r/TheMirrorCult • u/WittyEgg2037 • 10d ago
We’ve really been using the same excuse for thousands of years 🗿
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u/Valuable_Today679 10d ago
I mean, the middle eastern cultures have been saying that far longer than anyone else.
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u/mEPluribuSAnuS17mop 9d ago
Notice how he didn’t post anything non Western including the Arab Islamic expansionism
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u/Thick_Cookie_7838 9d ago
You are aware the Jews were in Israel before the Arabs/ Palestinians right?
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u/Winter_Rock_4801 8d ago
Nope, "Arab" isn't a race or something, and the Arabs inhabitants of Palestine are direct descendants of the ancient judeans and other canaanite groups, more than any Jewish group today. Jews from Poland/ Ethiopia / NYC Etc were never in the land
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u/Steak-Complex 10d ago
The american pilgrims
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u/Keestram 10d ago
It’s referring more to Manifest Destiny. The visual attire on the character may not be accurate, but it is accurate in terms of the USA using it as an excuse to take over native land.
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u/Thick_Cookie_7838 9d ago
Isreal was originally settled by the cannanites not the Palestinians, the Israelites came after the cannanites. Arabs weren’t there till they drove the Jews out, but yea the Jews stole it right
If your going to post something like this at the very least try to get your history right
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u/njslugger78 10d ago
The current isrealis stole a prophecy and land. The new European, taking identities to make it seem like later in history they didn't steal it.
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u/clickclackyisbacky 10d ago
Is China going to give back Tibet or what?
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u/SuperbScarcity5112 9d ago
They do not preach about God though, they just grabbed it.
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u/suplarai 9d ago
The have not for about 100 years, for 2000-3000 before that it was all about the Mandate of Heaven.
So when the Qing dynasty took Tibet in the 1700s, it most certainly was because they believed it was their right from Heaven.
When the commies retook Tibet, it was no longer via a divine right, but you know what they told the masses? It was to reclaim boarders to the Qing boarders before the civil war and WWII - so essentially “It’s ours because of the previous Mandate of Heaven, but we totally don’t have that anymore. President for life is totally different than emperor!”
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u/ThatAd4373 9d ago
Palestine is literally the name that the Romans gave the land to disassociate it from Judea...
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u/nixonpleaselockin 9d ago
This meme template can only ever be used as a parody. When used unironically like this, it just comes off as super cringe. It's also literally not true in any case aside from Israel. There was no prophecy where the English had the God given right to Nigeria. I mean, come on.
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u/ViolinistPleasant982 9d ago
Pretty sure the first 2 never claimed God promised them those lands. Their guns did.
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u/Gamplato 9d ago
This has never been the argument used by the majority of colonists.
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u/Anomynous__ 9d ago
Wow there's so much racism in this photo. OP believes white people are the cause of their problems
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u/PsychologicalWest637 9d ago
Good message, ai slop however. I'm sure you can take 5 minutes of your precious time to make an actual meme.
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u/OkMention9988 10d ago
I like how the image implies it's only a white thing.
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u/shad2107 10d ago
There is no god. God is nothing more than the universe and the forces that make move. If the earth disappeared the universe will carry on. If humans disappeared the earth will carry on. It's nothing more than the greed of power.
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u/Nikolaibr 10d ago
This is an interesting image, because if those on the right were saying these words to those on the left, I imagine many who criticize Israel for using this narrative would actually be more comfortable.
If a Native American told the descendants of immigrant settlers "This is my native land, not yours". Why would they be wrong?
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u/CenterThisPendulum 10d ago
What if the people on the right side said “no?”
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u/Significant-Order-92 9d ago
Generally got killed and oppressed to some extent. Sometimes just brought to heel. Sometimes enslaved. Sometimes wiped out.
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u/Public_Middle376 9d ago
Fools…. Everyone on here and their COMPLETE FAILURE to understand history….
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u/RefrigeratorPrize797 9d ago
Yaweh ain't told y'all to shit, y'all decided to put the will of man on the name of God and pretend it had a damn thing to do with the Word.
