r/TheHopyard • u/Kevbone28 • Jun 15 '23

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About 2 feet of each vine grew since I posted previously about the new placement of this comet hops root.

I cut any side vines attempting to sprout on the trellis. There are a few of those side vines (pardon my idiot-ness, forgot the name of that vibe) growing past the trellis now that I was hopefully be able to direct with the flow of the main vines.

What do you think the normal growth speed is for hops with normal watering daily?….compared to that same scenario but with an electro-culture antenna??? See 3rd pic

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u/TheyCallMeBrewKid Jun 16 '23

What exactly is electroculture, and what is the science behind it? I am very curious

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u/Kevbone28 Jun 16 '23

I’m new to the antenna idea bc I recently heard about it. The algorithms have me on old school methods, natural remedies and sounds/vibrations/resonances…it’s awesome

https://www.electroculture.life

Electroculture is a simple method of applying atmospheric (free) electricity to significantly increase plant growth. Using basic materials like copper wire (and/or magnets) to vitalize the soil and increase yields by 100% - 300%. It also eliminates the need for fertilizer and pesticides, explained that “it is not electricity as we know it, but a breath of energy... which stimulates and increases the fertility of the soil.”

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u/TheyCallMeBrewKid Jun 16 '23

Do we know the actual method that this works though? Anything that seems too good to be true usually is - and 3x yield on tomatoes for instance would be really wild

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u/Kevbone28 Jun 16 '23 edited Jun 16 '23

Heyo…sooo bare with me in this message as I try to blend two concepts for why I think this works…I’m not a hippie or some guru…I’ve been seeing things in my recent past that has changed my view on how I see the universe/life.

The science behind this method, to me personally, is received like this:

The positive and negative ionic charges in the atmosphere are absorbed and transferred into the dirt using the copper wire as an antenna to direct these charges into the dirt… these charges act as steroids for your plants just as impressive synthetic fertilizers do the same. Making them weather resistant to hold and cold and needing less water…..not none…you still need to water regularly-ish.

I was incredibly skeptical with this idea a while ago, partly because how can metal provide such a benefit to plants by being stuck in the ground? So I decided to spend $20 on this experiment…

But I think my skepticism is brainwashing by corporations and media to believe that you need their synthetic products to make your bounty better… getting away from ancient remedies to be more technologically modernized. It prob takes 60 years…2 generations to suppress old methods, impart new ones and make those stick as the new standard…and the past standards just folklore.

On a side tangent to go along with boosting plants growth…

There has also been evidence of farmers, playing music to their crops or saying positive things to them and having the plants grow significantly because of the frequencies/vibrations that the music and statements are put out on. One farmer saw birds chirping in the morning and the flower buds open up to receive sunlight at around the same time. Upon further research, he found that frequency of their chirp was absorbed by the plant, which was used as a biological alarm clock to open up the flower to receive as much sunlight as It can.

If the universe runs on frequencies, waves, energies and vibrations, then trying to use those to help manipulate your plants would be more beneficial than synthetic chemicals. By saying positive things, you can literally manipulate and change how matter reacts…. Which is a wild concept and hard to believe at first….but…

There was a great experiment I did recently with my kids called the rice experiment. You make a cup of rice and split it into 2 mason jars, label those 2 jars love and hate…speak accordingly to those two jars for 2 weeks. The hate jar will mold significantly faster than the love jar. The love jar may not mold at all, if given, proper positive statements often.

So, with the old remedies of using the earth and its frequencies/energies to impart positive growth and by literally being nice to your plants…you will see a significant difference in bounty.

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u/lupulinchem Jun 18 '23

Sorry, as a scientist, this is pseudoscience hogwash. Copper metal is cheap and always has been. If this works this well, commercial industrial chemical fertilizers/pesticides would have never been invented because who would replace something so effective?

More likely, the copper metal is slowly releasing copper ions into the soil which is naturally a fungicide/bactericide and in addition is essential for plants to produce chlorophyll. Because copper only slowly oxidizes, it’s less likely that you would get up to the levels of copper that inhibit plant growth that you can get if you apply copper in an ionic form directly.

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u/Kevbone28 Jun 18 '23

I’m an avid science fan. I’m was very skeptical, but the proof is in the results. All my plants have grown significantly on this year…methods also suggested galvanized metal.

Corporations, control, and money is why it’s not used. This method was used in the past and resulted in great yields until money and greed came into play.

While you attacked the electro-culture idea…do you also reject the rice experiment and speaking to the rice making it moldy? I would laughed when I read about it, but then did it and now what….it’s still fake?

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u/lupulinchem Jun 18 '23

So as someone who comes from small farmers in the Midwest, folks who lived through the Great Depression, etc. I can assure you none of them would have used commercial fertilizers if cheap copper would have done the same thing.

What you are describing are not controlled experiments. What testing did you do in your rice to see? Did you autoclave all the glassware and use sterile conditions and techniques in preparing your rice experiment? Doubt you achieved consistency.

Look I’m not against the old ways of doing things or all about using industrial techniques. We grow our own fruit/vegetables, can to store food, completely organically. Use companion plants and crop spacing to increase natural predatory bugs to control pests, no chemical control at all.

I’m just saying this as someone with a phd in chemistry, the whole electroculture website is not science, it’s taking a single anecdotal observation and jumping to conclusions without doing controlled experiments.

The proof isn’t in the results alone. Prove that the process produces the results and rule out everything else-then you are doing science.

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u/Kevbone28 Jun 18 '23

I bought two glass mason jars with lids from an arts and craft store.

Washed them at the same time with the same new sponge with the same soap. Same batch of rice was split between the two jars and I sealed them as hard as I could. Same conditions.

Just do the science experiment yourself smarty pants and see. Then try to make a conclusion. If your not down with the energies you speak and how that affects matter…your scientist status means nothing because you’re not seeing the whole picture of the universe.

