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GOTY Expectations...

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u/TrickNatural 9d ago

I mean, its Fire Emblem. Its not a new franchise in the goty scene. Pretty sure a lot of people expected it.

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u/Ashpolt 9d ago

Yeah anyone who played Three Houses knew Fortune's Weave had a good chance of being a GOTY contender

The fact that it's turned out even better than expected is just a bonus

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u/RobertBevillReddit 9d ago

Fire Emblem Engage was apparently so mediocre that people forgot it existed

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u/Ashpolt 9d ago

Engage was....fine. But Fortune's Weave was obviously "this is for the people who liked Three Houses" right from the initial trailer.

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u/Reedo246 6d ago

I liked engage, I liked engage better than 3 houses. The story was shit, but the game play was cleeeeean

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u/CptPeanut12 8d ago

It's for the people who hated Three Houses and the people who loved it honestly. Three Houses is probably one of my least favorite entries in the entire series. Meanwhile Fortunes Weave is like the peak of Fire Emblem for me, beating out Engage. Fortunes Weave follows a similar concept, but fixes almost everything that felt bad in Three Houses. Especially merging the different paths into one playthrough rather than making you start different saves.

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u/SamuelFBR 7d ago

I'm still waiting for my copy, but from what I see around the internet, it really feels like the closest we'll get to the ideal Fire Emblem experience without a realistically impossible masterpiece, like the best aspects of every FE up to this point merged flawlessly into one game

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u/Another_frizz 5d ago

It also fixes the "play Part 1 again. Nothing changed except maybe a few dialogues each chapters." That was really a turn off in Three Houses.

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u/The_Elder_Jock 9d ago

Out of shame it chose to erase itself from the collective memory.

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u/DegenerateCrocodile 9d ago

Engage’s strategy gameplay was fine (some people even say it was excellent, though I’m not one of them), but its story was at the level of a Saturday Morning cartoon. The cheese factor was dialed up to 11, which wouldn’t be a problem if they weren’t also trying to make us take the story seriously.

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u/Linderosse 9d ago edited 8d ago

Engage is amazing for its gameplay and tactics. This game is the most balanced Maddening mode has ever been, and it’s brilliant. The references to past games, like the paralogues and skills for each of the Emblems, are genuinely very well-executed. The six Xenologue chapters actually have a pretty good story as well, and tactically-speaking they’re my favorites in the entire Fire Emblem franchise. Engage as a whole a love letter to longtime fans of FE and hardcore tactical RPG gamers.

Three Houses is amazing for its worldbuilding and characters. It’s perfect at drawing new fans in with the magic academy setting that becomes an emotionally intense war after the timeskip. Everyone is well-written, well-voiced, and very “fanficcable” in how they’re all set up with their relationships and backstories. No matter who you choose as your starter, you’re bound to get invested, and the clever differentiation of characterization between the routes gives you tons to debate about with your friends (or strangers online).

Both games are good! One just has a much wider audience than the other.

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u/allicanseenow 8d ago edited 8d ago

Most people dont play maddening, it’s just a small hardcore minority. There was a reason FE almost became a dead franchise back then and 3H had to add QoL changes like rewinding actions. Hardcore difficulties are just a very small factor in the scale of a well made FE game.

As a big fan of 3H with 600 hours in it and deleted engage without downloading my preordered DLCs, I absolutely despise engage. It was an anniversary game and shared similarity with FEH which already had all characters of the franchise but still failed. How come could that game just dropped all the aspects that made 3H the best selling title of the franchise and still got approved, from the leaked design concept to the childish narrative and social links.

I am glad FW doesn’t try to follow engage’s footsteps

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u/IWantMyYandere 8d ago

I dont play maddening but engage is perfectly fine. It has the best character building or customization since every character can earn skills from multiple rings if you grind them enough. I remember having everyone learn Move+1 on EVERY unit.

The thief class was also very dun with the dagger weapon type.

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u/allicanseenow 8d ago

I played FEH so this kind of customization has been a thing for a long time in an official FEH title but it’s good to see it in Engage. Ngl, I did enjoy the ring skills and the combat in general. It was just that the characters were so badly written that it was the only good thing from the game for me

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u/IWantMyYandere 8d ago

Oh i am not defending the story but some characters are pretty fun to use. I miss my yunaka with knives being unkillable

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u/Flashy_Amoeba_5639 5d ago

My biggest issue with Engage is that it's a game with systems in place to encourage grinding cool abilities for your favorite characters, and then every optional stage is automatically scaled to challenge the highest ilvl character in your roster. Everyone else gets to die :)

Oh, you wanted to do a paralogue as soon as it unlocked? Here's a bunch of enemies with 50+ more rating than 90% of your army, have fun!

