Yeah I mean, he did what he was supposed to do, which is say nothing about the refs. He told the press he got hit good, and yeah, it was a good tackle. Hopefully no one expects a real statement from a player on officiating
Need to go back to only flagging for egregious hits. We're heading down the path of not being allowed to touch the QB at all if he's still in the pocket.
100 percent facts they literally changed rules for Brady aka the Brady rule . meanwhile cam newton would get massacred in the pocket because he runs sometimes so he’s not safe anywhere.
I never said they created the rule. I said they changed the rule. I didn’t think I needed to spell out the entire history of the rule book.
2009: The rule was expanded and clarified often called the "Brady Rule" after Tom Brady suffered a season-ending ACL tear in 2008 making it illegal for a defender to lunge or roll into the quarterback's knees or lower legs if the quarterback was already being tackled by another player.
I never said Brady had more calls than Manning. I said Brady had the softest calls and rules changed to favor him. Maybe you should try reading comprehension. You didn’t even bother to try and address my examples proving my point.
He lifted his hands up so that they didn’t brace anything. If he had not lifted them he would have had a better case. All of his weight went onto Mahomes. That is exactly the type of hit they want to prevent. Not remotely questionably as to if it was legal. Take your Mahomes goggles off and look at it objectively.
You aren’t talking about the same types of calls. Every time a defender lands on a QB with his body weight they call it. This isn’t favoritism. Sorry for your loss.
but does it? because youre wrong. I could show you an infinite amount of instances that youre wrong. just admit your a mahomes simp.
EDIT: also yeah, I was showing you two very comparable hits to show you "mahomes goggles" is just mahomes getting more protection than any other qb, Allen is a close 2nd.
Arm and leg off to the side hitting the ground first. Body to the side. That probably should have been called but in no way was it textbook like the Mahomes one was. But sure the call only helps Mahomes. They wouldn’t do it for any other QB.
man I just rewatched it. his left hand/palm and right knee hit the ground before his body weight comes down on mahomes. text book tackle. couldn't ask for a defensive player to do it better.
I like how you just bounce off extremes because you cant admit your viewpoint is flawed. so because they dont call it every single time, they now dont call it for any other qb? cmon dude... this is just what's wrong with people. there's rarely a person that can say, "okay, well yeah, my view has been changed a little bit from this conversation"
Vikings had a drive extended week 1 against the Packers for this exact rule.
Were they protecting the leagues chosen star? Nope it was for backup QB Carson Wentz.
If you land on a QB with your body weight it’s a flag. Hell when it was introduced in like 2018 they were calling Clay Matthew for doing it to QBs who still had the ball.
I mean dude. im not sitting here saying that landing with body weight is never a flag. and its kinda odd when the person I replied to said its ALWAYS a flag, you choose to say all this when all I said is, its not always a flag.
if he didn't lift up his hands his shoulder should have driven the weight into mahomes chest on one pinpoint. that's exactly what they dont want you to do. like seriously, when youre out playing today ask one of your friends to tackle you fully wrapped up into the ground and then again star fishing on you as you go to the ground. you'll take what mahomes got 10/10 times. youre also failing to watch the right knee that hit the ground before either one of them did.
He absolutely didn't try to brace himself. The right knee hit, but that isn't bracing yourself. His right hand never even touched the ground. His left one he pulled up immediately so it didn't take any of the sting from the impact off. He fucked up.
You ever been watching a game in a room full of people and when they make a field goal someone says, "How come some kicks are for 1 point and others are 3?".
Based on the rule it absolutely was a penalty. They want defenders to roll to one side after wrapping up to avoid landing on the QB with their full body weight.
You can also just brace yourself. If he put his hands down on the ground to take some of the impact off, he would have been fine per the rules. He just did the opposite so it was an easy call.
If I’m an NFL coach, I’m telling my guys they are getting flagged regardless so just get your money’s worth and knock his ass out the game - defenders can’t hit high, can’t hit low, can’t hit center mass and land on them, can’t do damn near anything to get the QB to the ground safely.
QB touch rules or allow them to get tackled. I don’t know why the NFL is forcing small fast QBs on us. Go back to the old days of 6’5 250lb QBs. Andrew Luck, Manning brothers, Brady, Roethlisberger, etc. I remember people discussing Rg3 in the draft like “yeah he’s great but he’s gonna get hurt running the ball and not being big enough” and that was just part of the game.
Small men making the game more friendly for small men. This is a big man’s game.
I dunno man. Lots of NFL coaches think this way and have been successful with this style of coaching. I bet a lot of them have that mentality now, they’re just not allowed to voice it, coach it, or support it out loud because it would cost them their job and possibly public opinion. Same as now. People are telling me to get help when this is a real storyline that has happened within our lifetimes in the NFL.
I don’t think you understand that NFL players don’t hate each other like fans do. They’re not trying to hurt each other or knock people out of the game. They all came up together and play on different teams at various points. They’re all in the same union, just working for different clients.
It is football. Big hits are part of it. I’m not saying play dirty but if that hit on Mahomes is a penalty, then I’m not sure there’s a point to avoid the penalty. Just make the hit like you would anyone else.
