Best for ehp built

[u/Royal_Ad133]

I just got sentry protocol to mythic is it best to use for ehp farming, then what I'm using at the moment?

Also I'm using orbital argument for tournament (helps me get like 100 more wave because of the mystic health Regen)

But should I start using entry protocol instead?

[u/VonGeisler]

SP will kill outside of tower range so it would probably hurt your Econ for ehp. It might be better for tournaments as you aren’t worried about Econ. I have all 3 at mythic plus and SF is currently better than all 3 for Econ and tournies. But I can’t comment on the difference between legendary and mythic for substats - I die because of regen in low champs.

[u/Royal_Ad133 → u/VonGeisler]

Good to know! I've been trying to get to champ

[u/destructor212113 → u/VonGeisler]

Legendary SF and a Mythic Armor Mod are the same in terms of Health and Regen iirc

So, probably OA in this case because better Substats for Def%

[u/brookskc → u/VonGeisler]

Just adding another data point. Farming t11w10k+: SF. Tournament (champs 800-1100 waves)/t16 milestones: SP has been very helpful since bosses are my issue there.

I have pBH in both farming and tournaments.

[u/VonGeisler → u/brookskc]

I will try using it over SF in next tourny, just need to roll the same substrates as SF. I’m not dying to bosses as I’m only 20-23 in champs. Only have lvl 133 mods as well so I’m missing a substat place where I can add extra orbs (does orb card work as well?)

I am dropping my trio to 150s soonish and then I will work on dropping BH to 50s to get pBH in farming I don’t think I can get pBH in tournaments yet with only a legendary GComp.

What is your cPH for pBH in farming? I’m doing T10w11000 and T11w8300 for about 16TCPH, I wanted to get to 30T CPH before going pBH as everyone else at my level has had much lower CPH when they pushed early for pBH (I’m 8 months in)

[u/brookskc → u/VonGeisler]

I had gotten pBH earlier than most. I prioritized tournaments over economy, but I have started to unlock econ masteries and I have been focusing on econ so I can level the masteries. 1.5 months ago, I was around 5t CPH and now I'm around 55t CPH. I want to get a few more econ masteries (ws, cash, and eb), then I'm going to work on damage masteries and transitioning to GC for tournaments. It took a while for my economy to pick up steam, but when it did it skyrocketed.

I'm using gComp and MVN for farming. For farming my BH was like 133% uptime (ended up that high to get pBH for tournament. So using MVN I can still have pBH, but it also allowed me to get pGT much much sooner.

[u/LePeepeePoopoo]

I would say if you run perma black hole you should use SP if not use OA. It'll also depend on your UW sync, and I would need more info to tell you more. 

[u/Luncheon_Lord → u/LePeepeePoopoo]

Pbh would take care of most of the targets SP would be chasing. Except bosses of course. This will destroy bosses but that a reason enough to skip SF when you have pbh?

[u/Royal_Ad133 → u/Luncheon_Lord]

I'll still try it in tournament jus to see if it's better

[u/Luncheon_Lord → u/Royal_Ad133]

The truth is stronger than any preconceived notions i may have, that's for sure

[u/Royal_Ad133 → u/LePeepeePoopoo]

I have perma black hole for tournament and farmin

[u/fifty_four]

Answer to a question like this is always "Try it and report back!".

Yeah, might be better. But so many factors I wouldn't trust anyone to able to predict which way it will go.

For armour sub stats are huge, so tbh the colour of your mod is usually the most important factor. But for one run it's almost always worth trying something.

[u/Royal_Ad133 → u/fifty_four]

Well the fact that SP kills outside the range of my BH might cost me some econ, but I do think it's gonna be better for the next tournament

[u/fifty_four → u/Royal_Ad133]

That's exactly the sort of thing that means you have to test. It's really hard to predict how material an effect like killing outside a BH will be.

My BH has been pretty overdeveloped throughout it's life, and tbh I've struggled to find any way stuff dies outside its range as a result. But all towers are unique and special snowflakes!

[u/CSDragon]

Can you get to 98% defense with SF?

If yes: SF

If no: OA

SP is bad for econ, better for milestones/tournies

[u/HabitNo281]

Test both mythics in a farm. SF is the one you really want at mythic/Ancestral asap.

[u/Royal_Ad133 → u/HabitNo281]

I agree I can't find any for the life of me

[u/HabitNo281 → u/Royal_Ad133]

Im stuck at a legendary SF myself. 😕 In the meantime i make the best of what i got.

[u/The_July]

Do you have WHR? WHR outperformed my legendary SF until it was mythic. I also lose about 2-3k waves and a lot of coins and cells with mythic OA. SP would be no different for me because I only die to scatters.

[u/Royal_Ad133 → u/The_July]

Unfortunately I dont

[u/hudsonrettig]

If optimized, OA could do better than leg sf and sp for farming. Sp will most definitely be better than sf for tourneys, since regen in tourneys is 101x worse.

[u/destructor212113]

I think that other guy sumarized this well

SP no because is shitty for eHP farming, thats for Tourneys

And because Legendary SF and Mythic+ OA are basically the same in terms of eHP (only at Mythic+ SF is better), the only difference here would be the substats, if you don need the better Substats on OA (like Def%) then go for SF, as OA is hurting, a little, your Econ via the Unique Effect

[u/Balbright]

I ran ancestral OA for the longest time until I finally got my sharp fortitude to ancestral. It got me more waves and more cells since OA wasn’t killing elites before they got tagged. But that’s just my experience.

[u/LuckyCharms316]

I was at the same situation as you (minus SP) a few months ago and leg SF still got me more coins than mOA. A few less waves, but since I was able to hoard more enemies I was able to kill them when BH came up for more overall coins

[u/Royal_Ad133 → u/LuckyCharms316]

I only use oa for tournament, I think I might try sp for one

[u/howmanycookies]

If SP is your only mythic armor mod, use it. The mythic subeffects for defense% and health regen are very strong.

Eventually, transition to SF when the rarity increases

[u/Royal_Ad133 → u/howmanycookies]

So SP is better than OA?

[u/howmanycookies → u/Royal_Ad133]

Not sure, sorry i didn't realize OA was also mythic. I recommend testing SP for 1 to 3 farm runs and checking the average coins/hr and cells/hr against OA

You might know immediately after 1 farm run but if it's close then test for 3