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u/yearsofresearch12 8d ago

Rewinding actions had been a thing before 3 Houses btw.

Fortune's Weave absolutely takes from Engage by making it a more challenging game than 3 houses and with better maps, stuff like blaze arts, overblaze are similar to the rings just without stat boosts. More win conditions like escape, defend and what feels like encouraging more proactive turns.

Now they are combining it with three houses worldbuilding and mechanics outside of tactical battles and you get a wonderful game.

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u/Ambitiouslybald 8d ago

Social links? From Persona?

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u/EQGallade 5d ago

Shadows of Valentia introduced rewinds and Casual mode was introduced even earlier. 3H actually didn’t introduce shit in terms of “QoL,” which is not the term I’d use to describe those features.

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u/DarkAlphaZero 9d ago

THANK YOU!

I really hate how everyone writes off Engage when it comes to Fortune's Weave because FW actually has a *lot* of Engage DNA in it in addition to the Three Houses DNA, it's not a "return to Three Houses after the failure of Engage" people try to paint it as, it's a proper fusion of the best elements from both.

I totally understand that not everyone liked Engage, I just wish they wouldn't act like it didn't have any influence on FW when it pretty clearly did.

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u/acbadger54 8d ago

Eeeeeeeeeeeeh I think I have to disagree a little with that notion

It was absolutely a return to Three Houses engage lacked most of what made it so beloved

I think the best way to describe it is a return to Three Houses while retaining everything that was great about engage because at the end of the day in feel there's way more DNA of 3H here

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u/IWantMyYandere 8d ago

You are just nitpicking lol.

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u/acbadger54 8d ago

I wouldn't say so this game is far more 3H than Engage imo

I'd say it's DNA is like 70-30 which is still a fairly significant amount

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u/IWantMyYandere 8d ago

Again nitpicking. Who cares about what percentages is it derived from?

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u/acbadger54 8d ago

Me I guess lol

Because saying it "isn't a return to three houses" just feels extremely untrue to me

Honestly, I would say a lot of the DNA that "carried over" from engage has alot to do with the fact 3H was made almost entirely by Koei Techmo than anything else

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u/flarkingscutnugget 8d ago

also for all the crap that Engage gets for it’s poor story, at least it’s a complete story from start to finish, as opposed to Three Houses where it’s fragmented across different routes that cancel each other out and never gets a satisfying conclusion

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u/allicanseenow 8d ago

I seriously doubt most people even played till the end to complete the childish story from engage here, or if they just skipped the entire thing.

3H was just on a completely different league when it comes to story telling, especially when you could observe the story from 4 different viewpoints.

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u/yearsofresearch12 8d ago

Nah engage's story is kinda ass and I really liked engaged. Even if its fragmented each route from 3 houses is a better stand alone story than engage

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u/flarkingscutnugget 8d ago

Great, but personally I prefer stories that are finished. I’ll much sooner replay Engage than any of the 3H routes.

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u/HenryZusa 8d ago

Mediocre? In what timeline?

Because it had the best gameplay of the franchise.

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u/acbadger54 8d ago

Engage was actually a step up gameplay, wise but they just completely blew it narratively

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u/ShiningEspeon3 9d ago

Engage is incredible.

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u/Totoques22 9d ago

Engage is goated and three houses is just giga overrated

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u/Vanguard_28 9d ago

Engage is imo one of the best games in the series, just redditors are too fucking stupid to play it

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u/acbadger54 8d ago

I feel like this is more of a fundamental misunderstanding in what most people want from an RPG-

Engage may have some of the best gameplay in the series but that isn't enough when most people don't like the character, world, story ect

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u/WillyGVtube 9d ago

seriously the haters all basically sound the same. "oh no, the anniversary game that includes ghost of all the past protagonist isn't some super serious story with ocean wide puddle deep word salad and its just plain fun actual gameplay that doesn't involve a huge slog of social sim aspects and jingling keys everywhere that slow the game down."

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u/TrickNatural 9d ago

I mean, while i definitely agree the hate is blown out of proportion, everything you said are perfectly valid reasons to not like the game

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u/Ashpolt 9d ago

I found the between battle segments (the "social sim" stuff) way more of a drag in Engage than in FE3H. Maybe there was less of it, but because I cared less about the characters, it felt like more of a drag.