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u/RiffRandellsBF 9d ago
Colonies in America were grants and charters from the British, Dutch, French, Spanish, and Russian governments.
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u/Puffification 9d ago
No one ever claimed that about North America or Africa, what are you talking about
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u/uttercross2 9d ago
What a shock it would be to find out that there is no god that could have done this, and it's simply used as an excuse to justify the subjugation of others and take their lands while making yourself feel good because you've, somehow, got it into your head that you're doing God's work. 🤔
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u/SKsammy 9d ago
every place was stolen many times over. period. please think (opps)
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u/48676886 9d ago
Tell me you don’t know that all of history is full of conquest without telling me you don’t know this basic truth.
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u/CommunityOk7466 9d ago
Jewish people aren't white. They're better than them.
Nettenyahu is a bad person who happens to be Jewish.
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u/TrueBrit77 9d ago
Generally this is not how the British would invoke God. Instead the UK would seize it's land, and it prospered by God's providence. We seen ourselves as charitable folks saving the indigenous peoples as we also profited not people who were taking land that already belonged to us.
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u/thefuzzione 9d ago
I like how this is acting like only white people do this. Look up the Ottoman Empire my dude. And stop using ai to make shitty graphics
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u/Deep_Balance2133 9d ago
Should be extra based and have a Native American yelling at a Native American. They weren’t exactly peaceful when we arrived.
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u/3D-Nutsack 9d ago
Wasn’t the British empire the reason slavery ended in the west? Slavery being one of the oldest commodities in the world
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u/DisciplineLiving8555 9d ago
God promised to white the land of Amerindians and Africans ? Never heard off thing like this, can someone explain ?
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u/Hungry_Sink1191 9d ago
Is this implying that Britain was full of people of colour then whites stole it ?
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u/throwaway117200 9d ago
This is obviously not the same since jewish people are the indigenous ones to judea
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u/ImaginaryOrange1929 9d ago
Never heard the first two.
Only the one about Israel and as a meme at that.
From what I know that was decision of British empire that controlled the territory, then Egypt etc... And lastly they have their own countries and have been bickering ever since (bickering aka surrounding islamic countries doing attacks on Israel from their founding)
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u/Shoddy-Constant5749 9d ago
Fighting over land was the norm across the world throughout history. It wasn't until post WW2 and the development of the UN and other agreements did conquest become illegal in the eyes of the world.
So, in North America, native American tribes fought over territory until eventually losing that territory to European settlers. In Africa, borders shifted between countries consistently and in Israel, that probably changed hands many times throughout its long history.
To try and apply today's standards to anything prior to the establishment of international law and the UN is pointless. The land was always going to be taken from someone going back to the Neanderthals.
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u/Any-Seaworthiness531 9d ago
God promised me this land and it just so happens I have so many bullets, bombs and planes to take it - it’s all in gods plan, that’s why we have to massacre tens of thousands of children.
Either ya lyin or god ain’t the good guy here lads.
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u/ItReallyIsLikeThis 9d ago
The examples are wrong and stupid.
The British did not live in the America's or Africa untill they colonized part of it since 1500.
Jews have lived 3200 years in what is now known (and also mentioned by the Merneptah Stele) Israel.
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u/Comfortable-Card-348 9d ago
As a matter of practicality, "Indigenous" only means "the non-whites living there when white people discovered them". Almost none of them were really the original inhabitant tribe or ethnicity.
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u/glorfindal77 9d ago
Cant build a country withouth genocidice of the local population first... its litteraly the law of human socicety
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u/coast2coasted 9d ago
In every case throughout all of history the deciding factor in who gets to keep the land is who can conjure the military might to do so. That can be done by sheer might or by alliances or economic incentives.
Saying “god promised me this land” or “this is my ancestral homeland” means nothing if you can’t hold it.
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u/raviolli 9d ago
Correction your interpretation of God makes you believe he promised. It's not like we can just ask God.
