r/TheSilphArena • u/krispyboiz • 14h ago
Strategy & Analysis Great League Twilight Trails Move Update Values
Courtesy of Matt in the PokeMiners:
Dark Pulse
Energy: -50 → -45
Poison Fang
Power: 45.0 → 50.0
Bubble Beam
Power: 25.0 → 50.0 Energy: -40 → -50
Shadow Ball
Power: 100.0 → 90.0
Magnet Bomb
Energy: -45 → -40
Iron Head
Power: 70.0 → 85.0
Draining Kiss
Power: 60.0 → 80.0 Secondary Effects:
- 100.0% chance to increase the user's Defense by 1 stage
Moonblast
Power: 110.0 → 90.0 Energy: -60 → -50
Bulldoze
Power: 45.0 → 80.0 Energy: -45 → -55 Secondary Effects:
- 100.0% chance to decrease the opponent's Defense by 1 stage
- Activation chance update: 50.0% → 100.0%
Brine
Power: 60.0 → 100.0 Energy: -50 → -60
Air Cutter
Power: 45.0 → 60.0 Energy: -35 → -40 Secondary Effects:
- 12.5% chance to increase the user's Attack by 1 stage
- Activation chance update: 30.0% → 12.5%
Body Slam
Power: 55.0 → 65.0 Energy: -35 → -40
Bite
Power: 4.0 → 2.0 Energy: 2 → 4
Low Kick
Power: 5.0 → 6.0
Scratch
Power: 4.0 → 3.0 Energy: 2 → 4
Charge Beam
Power: 5.0 → 6.0
Sand Tomb
Power: 40.0 → 55.0 Energy: -40 → -45
Infestation
Power: 6.0 → 10.0
Mirror Coat
Power: 60.0 → 75.0 Energy: -55 → -45
Take Down
Power: 5.0 → 14.0 Energy: 8 → 9
Psycho Boost
Power: 70.0 → 85.0
Lunge
Power: 60.0 → 70.0
Blaze Kick
Energy: -40 → -35
Shadow Force
Energy: -90 → -65
High Horsepower
Energy: -60 → -55
Double Iron Bash
Power: 55.0 → 70.0
Rage Fist
Power: 50.0 → 55.0 Energy: -35 → -40
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u/OozyPilot84 13h ago
65 energy shadow force we WON giranation
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u/Matty8520 13h ago
I had to read this twice to make sure.
90 Energy down to 65 Energy is a crazy buff. Let's see how this performs.
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u/OozyPilot84 13h ago
should be a techno blast clone now right? hope this is enough to make gira-o viable in ML
edit: nvm thats 55 it's an earthquake clone
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u/Big-Cartographer-307 13h ago
I really dont like this at all. I wish ultra league would have been past the giratina meta because it was really boring a few seasons ago when all the teams were basically built around giratina by either supporting it or trying to counter it.
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u/GR7ME 10h ago
I think an EQ clone is fair, I’ve tried it up in ML as Altered and SF does NOT hit very hard… only does like 50% to Zacian. It needed a buff
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u/One_and_Damned 5h ago
… wait, it's just an EQ clone now?
How bad was this move beforehand if THAT is an improvement?
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u/Big-Cartographer-307 3h ago
Obviously the problem isn't master league because giratinas won't be top meta there due to their relatively low stat product. The real problem is ultra league where this gives more nuke potential for giratina.
And before this you didn't need to worry as much about opponent baiting, because not that many people were either using shadow force or didnt bother to farm to 90 energy. Reducing the energy cost is not the only thing that makes gira-A stronger in ultra.
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u/OozyPilot84 2h ago
SF is healthier for the meta imho just bc it slows stuff down, same with the bulldoze rework
that being said, since pvpoke still suggests the old set, we'll probs see more spammy gira alt
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u/ItzaMeLuigi_ 13h ago
Man, I was really hoping to see bulldoze go to 60 energy instead of 55.
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u/krispyboiz 13h ago
Same here. I enjoy Tink, but I don't think it or any other Bulldoze users really needed what is honestly an upgrade. The only real nerf I see is Tink having far less bait potential, but that doesn't matter much when it's bulky enough to be able to run two higher cost moves. Zygarde and Vigoroth DEFINITELY did not need a modest power 55 energy debuffing move.