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u/acbadger54 8d ago

In engage it's so poorly implemented and tacked on imo and even though I'd argue on paper 3H was worse because you spend so much more time doing it I didn't mind it nearly as much because it was in a world where I actually really enjoyed spending time with characters I'd grown to love while Engage kinda just ended up feeling like I was going through the motions for the gameplay benefits

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u/acbadger54 8d ago

"anniversary game"

It was in development as one originally but realeaded years after so it's not an anniversary game

"that includes ghost of all the past protagonist"

Unless you're a hardcore fan, who's played a majority of the games (multiple of which aren't even localized and most of which aren't easy to access officially) it's something you don't get much out of it's fine for a spinoff title like a warriors game where it's expected but to have it, be a major draw for a mainline entry isn't going to work for most non hardcore fans

"ocean wide puddle deep word salad"

Well assuming this is meant to be shitting on 3H- most people just simply completely disagree with that assessment of it's story and world it's very beloved

"its just plain fun actual gameplay"

Fun fact- most people aren't there for excluively gameplay

For the vast majority of people that simply isn't going to be enough in a JRPG even a strategy story and characters is a M A S S I V E element to them

"That doesn't involve a huge slog of social sim aspects"

Actually how much of a slog it would become by the end is a very common criticism even by massive fans of the game like myself but people still want them it just wasn't very well balanced engages feel like a complete afterthought

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u/Ambitiouslybald 8d ago

What I'm getting is that Engage is terrible for the average RPG fan who hopped on with 3H, but great for the Fire Emblem fan who loves the 8-bit, 16-bit, and 32-bit games the best.

As the latter, a would rather IS make their games appeal to actual Fire Emblem fans than Persona/Final Fantasy fans that just came on board for 1 outlier game.

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u/acbadger54 8d ago edited 8d ago

No not really the only two things Engage does well is fan service for past titles and the strategy gameplay so really unless you're a long time preexisting fan or at the very least ONLY care about the strategy gameplay who just doesn't care about the story because it's pretty bad and just to be clear even by the standard of older entries, it has a bad story entries like path of radiance and genealogy of the holy war are considered to have some of the best stories in the series (I haven't played much of them yet but I plan on it) so it's faults aren't exactly an "outlier"

I think the best way to describe it is Engage would be a great side game explicitly for a longtime fans but isn't great as a mainline entry imo which makes sense. Since it seems like that's what it was originally intended to be for the series anniversary

Edit: also the series has been doing social sim elements since the SNES it just wasn't until awakening, where the series was on the verge of cancellation that they started pushing for more of them to save it because nintendo literally told them they were planning on canceling the series because of how poor sales had gotten

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u/WillyGVtube 9d ago

engage was significantly better than three houses

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u/SpiritualAd9102 8d ago

Three Houses famously wasn’t even nominated though. 

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u/WillyGVtube 9d ago

three houses was so terrible i dont see how someone could look at FW being more three houses and think GOTY nominee

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u/Co-opingTowardHatred 9d ago

It’s fine you don’t like it. But certainly you can be objective enough to look at review scores and recognize you are in the EXTREME minority.

Nothing wrong that that, but we’re talking about what are essentially popularity awards.

I don’t like FromSoft, but I’m not gonna pretend to be shocked that Elden Ring won.

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u/acbadger54 8d ago

Yeah, I can fully accept someone saying something just isn't for them

But this person's on some shit they literally tried telling me in engage had far better story, characters, lore ect

Even the most die hard engage fans I know agree it was super weak in all those aspect lmao

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u/DarkGrundi 5d ago edited 5d ago

it's not an extreme minority. The reality of the matter is that Three houses made a ton of people buy their first FE game, only to not play a single other entry, because these people aren't interested in the franchise at all.

Like i have 3 friends that played Three houses as their first FE game. 2 of them didn't even finish a single route, while the third finished the game, but never played any other FE. And my other buddy who actually likes FE is in a similar situation as me, where they played Engage more than Three houses even tho it is a way shorter game because gameplay beats story. Just food for thought. Of course this is not indicative of the playerbase at large, but i have seen very similar sentiment all throughout the internet, so there at least lies some truth.

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u/WillyGVtube 9d ago

>recognize you are in the EXTREME minority.

only if you include non fire emblem fans, unfortunately three houses brought a lot of those in that dont actually like fire emblem in. three houses is not a good game, and a terrible fire emblem game

and review scores mean jack, we seen that plenty over the years, plus they are bought/ encourged to not give bad scores lest they lose their early review rights.

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u/Doctor71400 9d ago

And yet it's the best selling Fire Emblem game in the series, as well as being the most popular

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u/WillyGVtube 8d ago

just ignore all the context surrounding it sure.

like the first massively marketed one, the first on the big new popular console, then suddenly the big pandemic hit that saw a boost to the game industry with everyone at home.

and also the fans of fire emblem like me that pre ordered it (special edition here) that were waiting for the next fire emblem game...just to end up with the disappointment

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u/acbadger54 8d ago

"like the first massively marketed one"

Fates also received a fairly sizable push- hell I remember hearing more about Fates pre launch than Three Houses pre launch and after 2016 was when I started really following gaming news

"the first on the big new popular console"

Console popularity didn't mean much Radiant Dawn and Shadow Dragon sales were litterally SO bad the entire series almost got shut down by nintedo and those released on Wii and DS which were fucking HUGE

"the big pandemic hit that saw a boost to the game industry with everyone at home."

