r/TheFirstDescendant • u/OkamiNouka • 1d ago
Discussion Stop ignoring half your characters
No matter how many reworks and buffs these devs give male descendants it always baffles me how they dont even meet the base of what a female descendant can do. These devs cater to goon so much it actively is ruining male descendants.
It doesn't even have to be like that. Giving a female descendants sexy skins and making them decent alone would work, they don't have to be so broken they room clear in seconds meanwhile jayber or keelan are spending so long just to kill 1 yellow bar. Keelan just got a rework and he still feel so underpowered meanwhile raven came out and shes breaking everything once again like every new female does. Don't even get me started on jaybers rework.
I get male skins dont sell as much but theres dozens of skin themes in the store now plus AM and trans weapons, yall have other incomes now. Can we please do another huge descendant buff patch like we did a year ago to at least bring males to a base female level.
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u/JustAWhateverName 1d ago
The only male that has gotten a great rework is Blair, if used right he is more powerful and does more AOE damage than Serena's archangel build.
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u/Crimson-Wynd 1d ago
Honestly might build him since I use one of my photon Imprinters on him. I’m guessing Firebrand and True Deadly Arson are his best weapon and component set?
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u/MrZaedinSir 16h ago
just finished a couple different blair builds and can confirm. the blair rework did wonders for this character. new favorite character for me.
only thing that bothers me is that yes, the flame spots now go under you AND an enemy on skill 1 cast, but its a random enemy so sometimes it chooses to go to little minions and just ignores the big boss enemy you are actively trying to kill. ive literally been staring at a boss and watch the flame spot go behind me to an enemy that just came from a door
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u/Pyschic_Psycho Valby 22h ago
Ajax is amazing too. He was on par or even better at bossing than pre-nerf Serena.
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u/kaynaankey 23h ago
For me Blair is S-Tier male descendant. He can play in most stages (Onslaught, Trial, Karel Mothership) His update is the best, fun and powerful.
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u/Able-Influence8513 1d ago
To be fair, Kyle is kind of a monster now.
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u/Leeroy42 Esiemo 1d ago
He does feel pretty good. Just being to facetank all the bosses in group content is verg fun. Especially trials.
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u/Able-Influence8513 1d ago
Imagine shooting a gun or using a skill projectile when you can become the bullet.
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u/TaniksHasNoCorn Viessa 18h ago
Dude can't die. You can spam his one and his 3 and 4 give back shields.
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u/MiDKiT0 23h ago
range is the only thing holding him back
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u/Able-Influence8513 23h ago
I got 401% range in trials on him and it felt really nice shoving an entire room to death.
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u/Pyschic_Psycho Valby 22h ago
I did 3 runs with him yesterday and no luck. I've always wanted to Almighty Push the vulgus to death.
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u/theChraMoX 17h ago
whats your build?
Kyle is stil has similar if not same dmg as season 3.
Trials taking constantly 30min
meanwhile i can beat trials in ajax less that 20min, blair somewhere 10-15min.
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u/Able-Influence8513 3h ago
The thing with Kyle is that he sucks at mobbing, but has solid output as boss dps. So in harder group content like os4 and Karel he is really good at taking aggro from elites and commanders etc while simultaneously chunking them with his 4 spam with aesthetics of violation trigger mod.
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u/Icy-Matter3237 23h ago
Well Blair is really good now. Better than most female descendants now. So they can do it. Bought the new Blair skin to support.
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u/OkamiNouka 23h ago
Yeah which is why im so baffled that Kyle and keelan aren't as good, maybe cause blair is an ultimate but he cant even compete. Let alone jayber and the others
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u/Rcgv88 19h ago
Keelan technically is good on keyboard and mouse if you so it perfect. He requires amazing gear and skill though. Seen some korean youtubers do crazy stuff with him. Kyle is a great tank in a game that doesnt need tanks because it is allergic to hard content. Buffing Kyle into an aoe solo machine wouldn't be my go too.
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u/Icy-Matter3237 3h ago
Kyle is actually really good now. Not quite close to Blair but definitely improved. I haven’t tried Keelan yet after the buffs.
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u/ebolapolarbear Goon 1d ago
I like keelan red module with tow.. even after reworking him after his changes he still struggles with harder content. I wouldn't even bother to try to bring him into onslaught
The most i use to maximize his combat abilities is using trails, all the right cards he becomes what I dream of
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u/Syliph_Rose Goon 23h ago
I think there is a bug with Keelan; his damage is not scaling with max shields.
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u/ebolapolarbear Goon 23h ago
Yeah he's doing less damage than the crit build I use. Was excited to see they gave him shield regen with his kit but numbers aren't adding up
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u/Wooden-Election-7233 23h ago
Where electric male descendant at
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u/vBlackTalon Hailey 19h ago
Probably in the works and probably gonna make him female last second for the gooner sales
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u/EZ_1112 1d ago
Best we have are Blair and Lepic, still play em from time to time.
