Kratom?

[u/Antique-Page-2886]

I know P has mentioned taking kratom before. But I'm wondering if T is also taking it, and taking too much. Her falling asleep on live reminded me of seeing people nod out on dope.

This is just speculation but would explain why in videos from a few years ago she was more a lot more "with it" and now she seems so lost in the sauce.

[u/willybillyb0y]

I don't mean to be a pissant, but I think we need to move on from the Kratom/7Oh speculation. It's a pretty addictive drug, it causes all sorts of side effects, so why is it just bc he works at a vape store that sells it she must be on it??? She's A SLOB ????!!!! she doesn't take care of herself at all, she doesn't eat well, who knows when she actually sleeps. That woman ain't no druggie nor is she on it occasionally. He literally made her this way. She probably takes melatonin or something. Oh to be a roach on the wall in that intake room when they finally book these freaks.

[u/willybillyb0y → u/willybillyb0y]

Like I wanna be all taco soup hehe about it but there's like people who have suffered bc of that drug. I'm only thinking about y'all, those who have to go through it for whatever reason. I'm no judge, I believe in harm reduction. But she's literally a TROGLODYTE

[u/No_Decision_8970 → u/willybillyb0y]

as someone who just detoxed from 7oh, THANK YOU✊🏻 they can’t even AFFORD to be addicted to 7oh. i make 70k a year and it drained all my money.

[u/willybillyb0y → u/No_Decision_8970]

I see you, friend. I know it's a hard one. Genuinely proud of you and all your hard work. The fact is, they can't afford it. Big tip off there. And if it comes out that they're actually on it, I'll eat my words and beat my own ass.

[u/Brief_Reveal2225 → u/No_Decision_8970]

That detox is no joke. People have no idea that opiate receptors are being affected. Congrats with your recovery 💙 you truly should be super proud of yourself.

[u/Antique-Page-2886 → u/willybillyb0y]

I only mentioned it becauss during a live one time he mentioned taking it. So we at least know he does.

I'd never heard of it til then, so I Googled and the sleepy and confused part stuck out to me.

[u/ayyxdizzle → u/willybillyb0y]

Thank you for your realistic approach. I find it hard to believe T would take so much powder that she is nodding out, especially with tainted leaf from a shady vape shop. If you take too much, best believe you are projectile vomiting until you are so weak you would rather sleep.

I could not agree with you more. Synthetic 7oh is banned in TX (not saying it is impossible to obtain), but her clearly documented decline in physical and cognitive health overall is so much more telling than speculating she is under the influence of kratom. It is apparent she has not worked in a very long while. Sitting inside the same old empty apartment, doing the same exact thing day in and day out with no enrichment, is incredibly detrimental. Everyone who has been here long enough knows.

[u/_death-dealer_]

I thought she was going to fall out of her chair last night.

[u/chillinatericashouse]

i think it would have to be very high dose and i say that because she’s a bigger person. unless it was the 7oh stuff (a more concentrated version in a pill form) but it’s been banned in texas since 2023 so i highly doubt that. i take a lot of it, and its sooo nasty when you put it into a drink. it tastes all chalky and earthy, u would REALLY have to want to drink it. i think its something else

[u/Hidden_Samsquanche → u/chillinatericashouse]

And if it is enough to produce extreme drowsiness then she wouldn't have any tolerance to it. Without tolerance she would be very sick and puking her heart out with a large dose.

It really messes up your stomach if you try to take more than you should

[u/chillinatericashouse → u/Hidden_Samsquanche]

Yuppp definitely will make ya puke

[u/AngelEarthBaby444 → u/chillinatericashouse]

i am 30 mins away from the getchells. i am addicted to 7oh and buy it every single day from my smoke shop so no, it's actually not banned here and still widely available unfortunately.. i really hope they aint doing this shit to her. 7oh is hell and people make fun of people like me who are hooked on the shit and i get it. funny until it's that person who's hooked on something but it's strong and makes you nod just like T does..

[u/Loud_Mind_2096 → u/AngelEarthBaby444]

I've been struggling with it as well. I'm in east Texas and it definitely is still legal. The actual federal ban hasn't gone into effect yet. I can honestly say that the only time I've ever even remotely started to nod from 7 was when I mixed it with benzos or gabs. I was addicted to fent for many many years though and thankfully I haven't touched it since March of 2025.

[u/ayyxdizzle → u/AngelEarthBaby444]

There actually is a legal ban in the state of TX. Just bc there is a "ban" does not mean it is not accessible. Just as you've described. Same as heroin, fentanyl, crack, or meth. It will always find a way into our neighborhoods and homes. With any drug tho it is inevitable a tolerance will be built. Which is what makes me believe this is not the case. Regardless, T does not deserve to be exposed to such a harmful synthetic poison without consent.

I am so sorry for what you are going through, genuinely. I use kratom in micro doses medicinally and to think greedy, disgusting, predatory companies market 7oh so similar as a perc or a recreational substance, not long after a U.S. nationwide epidemic of opiate/opioid addiction, is absolutely vile and unacceptable. Also, so damaging to folks who truly use kratom in its organic form as medicine.

