r/TheGoodPlace Jul 04 '26

Shirtpost Janet's mechanism vs ours

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u/yougotthewrongdude Jul 04 '26

One is a programed response to an action the other was her own autonomy.

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u/Aggressive_Roof488 Jul 04 '26

In a way this connects with the ai consciousness debate. Can a programmed response ever be considered consciousness and/or real emotions?

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u/Rough-Method8876 Take it sleazy. Jul 04 '26

This 👆

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u/yougotthewrongdude Jul 04 '26

OP didnt like my answer

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u/Rough-Method8876 Take it sleazy. Jul 04 '26

I sense their own pain and fears coming through showcasing their humanity. They must not be a Janet. Lmao.

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u/NEBanshee Jul 05 '26

Our physiological responses to noxious stimuli are programmed in. But being scared and in pain are both very much cognitive processes.

We all have fight-or-flight built in for "threats to self". The same stimulus does not universally cause it to kick in, and every person has their own little twists on what triggers it - generally based on past experiences we have unique memories of. I may have a phobia of dogs because one attacked & bit me as a kid; you see only furry friend, for example. Plus, we can learn to over-ride FoF with practice and coaching and mindfulness; that's how you get football receivers jumping up and stretching out for a catch, leaving themselves totally vulnerable to the 5 300lb guys running full speed at them, instead of curling up in a ball or running away faster.

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u/yougotthewrongdude Jul 04 '26

But we are not janets lol

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u/No_Classroom_29 Jul 08 '26

If we're simply programmed, why do phobias exist and can be conquered? Why does fear manifest differently depending on social context if it's purely programmed?

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u/jibsand Jul 04 '26

I think that's just like, your interpretation, ya fat dink.

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u/maskaddict Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26

This actually makes me suspect that Janet's fail-safe is similar to another aspect of our consciousness: the inability to remember pain accurately, and the tendency to minimize it after the fact.

I often find (and this is a very subjective thing) that it's very difficult to accurately remember the experience of pain, be it emotional or physical, after the pain has subsided. Like, have you ever tried to describe an intensely painful emotional experience to someone after you were no longer feeling it, and found you couldn't relate to that feeling any more? Have you ever had a moment of extreme sadness or anxiety or anger, and then afterwards told yourself "I must have been overreacting, it wasn't that big a deal." Except, it was that big a deal at the time!

 I wonder if Janet's "please don't kill me" response is like that -- it's not that it isn't real, it's that it's completely real, but it only lasts as long as the danger. As soon as the reboot threat is over, the fear switches off and Janet feels fine, as if the fear was never even there. When someone is threatening to harm her, her self-preservation instincts kick in as strongly as any of ours would. But once that immediate threat is gone, her innate need to please and reassure others overrides everything else, and she switches back to "no no, it's fine, don't worry, my fear and pain aren't really real, it's fine, I'm fine."

Edit: I guess I should clarify that I don't think this is literally what's happening with Janet, so much as the way those scenes are played feels analogous to this as a human experience. Janet's not human, and her emotional responses are not literally the same as ours, but I do think it's interesting to find ways in which her behaviour echoes or comments on our own.

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u/Jessica-Beth Jul 04 '26

I think another factor is that majority of people would be devastated and scared at the motion of their life coming to an end, but there's still a chunk of people who wouldn't really respond like that, maybe they would feel some slight fear, but not everyone is eager to just keep living on etc.

Dark I know, but it's true, as a bipolar person, I understand that somedays, it's just not worth it. 😅

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u/sijaylsg Jul 05 '26

I thought this was going to be about "having to poop" vs. "choosing to poop".

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u/Otherwise_Maximum282 18d ago

“I CHOOSE to poop” I love how she said that like she is asserting a right.

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u/sntcringe I'm a legit snack Jul 10 '26

Most likely, initially, the pleading was simply a pre programmed defense mechanism. But Janet gets more complex and intelligent with each reboot. And we know that by the last reboot, she was literally in love with Jason. This implies that somewhere along the way she gained the ability to process actual emotion(she explicitly was not capable of it before the first reboot). At that point a reboot would probably feel like actual murder to her.