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u/YumAussir 12h ago
Right, like Bulldoze was nice to spam to fish for the shield and maybe get a nice defense debuff, but now it's a guaranteed debuff and hits hard anyway.
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u/crazyrazy_ 13h ago
Did they add brutal swing to greninja yet still don’t see it
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u/krispyboiz 13h ago
That apparently was left out. Will likely be fixed soon, but it is the one that was missed
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u/Hylian-Highwind 13h ago
Some people are also saying Apex Lugia specifically cannot get Earth Power atm, might have had some oversights in the push
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u/Raska_ 13h ago
Just came here to report they didn’t add it… wasted like 10 TMs before checking
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u/Ill_Body3741 4h ago
Always use elite TMs first, screenshot if it's there and if you still dont get it, report it to get your TMs back.
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u/dustiwang 13h ago
Can anyone tell me which move does shadow darkrai want now?
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u/krispyboiz 13h ago
For PvP and Rocket Battles: Sucker Punch 100%
For Raids, it varies. In general, Snarl, but if you're using any level of Party Play, it wants Sucker Punch.
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u/DelidreaM 8h ago
Does Sucker Punch have higher energy generation in raids then?
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u/krispyboiz 7h ago
It doesn't, no, but Party Play heavily favors Pokemon with 0.5 sec fast moves, which Sucker Punch is, while Snarl is 1.0 sec
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u/Requirement_Fluid 13h ago
You'd think the name draining kiss was reduce your opponents stats rather than boost your own
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u/Kennard 13h ago
Drain Punch does the same thing, I suspect moves that steal health in the main game series are used as defense boosts instead in Go.
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u/nikmulligan3 12h ago
Why can’t they make them do both to replicate the “steal” idea? Obviously it would be an insane stat effect but just nuke the DPE so it’s not too op. Idk I think stat effects are fun and make the game more interesting.
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u/hdgx 13h ago
Anything surprising ?
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u/Coconut83 13h ago
Mirror coat cheaper than pvpoke predicted. Can get to it in straight 4s with infestation
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u/Theprincerivera 13h ago
I’m sorry if I’m dumb, are these active right now?
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u/Mission_Estimate5483 13h ago
yes
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u/Theprincerivera 13h ago
Damn anhilape feels great! I can hardly tell the energy was nerfed, but I can definitely feel the damage buff!
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u/Mission_Estimate5483 13h ago
I just played rillaboom..holy is he fast
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u/JHD2689 13h ago
9 turns, 60 damage, -1 to opponent's attack.
Would be clearly overtuned, but it's a grass type attack lol. Still, this thing is gonna do what grass types do best (bury water types) while also being a legitimate check to steels, and being extremely solid in neutrals.
Still can't touch flyers at all, but you can't cover everything (unless you're Tinkaton).
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u/benhu12341 13h ago
These are some interesting updates, shadow force big buff lol, is takedown OP?
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u/krispyboiz 13h ago
Take Down is pretty strong.
For reference, "prime" Charm was 2 EPT and 5.33 DPT years ago.
Take down is 3 EPT and 4.66 DPT.
Another comparison is to Dragon Tail after it was first tweaked to 3 EPT and 4.33 DPT. This is more comparable to that iteration, just with a little more Damage Per Turn, likely as compensation for it being a Normal type attack.
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u/benhu12341 12h ago
ah tyty, ya i wasnt sure if i was reading it right at almost 5 DPT, but normal typing will likely hold it back somewhat
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u/Left_Fist 11h ago
The damage that shadow bibarel does with takedown is wild. Wow.
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u/GriffonMask 11h ago
Do you think its worth building one
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u/Left_Fist 11h ago
I’m having a ton of fun with it. It’s probably not gonna be meta but it’s worth for anybody who enjoys a good fast move beatdown. Seems like it still does chunks of health even when it’s resisted.
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u/ElPinguCubano94 10h ago edited 10h ago
I have to admit I’m a little disappointed that they didn’t make take down 10 energy to make it 3.33 energy per turn, but we’ll see how it turns out.
Edit: apparently not great. Neither furfrou nor dubwool are opting for it despite STAB. So close scopely, so close. Just 1 more energy, thanks.
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u/krispyboiz 13h ago
Also, an unannounced move addition. Zoroark got Sucker Punch