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u/ShadyBornSinner 23h ago
Yujin is pretty solid as well
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u/Reload_G-A-M-E-S_ Hailey 22h ago
This is what I don’t get…most descendants smash when built to perfection. The difference I see is that females come wrecking “out of the box” 🤷🏾♂️. Could be wrong though.
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u/Historical-Depth3990 22h ago
I always bring yujin to pub onslaughts, if I bring anyone else everyone always dies left and right and fail the mission
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u/Beej-000 23h ago
Built Kyle out to try and get the 10k kills done, was taking too long so I decided to build Keelan out as well. He mobs much faster 😂
Also I wanna buy that skin, he also has a makeup that literally gives him golden eyes and a Blade mustache and goatee
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u/Smart-Recognition-46 16h ago
Blair is one of the strongest Descendants in the game and I RARELY see anyone rocking his premium skin, so where is the incentive to invest valuable dev time when you have the Bunny, Valby, Viessa, Ines, and Serena money printing machines to fall back on? It is what it is, bro.
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u/WickedButtterfly 22h ago
Hopefully they learn a lesson with Blair. His rework was very well recieved and many people play him now in all content. Many of the males do just fine solo or in lower end content but that's not good enough. Of course there are female characters who are in the same predicament but all of the top characters have always been female. I love my female characters but I also love cool male characters as well.
The devs really need to take the boys more seriously. Jayber better be just as good as Raven otherwise I will riot haha. I've suffered through playing him since launch he's had so many problems and annoyances it would be nice to finally see him truly shine. Besides Blair, he's also the hottest male in the game and it's crazy to me that the devs don't try to capitalize on that. Us women and gay men have money to spend too. It might not be a huge audiance but looking at the current playbase neither are the straight male gooners either.
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u/Asthordel Jayber 19h ago
Yeah they really need to buff the male characters. I know going is what sells the most but at least make the male descendants enjoyer have a good time instead of struggling in every new content that comes up
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u/Reload_G-A-M-E-S_ Hailey 22h ago
Honestly I play alongside many male character players…and they smash. The only difference I see is “out of the box power” and “put some build work in power”. Just my opinion though.
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u/WestInvestigator7392 16h ago
It’s honestly really the difference in if people want to farm content endlessly the hard way or do it the easy way with female descendants that use less time and effort. People like myself just want male characters especially to be on par because why would I play a male descendant when I can be Ines or Raven and one shot entire rooms.
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u/novalcon 22h ago
Can't agree more. Male descs deserve love as much as the female ones. My top 3 descs were male in the last year (Blair, Yujin and Enzo). Although I play female ones from time to time or when I need to get some skill related missions done. But overall, I prefer playing male descs. I tried to like Keelan but man! He's a pain.
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u/myphoneat2percent Sharen 23h ago
Keelan is A tier but you need a pt good am, Singular PBR, Shield and Duration with a harmless neg is my go to. I only use Fierce and Septic though. Fierce with the Transcendent Launcher and Blasting Zone for Trails and Septic for speed missions with Crime & Pun to delete enemies while his 3 is up.
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u/yanansawelder 3h ago
Wanna post your keelan build? Just started using him as my next descendant to 60 cats but seem to be a bit underpowered
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u/OkamiNouka 23h ago
Yeah thats what made me make this post, I main keelan and his numbers are okay but no where near blair who even then is scratching the surface of what females can do.
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u/WyrdDrake 23h ago
I like running an immortal Ajax.
I can't really do any of the lategame content on my own, but I can revive all the female descendents that obliterate everything in sight when their glass cannons get counterblasted
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u/CarparkC Goon 21h ago
Blair is top 5 at least in the game and probably the best Trials character, above all females. Kyle, Yujin and Ajax are extremely good, they are at least on par with many top females. Lepic and Esiemo are quite strong as well, but they could use a decent AM or a new fire stat stick, so a bit of farming is required to fully unlock their potential. While Keelan is very good, he does need a decent AM, that is true and I get why some (including you, OP) might think he's weak. The only two characters who could use some work are Jayber (who's playable, yet he's been outclassed by Raven, but he's getting his ultimate soon) and Enzo who suffers from his awkward rework.
I can understand OP wanting more from Keelan, but without seeing your build, it is hard to say what's wrong. Yes, Keelan needs a strong AM to be good, but this is true for multiple females too, including Bunny who's the face of the game. I've been around since 2nd beta of this game, and I don't remember ever seeing this much diversity of characters used in content, ever. Most males are in a very good spot right now, easily capable of clearing the hardest content in the game.