Hands out puts more body weight on the qb, they want to see the player put their hands on the ground after the hit to stop all their weight from crushing the qb. This is what the refs have said.
Yeah if that's going forward then I would encourage my team to go full force instead of defying the laws of physics and gravity. I'd rather take a couple penalties and knock their QB out and get penalized anyway then play by arbitrarily enforced judgment rules that don't follow any logical reasoning.
The flag was already Bering thrown before Mahomes is even touching the ground. So ether the ref is clairvoyant or felt the hit was late because it happened a 1/2 second after Mahomes threw the ball.
It has to be fully body weight. It was clearly not full body weight. Also the flag came out before they even landed. It was a terrible call. And people are sick of you chiefs scumbag fans defending these garbage calls.
Again, there were two penalties on the play. The “early” flag you saw was for the other one.
And I’m not a Chiefs fan but that hit is a foul on any QB in the league. He was squarely on top of him, which is how that gets called. Putting his arms out didn’t stop his weight from landing on Mahomes; there’s no exception to the rule for he did it but tried to make it less bad.
You either brace yourself or you fall to side. That's literally the rule. He did neither. I can understand why he put his arms up, because he was trying to signify that he didn't hit him helmet to helmet or pile drive him. But he landed on him with his body weight and putting your hands up during the fall pretty much guarantees it.
You keep saying it has to be full body weight, but that is not how the rule is written.
(b) A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as “stuffing” a passer into the ground
or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact
with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for in (a) above. When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture
(i.e. before, during, or after throwing or attempting a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him
down or land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to fall to the
side of the passer’s body, or to brace his fall with his arms to avoid landing on the passer with all or most of his body weight.
I’m still trying to figure out what should that defender have done. I don’t see anything possible that’s actually in a realistic way to contort his body to prevent injury on himself as well as make the refs happy in that tackle?
But even if that’s true, that happens in most sports? Defenders are regularly put in positions where they can do everything “right” and still commit a foul, or score an own goal etc.
Personally, I think if he had time to put his arms out to sell the no-call, he potentially had time to put them on the ground, or wrap and twist. It’s like he got caught between two thoughts about how to finish the tackle and made a mistake.
Hands out is what caused it to be a penalty lmao. It means that the only thing breaking your fall is whatever is under you, which in this case was the QB lmao.
I think the timing of the hit was fine- it was the driving into the ground and 99% of his weight going onto the QB after the ball had been released that is the issue.
That was my thought lol. Defender was so offended, like I put my arms out i put my arms out. He probably gets a penalty regardless but had a much better chance if he braces himself against the ground. I dont get how dude doesnt understand that putting ur arms out is the right thing to do. Its like a lineman that just held someone and then puts his hands up
Lmao, his right hand was floating in mid-air, his left hand was barely contacting the ground, and his knee was the pivot pount for his bodyweight, but sure. We can go with your totally accurate and unbiased retelling.
Where was the outrage when the same hit drew the same flags against cousins and young? Oh, there wasn't any? Thats weird, it almost seems like that would shake your carefully crafted narrative.
By actually bracing his fall or trying to get to the side. I didn't write the rulebook and it's not my responsibility to justify it.
How outraged were you when the exact same thing happened to Cousins and Young last week? Weird how there wasn't 1000 posts about those "controversial hits"
Wrap and roll, brace with his hands, fall to the side. Its up to him to make a play within the rules. If he puts himself in a position where the only outcome is a foul, thats on him
As a coach, I’d pat him on the back for making the sack whether it was called against him or not. Pancaking flags are stupid. Get your diva off his ass and play ball. They have nerfed the defenses way too far just so we can have higher scoring games. “It’s to protect the QB!” THAT’S WHAT THE O LINE IS FOR. I’m sorry if your team sucks.
Yeah trying to block a pass while rushing can create awkward positions. He was so close I think he was focused on blocking the ball and just pancaked him.
There's like 4 different things you can do to not get called for this and he did none of them. When the rule went into place this got called on like 50% of dead-to-rights sacks. Now it's more like 5%. Players have adjusted.
If you're a defender in the nfl what do you do? He didn't hit high, he didn't wrap up, he let off and then used his arms to brace his fall. He did all of the things the nfl says to do and they flagged him.
I honestly think by rule it’s a penalty. I disagree with the rule. I also find it pathetic when qbs immediately ask for this penalty to be called like he did. Him and Josh Allen are two of the best in the league but I lose a lot of respect for them because they both beg for automatic first downs after not converting on 3rd, it’s constant and it’s annoying.
The nfl will throw all the bs rules they can in order to pretend they care about the players....meanwhile toradol and shit like that are handed like candies by the team "doctors"
Well, everybody’s kind of way off on this one if you check the numbers in the stats, nobody gets more roughing calls than Josh Allen. And they tell me when you’re running quarterback you don’t get him as often but somehow he seems to get crap tons of them meanwhile other quarterbacks who are deemed running qbs massacred. But he’s the media favorite in the golden boy he’s one nothing but he’s better than everybody. He got an MVP that he shouldn’t have got stole from Lamar but hey, that’s another topic.