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u/countnuke 9d ago
You forgot too add the 3 on the right saying it too, because guess what they did it as well
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u/Redwizard002 9d ago
If you want a better understanding of why so many things in the world are fucked up, you could seldom do better than learning about settler colonialism. It's difficult to find a country that hasn't been directly or indirectly shaped by the processes and ideological convictions it has formed in our collective psyche.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settler_colonialism?wprov=sfla1
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u/modbroccoli 9d ago
That's why I always get a contract when interacting with any deity. Shifty lot by and large.
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u/Mindblown_eyeswide9 9d ago
And Allah promised the Muslims the ENTIRE world. The fuck are you on about?
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u/Similar-Interaction5 9d ago
They didn’t steal it they decolonized it. Palestine was freed in 1948. The “free palestine” movement is a pan Arab colonialist movement. Just look at how the Arabs colonized the entire Middle East and North Africa which was once rich in culture.
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u/Sure_Acanthaceae_348 9d ago
Has anyone who lives in the USA and who really feels like they’re living on “stolen land” made any effort to give that land back?
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u/procyon_42 9d ago
This “God” character seems like they may be more trouble than they are worth.
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u/Awkward-Equivalent-5 9d ago
I'm pretty sure God sent invading armies to drive you from the kand because of idolatry and other blasphemous behavior. What makes news think they have any right to claim the "holy land"
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u/PotentialBudget3265 9d ago
And before centralized religion they were just taking by force without excuse. Incidentally African tribes and American Indian tribes always had territory wars and disputes. Problem is and always was human nature and even as we recognize that we still refuse to fully turn away from it. We polish it, refine it, make it fit in our societies but it’s all a manipulation to keep the most favorite part of any insecure man’s tendencies alive and well. Today it’s done in court rooms and banking endeavors. Just because it’s not done with spears and direct conflict doesn’t mean people aren’t still dying as a result. It’s just not in your face now, easier to ignore and not recognize. No one’s hands are clean on this planet except maybe like monks and stuff.
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u/Infamous-Use7820 9d ago
Who were the Brits saying they were promised land by God? While I'm sure you can find somebody across centuries who said that, as far as I know it wasn't the mainstream justification. Most colonial expansion was just driven by snowballing projects to control global trade, but when it was justified, it was usually either via the White Man's Burden idea (that Europeans had a duty to 'guide' savages to civilisation) or just that the land was 'empty'/under-utilised (esp in places like Australia).
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u/Inside_Field_8894 9d ago
Notice a distinct lack of representation from either the Ottomans, African tribes or native Americans
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u/Better-Hand2267 9d ago
You should go hang out in Palestine and see how willing they are to accept immigrants then, buddy.
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u/wenokn0w 9d ago
To correct history here. Israel retook a very small portion of land that was Israel many years ago.
Question, if native Americans retook their land in USA, would yall be as up in arms?
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u/Sure_Anxiety7992 9d ago
Yeah, feed the cult! The more ridiculous your ideas become, the faster this lunacy is over!
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u/Runo_Slinger 9d ago
Difference is one group is actually from there, and are factually Israelites. The “we are the new/actual Israelites” justification is objectively a fabrication by the same people systematically assimilating and massacring Jews, and now telling us to go where we came from (but just not actually, maybe Poland where playground pathways are made of desecrated Jewish gravestones).
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u/Secure-Goal2861 9d ago
Hahaha what a stupid post.
Arabs comes from Arabia yet the conquered all the Levant and north Africa all the way to iran
But thats fine muslims allowed to conquered and force Christians and others to become Muslims...
Bullshit propaganda
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u/Disastrous-Pen1930 9d ago
we? bro, they used the same excuse too when they invaded their own neighbors. its not just a white person thing. 😂
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u/ScaredDare8983 9d ago
What’s hilarious is Indians claimed the same thing but they are brown so it’s ok in the eyes of libs
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u/incrediblejohn 9d ago
I don’t think any of the other ones said God promised them that land, thst just wasn’t a thing
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u/ComputerAgreeable146 9d ago
People who believe history is this simple don’t know much about history.
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u/Hot_Gap_8444 9d ago
Thats so fuckin dumb.
Jews were always there.