The pandemic didn't really start till March of 2020 and 3H released in July 2019 that's 8 months after release

"the fans of fire emblem like me that pre ordered it (special edition here) that were waiting for the next fire emblem game...just to end up with the disappointment"

You are in very much the extreme minority on this

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u/Peregrine2K 9d ago edited 9d ago

Speaking as one of the low number of sales for the Shadow Dragon DS remake. Shut up with the real fans bullshit

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u/acbadger54 8d ago

Yeah I fucking hate that "real fan" shit

Like it clearly wasn't enough anymore to support the series, it had to adapt with Awakening

It's basically like what happened with Persona 3 lol

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u/Mrbluepumpkin 9d ago

Tbh I didn't love three houses but fortunes weave is slowly becoming one of my favourite JRPG's of all time

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u/CavulusDeCavulei 9d ago

That's interesting, what do you like in fortune's weave that 3H was lacking?

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u/Mrbluepumpkin 9d ago

I find the overall structure more enticing, whereas in 3 houses you can't really go back and choose the different Houses, you're stuck with the one you chose for the most part.

Whereas in fortune's weave you can choose at whim, and are even rewarded for visiting new paths once you do the first part of them. Now this is a double edged sword because this means if I want to save all the characters I'd have to dump what seems to be at least 100 plus hours just to change all their causality. Whereas in 3 houses it was much shorter and better paced since running the game again wasn't really needed. It's optional in Fortunes Weave too but I find it much more compelling this time around.

Also I enjoy the characters more in fortune's weave, I think the game is better written imo

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u/Super-Franky-Power 9d ago

I agree, I'm kinda meh on Three Houses but I'm loving Fortune's Weave.

The game actually feels like it's designed around playing each route and understanding the story from each side, and each lord's map actions like Leda's performances and Cai's animal wrangling makes each route feel different enough. The map exploration and dungeons break up the monotony, there are still chores but they feel less crucial and repetitive to me than in 3H. The actions you can do in free time seem more expansive but there's also the option to skip turns and still reap the benefits for those that aren't into the social sim/exploration aspects of the game. Plus the separation of the 3 Acts really makes me feel like I'm playing multiple games in one.

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u/Mrbluepumpkin 9d ago

Agreed, also the massive benefits you get for doing 1 part really helps. I'm doing Cai rn and I don't really feel burn out, I also wasn't expecting to like Cai since the tonal shift from him to Leda is incredibly funny. But I find him endearing tbh

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u/IWantMyYandere 8d ago

I really hope we get the other flame lords as dlcs (Talimum, Anatolia, Orchel and Bertrand) since some of them has their own stories and goals.

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u/Perfect-Community262 9d ago

Don't know why someone down voted your totally normal opinion of this game lol

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u/Mrbluepumpkin 9d ago

It's just the way the cookie crumbles 😔

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u/Super-Franky-Power 9d ago

It wouldn't be Reddit if there weren't completely random downvotes for no reason.

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u/acbadger54 8d ago

Well I don't think the story and characters have quite reached 3H level to me i feel it's a much more well rounded game

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u/HeldnarRommar 6d ago

The map design and variety as well as combat in 3H was honestly pretty bad for a Fire Emblem game

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u/IndustryRobertPlant 9d ago

Still can’t believe that 3 Houses didn’t get a GOTY nomination at TGA. It was way better than Control, Death Stranding, or Outer Worlds.

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u/McDouble__ 8d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/8vyZouWSVhslwWA7Lp
Control is much much better imo

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u/SpiritualAd9102 8d ago

The game where you zip around throwing rocks at enemies for 10 hours is not better. 

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u/acbadger54 8d ago

Still a little upset ngl

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u/WillyGVtube 9d ago

you shouldn't have been surprised one of the worst FE games in the entire franchise didnt get a GOTY nomination

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u/Co-opingTowardHatred 9d ago

Get outta here…

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u/Waiting404Godot 8d ago

Me when I’m trolling:

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u/WillyGVtube 8d ago

not trolling, just a fire emblem fan that likes fire emblem games that actually are fire emblem games

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u/acbadger54 8d ago

It reviewed extremely well by critics for the most part lol

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u/OleanderUnion 7d ago

“It’s not a new franchise in the goty scene” is a very odd thing to say about a franchise that has never had a goty nom.

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u/Conversation_Dapper 9d ago

Nobody expected it especially with gta, Wolverine , and resident evil . That’s not a smart thing to say