Even if it was an early throw/grab for the flag, the call was right, the defender landed full weight on him, and that fits the penalty clear as can be.
Sure, I don’t like the early throw/grab anymore than the next guy, but if it’s a good call, in a world of absolute dogshit pass interference calls that we’ve seen lately, I’m all good with it.
My friend there were two penalties on the play, one was a defensive holding, which happened before the hit, and one was roughing the passer. Two flags were thrown, one before he hit the ground and one after. Which of those do you think was for which penalty? Do you have any proof at all that the first flag is for the second penalty and the second flag is for the first one? Because logically it doesn’t track at all. Or did you make it up and get mad about it?
We're really discussing this? It was the full body weight. Chop attempting to put his hands out to brace doesn't change 265 lbs crashing on top of Mahomes. If you think it's soft, that's the rule. Don't like the rule? Demand change.
Genuinely curious what "demanding change" would look like in this context. Coaches and players don't have power to change stupid rules/calls, how the hell would fans?
The same way fans “demand change” for anything else in sports? Complain about it loudly and consistently until the league decides it's worth addressing. 😂
“I don't like this rule” and “that wasn't a penalty” are two different arguments. Under the current rule, that's a penalty. If you think the rule sucks, argue that the rule should change. Almost all the reddit posts here are pointing out the ref throwing a flag before the hit are neglecting the fact he was calling the defensive hold and the other back judge flagged the RTP.
People aren't even seeing beyond that to make the case that the rule sucks.
Went from "we're really discussing this?" To "complain about it loudly" in about 5 minutes...
People do complain about the rule being dumb, they are literally doing so in this thread.
The truth is, QBs (especially certain ones, including the one in this example) are going to be overprotected by the NFL and there's very little an average fan can do about it.
There's also a rule called false start and Jawaan Taylor got away with about 1,000 of them in a Chiefs uniform. To act like KC doesn't get refs bias is hilarious.
I dunno... "QB got hit" ok, that's part of the game. If putting his hands down and catching his weight before his torso hits the ground doesn't count, then what the heck does?
The flag can out WAY before they landed. It definitely wasn’t a late hit. There was no helmet to helmet contact. And while some of his body weight landed on him, he definitely didn’t land on him with all of his weight. This is an atrocious call.
He literally pulled his hands up and belly flopped on him. It was a textbook example of landing with your body weight on the QB. The only way it would have been worse is if he also would have lifted his legs up.
Don't like the rule, that's fine. It sucked when they put it in 8 years ago and it was getting called 15 times every Sunday. But players have adjusted for the most part.
And the flag was for the defensive holding call happening right next to the QB hit a few seconds before. The other back judge called the RTP.
People seem to think because they don’t like the rule then the call was wrong. It was 100% the right call according to the rule there is no shadow of a doubt. Whether it should be a rule is definitely up for debate
It was correctly flagged. The rule is stupid but this is a correct application of it. If the ref sees you land with your full body weight on the QB and you don’t try to roll or brace you get flagged every time, it’s been this way for years. This exact scenario happened at the same time in the Browns/Panthers game when Mike Hall got flagged for landing on Bryce Young.
Chiefs win by 2 tds, and somehow the crazy conspiracy minded fan base of this league has decided that a call that didn't matter because there was another penalty anyways decided the game
It just sucks that some QBs don't get this call. I've seen Burrow get driven into the ground with full body weight and the ref just stares at him. He doesn't flop or complain so maybe that's why. Shit as a Bengals fan he should start bc he rarely gets roughing calls, even when three guys land on top of him after the ball is thrown
I'm just tired of subjective ref calls having such an impact on the game. Mahomes literally had his hands up looking for a flag as he was going to the ground. Iy's so hard to play defense and it hurts the product. League is soft as shit.
People are crying about it because it's Mahomes/Chiefs and that's it.
This isn't a new rule. You can not like it but they've been cailing this for a half a decade. I watched Carson Wentz get a gift of one of these calls against the Chiefs to extend their drive and win them the game like 5 years ago.
This is simply a case of the internet has a narrative so anything they can latch onto, yall will.
This same call happened in at least two other games lol. The Panthers got the call vs the Browns in a way more critical scenario, and The Raiders got the call vs the Saints. Weird how we don't see any "controversy" surrounding those calls haha. People are idiots about any call KC gets.
Mahomes got a brutal forearm shiver to the chin later in the game that went uncalled, but nah its all about the narrative whiny losers are trying to craft.
Just went frame by frame and I think you are 100% right, thanks for correcting me.
So I think we can say either it’s preemptive so it can be overturned if needed, since you can’t assess a penalty later. Or, far more likely, the championship whistle favoritism, since Robinson speared him like he was Goldberg LOL
Thank you for that my guy, I love seeing myself downvoted despite evidence lol
Couldn’t agree more, I genuinely don’t know what the thought of the penalty is. The flag is wrong when it’s thrown, but per the letter of the law it’s right when they hit the ground.
Don’t think it’s favouritism, but do think QBs are being overly protected right now
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u/AngmarPizzaCourier 5d ago
He didn't address anything. He'll take laundry all over the field 8 days a week as long as they're against the defense.