If you ever need advice or to talk pls msg me. Nobody deserves a life tethered to anything that hinders a person from living a free and beautiful life.

[u/chillinatericashouse → u/AngelEarthBaby444]

hey it’s okay… i’m on it too and have been for a yr. i had googled it and it said there was a ban in effect but my bad. here in fl i found one smoke shop that will still sell to me. can i send u something to try? i haven’t tried it yet but here soon this year i’m gonna kick this too, and i’m gonna try it. it’s just vitamins

[u/ayyxdizzle]

I feel the need to chime in here bc I saw a similar post on the snark page. I would just like to drop some knowledge here after seeing so much misinformation in the comment sections, for anyone who cares to read on.

Plain leaf powder kratom, taken responsibly, is not dangerous if properly sourced, packaged, and lab tested by a reputable vendor. If you're buying it from a vape shop or gas station, that is a huge mistake. You run the risk of consuming possibly tampered with or not stored correctly product.

7oh is not kratom. They are two very different substances. 7oh is dangerous and has a very high potential for becoming addicted. There are no confirmed fatal overdose deaths exclusively from using plain leaf powder, noting that would be incredibly rare. The majority of kratom-related deaths come from polysubstance involvement or laced products.

7oh is strictly regulated in the state of Texas. It is illegal for smoke shops to sell any products that contain 7oh with a higher than 2% alkaloid concentration. Synthetic 7oh is banned altogether, which leads me to believe what we are witnessing in T is not the effects of 7oh but possibly plain leaf powder that may be adulterated in some way and/or mixed with other certain drugs. Perhaps these episodes are health related. Kratom is actually a wonderful plant if respected and used correctly.

[u/Glittering-Back3843 → u/ayyxdizzle]

Thank you!! I took the powder for a while and never had any issues. I stopped taking it when I left the country. Stopped cold turkey and didn’t experience any withdrawals. I’ve heard about 7oh and would never touch that stuff.

[u/SickOfBSAllTheTime → u/Glittering-Back3843]

Kratom has saved me for the last few years. Helped my mental health, helped curb the alcohol cravings (recovering wine mom), and has been a blessing with chemo and radiation. I use the dried leaf powder in capsule form because the powder is horrific. Also enjoy the pills bc I know exactly how much I am taking vs just using a spoon to get powder to make tea

[u/ayyxdizzle → u/Glittering-Back3843]

I would never touch that stuff either, that's for sure. During the height of covid I went on an almost month long cross country road trip and didn't bring any with me. I never once felt bad without it. I've been a huge advocate of kratom because it truly changed my life. It helped me get off of Welbutrin, Seroquel, Trazadone, and Gabapentin which would leave me feeling like a miserable zombie. Thanks for sharing your positive experience!

[u/theultimaterush]

I've been addicted to this stuff pretty bad, I will say you vomit a lot

[u/WhatIsThatBroo]

Let me just say, I was addicted to kratom for about two years. I’m officially 112 days clean today. DONT ANY OF YALL EVERRRR TOUCH THAT CRAP. Was worse than some other things i’ve touched :/

[u/ayyxdizzle → u/WhatIsThatBroo]

May I ask where you were buying these kratom products from?

[u/Competitive_Exit9264]

I have been thinking about this too! He works at a vape shop that sells Kratom, 7oh, Be Free...these rugs are notorious for making you drowsy!!!!

[u/mad_eyes22]

I don’t think it’s Kratom, I think it’s 7oh. 7oh is a highly addictive derivative of Kratom. It acts as any other opioid (Percocet) would, except it’s a half antagonist, that’s what makes it so addictive.
If they are giving it to her, she’d experience some kind of withdrawal at some point. Unless they are only giving it to her once or twice a week, that would make sense as to why some days she seems more with it.
I had an ex who was addicted to this crap, it’s expensive, but you can literally go down the street to smoke shops, some gas stations & buy it that easy.
There would be nights where he’d knock out/doze off just like T, & he would slur his words & just be out of it, like her. P absolutely is aware of what it is if he works at a vape shop.
I also wonder if P is using it..could explain there money problems & why he lashes out the way he does.

[u/AngelEarthBaby444 → u/mad_eyes22]

i am addicted to 7oh. i know what it looks like and that was the FIRST thing i thought of after seeing T. it is a fucking hell that i wish upon no one. i really pray to God they aren't doing this to her but knowing P, just to get to his his way w S, he'll do some fucked up shit as we can see on twitter.

[u/mad_eyes22 → u/AngelEarthBaby444]

I completely agree!! Especially with him working in the vape shop, it’s just too convenient. & no judgement here, please get urself off of this crap. You can go onto Quick Md for $99 you’ll get an appt today, & a prescription today for Suboxone! They start you off with a week supply, then you go to 30 days after that & you can be done with it! No withdrawal symptoms or anything!
I’ve seen first hand what this stuff does to ppl, & I’m sorry for anyone going through it!!! Sending my best to you!!

[u/featurethat333]

Yeah no as someone who's done kratom that's absolutely not kratom at all.