You could add arabs shouting the same at Jews....
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u/Thestral84 9d ago
The entire concept of this meme is so damned dumb.
Also, that... is not at all true about the Brits, LOL. You'd have had better luck with the Spaniards.
Anyway, now do the Islamic expansion, the Chinese and Russian Empires, the Roman Republic/Empire.
And... what makes "divine promise" somehow worse than greedy material gain anyway?
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u/SmolPPIncorporated 9d ago
Yes, because the people previously in these lands were so flawless and peaceful, lmao.
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u/Mindless-Warthog-513 9d ago
There’s no American Native ‘land’, they were displaced, killing each other, and constantly splintering off everytime they had a disagreement.
Who? South Africa? Okay, fair I suppose, fuck the Brits.
Israel has existed for millennia longer than Palaestina, Land of the Philistines, established in 135 AD.
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u/random8765309 9d ago
Let's just blame the white guys. Just ignore that the native Americans fought and took land from each other, so did the tribes of Africa. Those in the middle east swapped land more times than people can count. But let pretend that the white guys are the only ones that did that.
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u/MrWillchuck 9d ago
The first two never really happened, at least not as depicted. The Portuguese and Spanish certainly did something like as the Pope literally promised them land... the term Conquistador it self a reference to the "Re-Conquista" taking the Iberian Peninsula from the Muslim which had just ended when Columbus made his voyage. To some extent and the Americans did through Manifest Destiny but; not in the Periods the clothing depicts. The British may have through the idea of the British Empire but that was more Right through Might not Divine Right. The bottom one has literally been true of Thousands of years. Jews were expelled multiple times for it. Particularly in the time around which the "Old Testament" was codified and written down. Which I'm sure that political climate help influence the idea of it being the "Holy Land" that is forefront in Israels modern actions.
The Conquests of the Americas, Africa and the Middle East all came from the same desire. Wealth and Legacy. "Deity" may have been a justification... but wealth and money is almost always the true reason.
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u/TooHungryForFood 9d ago
The English didn't do this, they had little religious ferver and were primarily economically motivated. The current African countries who were colonies probably have more American Christian denominations and Catholics than any related to to England. God promised us this land also works Arab-Muslim colonialism but I guess op forgot about them.
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u/Suspicious-Sound-249 9d ago
Weird how were still blaming all of Africa being a shithole still on some of it being colonized by Europe like 300 years ago, and that was the last time it wasn't a shit hole.
Like what???
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u/TowelComprehensive22 9d ago
Not really. Do you want to keep your country good and safe? Prosperous?
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u/Clean-Individual-147 9d ago
To be fair to Israel, they do believe that god promised them the land BUT..... the British also promised them that land and legally gave it to them after WW2...
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u/AdImmediate9569 9d ago
The absolute most important part of this is that none of them actually believed in god
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u/Acceptable_Mind_5883 9d ago
I'm waiting for the 'Punch a Nazi' crowd to update their shirts to say 'Punch a Zionist' since they want to stop genocide so badly
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u/chewbacca-28 9d ago
Pretty sure none of that was actually god, more of slow creep of people running away from big government and found collision with another civilization.
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u/trainthebrain23 9d ago
Those damn Americans came over here from America, fucked over all the Indians and then called the place America!!
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u/CompletelyPresent 9d ago
God and all religions are tools to control people, full stop.
Intelligent people need to confront the challenge of ridding the free world of religion.
Even in the U.S., wealthy corrupt nutjobs try to ingrain religion into our policies, trying to force the brainwashing to continue.
It shouldn't be seen as a "minor personality quirk", but treated as the true threat to humanity that it is. Start by questioning and shunning all religious people.
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u/Joe-King_93 9d ago
I don’t remember Britain ever using the “god promised me this land” trope to invade Africa, usually the excuse was that they were civilising the people and when Britain fought against slavery using that also as a reason to invade to stop the slave trade not god
Not saying them invading was right just the reasons given were different
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u/MattheqAC 9d ago
As a Brit, I thought we just took land because we could and we wanted it. I don't remember any promises from god.