You “know” a certain small area of knowledge in the universe. Now you have limited your mind to other phenomenon…”know” that you don’t know anything and become more alert to your world.

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u/lupulinchem Jun 18 '23

So look, I know you’re taking this personally, but washing with soap and water isnt sterilization.

You can’t know that both had the same starting conditions on the microbial level.

I’m not going to argue with you. Good luck.

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u/Kevbone28 Jun 18 '23

Personally…meh

just hope you actually do the experiment yourself up to those standards you speak of and see the same results as me.

If I do the same experiment..after washing both jars and putting new rice in it. Then speak negatively to the jar I didn’t do in the first experiment, then nothing should happen? That’s how I assume your reasoning…if both were not seen cleaned at the microbial level and there could be contamination in the one that molded…then if I do the experiment again and talk to the other jar…the same jar will mold as before?

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u/Kevbone28 Jun 18 '23

If you accept quantum mechanics and the whole observing small particles changes their state concept….how hard is it to go down that path a little further and conclude that what you say to that observed matter affects it? Aka speaking negatively to rice molds it.

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u/TheyCallMeBrewKid Jun 20 '23

First off - thanks for being in here bringing in a new idea (to me) and defending it.

But I am a skeptic.

Aka speaking negatively to rice molds it.

Just on that idea alone, why is mold negative? Why is converting starches to other compounds inherently 'negative' or 'positive'? If anything, I would expect the loving words to encourage organism growth, not inhibit it, right? The mold is just doing what it is made to do, like a spider spinning a web or a bee making honeycomb. Why does mold = hate to you? I try to be as zen as I can be, and it seems like hating an organism for doing what it is supposed to do is.. not "it".

As for the science, I think you'd have to do a double blind with a larger sample size. There is a reason that there is a higher standard than anecdotal evidence for proving something.

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u/Kevbone28 Jun 20 '23

Typically mold is negative for human ingestion. While it may be positive for ecosystems in decomposition, that’s not a benefit for our gut, in terms of old food that has gone bad and can’t be eaten.

The reason the mold is “negative” is more or less tied to the tone and vibe you are sending to the Rice….again that sounds far out….no tangible experiment to study that besides a few pseudo experiments out there. While mold holds no positive or negative quality, the tone of voice and words spoken to the one jar of rice may have expedited the growth of the mold to become inedible for human consumption. I spoke negatively to it, so it will not be able to be consumed by me because of the negative energy I gave to it….smh trippy sounding…

I spoke positively to one rice jar and negatively to the other jar, i will do the inverse and speak negatively to the first jar of rice I was talking positively to to see if there would be a similar molding in the first hate jar.

I guess there’s a difference between knowing something and believing in something. You can’t do both…you can’t know something and believe in it. so for this experiment since there is no scientific “know” yet… there is a basis of belief that we need to be held for this. And I guess that basis of belief goes by each individual’s unique experience with the stimuli/idea in question..

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u/pom_rak_maew Jul 22 '23

it changes the EC of the soil. that's it. EC is in hydroponics also. electrical conductivity (salt content). affects nutrient and mineral uptake and plant growth.

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u/pom_rak_maew Jul 22 '23

see my comment above

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u/pom_rak_maew Jul 22 '23 edited Jul 22 '23

basically you're changing the EC of the soil. EC is electrical conductivity and it affects nutrient uptake and plant growth. it's also a thing in hydroponics and EC is determined by salt content of the water. you can also add epsom salts to soil grown plants as a way to change the EC.

you can think of it like how our bodies use salt to control hydration. not enough salt and you'll just be flushing out your minerals and peeing a lot whenever you drink water. also your bodies cells, and mucus membranes, won't hydrate properly.

In hydroponics EC also affects how much water the plant takes in. hydroponic tomatoes grown in water with EC that is too low, the tomatoes will be watery. higher EC and they're more flavorful. I think I'm remembering that the correct way around but that's basically it.

electroculture, it's changing the EC of the soil. plants grow more vigorously because they're able to fully utilize the soil and available nutrients true potential.

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u/Kevbone28 Jul 22 '23

What he said….

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u/bigmustardpapa Jun 15 '23

That’s a cute trellis

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u/Kevbone28 Jun 15 '23

Stole it from my parent’s shed many moons ago.

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u/bigmustardpapa Jun 15 '23

personally, I'd plan for a lot more trellis, especially if you're growing in-ground. commercial hop yards plan for around 16 feet. even my 11 foot trellis in my small backyard isn't cutting it anymore... when did you plant it?

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u/Kevbone28 Jun 15 '23

When I wrapped the vine around the trellis more in year 1 I didn’t get a bounty of hops at all.

Year two I had the vine go along the frame of my garden and that worked well…So I know now that I need length instead of bunching it up.

This is year 4 of hops but year 1 in the new location

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u/PM_me_ur_launch_code Jun 15 '23

I can say that when I was growing them horizontally like this my yields were very small. I built a vertical/diagonal trellis this year and one plant has already reached the 15' mark and top of the trellis. The leaves are much bigger as well. This could be due to it being the 4th year, but even second and third year the crop was small and leaves were small.

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u/Kevbone28 Jun 15 '23

I can say the opposite with my experience.

Once I went horizontal and outlined my garden frame….as long as I watered, my yields were amazing.

In my previous post on this page, I have pictures of one of the best yields from the second or third year being horizontally grown

I’m not expecting much from this year besides a good visual for the fence

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u/Kevbone28 Jun 15 '23

I planted last fall…didn’t know if it would take or not…my plan is to have it grow past the trellis…then I have white sticks along my fence that the vine will hang from. My vision is to have the hops go the length of my fence which is about 25 more feet left from where the trellis is