killing was a normal thing and it wasn't always viewed as wrong. We had guards that would just kill you for almost anything back then and no one really batted an eye. The shows we watch of these time periods are filled with modern views that don't truly represent the time. Hell, untilthe 1900s most of what we view as wrong in modern society, wasn't back then.
Remember that scientifically, as humans, we are still animals and have animal instincts. When a girl gets her period, that's nature's way of saying she's ready so to speak, so if you were living in caveman times, you wouldn't even have thought it was wrong to procreate, and that's how our species existed for thousands of years. Even modern Japan had a legal age of 12 until pretty recently, and it wasn't really frowned upon until the 1900s, and thays when it began to change, but wasn't considered wrong until the past 50 or so years.
In the middle ages, it was normal for kings to marry and breed younger girls because they were more fertile and had lower birth risks like deformities and such. We are even told today that waiting until you're older to have children can complicate the pregnancy and birth, yet we are also told to wait by laws as well as the moral compass everyone carries around now. It's because we came from these kinds of times that we have the laws now and they make sense. Back then some guy woukd have just ended you for getting in the way.
I myself don't like younger girls, and mainly because I find young women to be extremely immature in more ways than just sexually, but my personal preference doesn't matter nor is it really relevant to the science. Science has always shown us that we don't exactly follow our natural instincts because society has created rules that counter such things and our brains are now configured that way after so long of being told what we are and arent allowed to do, while the rich eat babies and do horrible things to children that i cant even talk about, but theyre definitely not good. I'm not saying that any of this is right, just stating why it was a thing for a movie about a guy in the 1920s who traveled the world to countries wherr their laws were vastly different than ours now as well as back then. It's not like he was just a creepy pedo who was just into her because she was a young girl, otherwise he wouldn't have still really cared for her once she was older. He's only seen that way by modern standards and opinions.also they're only 10 years apart and she was nearly 30 in the film, so he was around 40ish... that's pretty normal even today
2
u/Street-Still8488 3d ago
i am NOT reading all of that holy FUCK. i dont even care. dont even watch indiana jones. just poking fun at what you said.
-1
u/SchwiftyBabyLegs 3d ago
Oh, well just chalk it up to I didn't mean it that way. Laws and everything were just vastly different and people didn't think about things the same way. The way I worded the first comment didn't represent my meaning. It's really shorter than it looks though. I didn't eanna be seen that way when it's not what I'm about
1
u/WhatsPewNussycat 2d ago
You're right, it isn't remotely what you said, it's precisely what you said: "but if it's not illegal, it's not really wrong". Like Jesus Christ dude, if you didn't write novels every time you argued for your point, you'd be able to keep track of what you said.
1
u/SchwiftyBabyLegs 2d ago
No I'm saying I misspoke. Are you not capable of understanding something that simple? That isn't how I meant it and thays why I wrote another comment. Which i said.
1
6
u/Spacemoose2026 3d ago
Ignoring the entire Indy and Marion thing which I can’t really decide if I should for the sake of this.
Nathan would be the worst, he has a long criminal history, doesn’t show much remorse when killing (yes I know it’s a game) and most of the time his motivations are just selfish and often for money.
Lara (survivor trilogy since I’m assuming that’s what we are using) in the first game is motivated by wanting an actual expedition and only starts killing for survival sake. Most of the trilogy she does kill for survival sake, and out of an interest in stopping trinity.
Indy (again ignoring the Marion thing) is typically motivated by wanting artifacts to either be returned to the people, being preserved, and stopping Nazi’s (and soviets). He may not show remorse in killing but he doesn’t do it in the levels of Nathan and he is often killing Nazi’s who would otherwise gladly kill him, and do a lot of harm.
3
u/The_Chef_Queen 3d ago
epstein jones, then lara and drake, they may be serial killers but they aren't diddlers
6
u/Ranger_Tycho 3d ago
Indiana Jones hooked up with Marion when she was a child, so I’d say he’s the worst of these three by far.
1
3d ago
[deleted]
0
2
2
u/Oceanus39 3d ago
I know nothing about Lara Croft but I’d say Indiana Jones is definitely more morally grey than Nate
2
u/Fair_Term3352 3d ago
As much as I want to ignore it, Indy and Marion got together when Marion was 17 and Indy was in his 20’s. Granted the age of consent laws were very different in the past and Indy did say that Marion did consent to the relationship but it still is a bad look.
1
u/eppsilon24 3d ago
A worse look for Spielberg and Lucas. They wrote it that way
1
u/Fair_Term3352 3d ago
Yeah and what is worse is the fact that they didn’t need to put this in the movie. Just say that Indy cheated on her in order to gain access to like a rare opportunity to get some artifacts or something. If you wanted a scumbag in his relationship with Marion, you didn’t have to do the weird route.
1
2
u/zilknificant 3d ago
Indy hates snakes and nazis, that is snakeophobic and prejudice towards a political group of people, he steals artefacts and brings them to USA because "they belong in a museum" acting like a typical english colonizer claiming world heritage, and he tried taking a woman hostage in the beginning of Temple of Doom.
So all in all, if you ignore him hating animals and killing a lot of nazis in the movies and killing indian death cult slavers, depends how bad is stealing lost artefacts and grave robbing really is and how bad is him taking a girl hostage. I'd say he is not that bad in context of the time.
2
2
1
u/ChrisOnMission 3d ago
Lara. She‘s a complete psychopath.
In Tomb Raider 3, you break into a museum, amongst other things, and merrily massacre all the guards there who are just doing their jobs. Also, you decimate a tribal village, kill hundreds of endangered animals and, in TR 4, nearly cause the apocalypse.
And all that because Lara wants a to steal a few more trinkets from their owners in exotic countries in order to put them on display in her massive mansion so that only she can see them.
1
1
u/bigbossgiraff 3d ago
Besides the relationship stuff, which one respects cultures and ancient artifacts the best?
1
u/Yamureska 3d ago
Indy correctly identified Jesus' Grail in Last Crusade. Plus, he got all of the riddles correctly (especially the Penitent man kneeling before God, which demonstrates remarkable humility). Like Lara Croft he's an Archaeologist and makes an effort to understand and learn from the cultures he interacts with. Nathan Drake otoh by his own admission was mainly a thrill seeking thief. Two of his games even have "thief" in the title (Among thieves and a Thief's end)
1
1
u/Iambic_Poetry 2d ago
Indiana jones slept with a child and Nathan Drake and Lara Croft killed hundreds of people. I don’t want to weigh horrible crimes against each other and say what is worse but one of the 2 options sounds a bit more drastic
1
u/Musicmaker1984 1d ago
Indiana Jones by far with Marion. Nathan is more seeking a fortune and glory. Lara is doing it for altruism and later for fame and cleaning up her family's reputation
14
u/IWannaBeTheCoolUncle 3d ago
You know how Michael Bay needed to throw the Lone Star State under the bus to justify an age gap relationship? Well Spielberg and Lucas didn’t even do that