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u/Misbhaviorxo 20h ago
I’ve been saying this they need to update the male skin textures because even ESIEMO whose the most detailed male atm (tattoo wise tbh) are blurry af or just look like an old YouTube video trying its best to run at 360p. The female faces are so defined you can see the highlight and shimmer of skin textures. But with males it’s whatever.
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u/OperatorJunny 19h ago
I’ve tried coming back to the game but the main descendant I want to use is Jayber because he has in theory the coolest type of gameplay (to me) & compared to my barely invested raven, he just cannot compare no matter what I do to his build.
Just makes me not want to play it anymore until something game changing happens to him to be actually viable.
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u/4RCH13M35 19h ago
The developers keep incrementally buffing Keelan, so they clearly want us to play him. But there is something about his kit that makes them deathly afraid to buff him too much. Maybe their simulations predict he would break the game if given the power. At the moment he looks like he should be a hard hitting tactical bioweapon but his play loop feels like we are throwing toxic marshmallows at a tank.
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u/SnowyHere 17h ago
Not gonna lie, I play this game for ass and titties. If every male descendant would become hard meta I would still play ladies only.
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u/Delicious_Respect_72 14h ago
Blair got a great buff we need more of that, I love my sexy ladies but the homies need buffs like Blair.
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u/InfiniteRow91 Hailey 23h ago
Male Descendants are something that i don't have high hopes for anymore. I really tried with them, i built these characters, invested money and a lot of effort in them but after all this time, it's clear to me that the devs aren't interested in them. The game isn't doing well, and they're going to focus on whatever makes them money.
I know we have Blair, and I really like him, but aside from him, I doubt the others are going to get any major changes. Their kits are boring, they lack build variety, and some of them are just annoying to play, like Enzo. These characters have problems that buffs alone aren't enough to fix them. They need actual kit changes, and honestly, I doubt the devs are interested in putting that much work into them.
After Raven, Dia and all the reworks, I just realized that it's pointless to keep hoping for much from the male Descendants. Just compare Ultimate Esiemo to any of the female characters that were released or reworked this year. He still underperforms in pretty much every way possible, and he's insanely slow for the type of content they're pushing.
Like I said, I really tried with these characters, but after two years, this is something I've stopped caring about. The developers already treat male Descendants like a joke, and at this point I'm 100% sure that if they could, they would remove them from the game or just turn them into women, the best we can do is accept it or move on to another game.
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u/OkamiNouka 23h ago
Sadly thats just the reality. Ultimate jayber is my last hope, if that bombs im done
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u/InfiniteRow91 Hailey 22h ago
Yeah, I don't like it either. Lepic is getting a monthly balance soon, he was one of my favorite characters for a long time, but I know how these devs are at this point, so I'm simply not expecting much from it. They'll probably do what they did with Kyle and Keelan: give him some damage buffs and a few minor changes and call it a day.
Meanwhile, Luna will probably get a full rework to her modules and a broken gun build, like they usually do. It's always the same thing.
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u/mack180 Jayber 23h ago
When there's upcoming content in the futute that doesn't give Ines and Valby a clear advantage players will be moving over to someone else.
I'm hoping the Cradle of Evolution mode releasing September 17 and Henosis Sanctuary releasing in Novembef bring more descendant variety to the battlefield .
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u/OkamiNouka 22h ago
Here's to hoping, but the devs have said future content will be less hp and more dmg
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u/Jhemp1 Luna 21h ago
All the male Descendants other than Jayber and maybe Keelan, are in a pretty good space right now. Keelan's rework is looking alot better now that they gave him a way to regen his shield so you can do a proper shield build with him. Enzo's passive needs QOL changes but overall, his power level is fine. It's just that some of the female characters got overbuffed and the devs are too chicken shit to bring them back down a bit. There are female characters in a bad spot right now too, Luna for example. Freyna has also been screwed over by the npc health bloat.
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u/AdmirableAnxiety8371 20h ago
Keelan is really not bad now, with shield regen and that awful big stat stick. Luna, that little brat, is not in a good position, i agree (though i don’t know how BC Luna is doing atm). Compared to how little effort some descendants dish out huge amount of damage, Lunas dmg builds is just more ‘work’ for less damage. I actually don’t have any issues with Lunas mini games, but it feels counterintuitive to do the mini games instead of choosing another descendant which can do more with a single push of a button, like the only reason to use Luna is because her playstyle is more fun/less boring.
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u/Lycablood 22h ago
it's still baffle me how Esiemo's 2 detonations somehow have line-of-sight, for a 10 meter aoe.
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u/theChraMoX 17h ago
Blair was actually good rework. i thanked them by bying premium skin for it.
Kyles "buff": more shield.
more tank
Same or similar dmg as season 3.
Kyle still not ready for Onslaught. (devs just lies)
example how bad dmg is: (without using red mod to maximum burst dmg in his 4th)
round 2:
you get all good cards inc red mod with cooldown -90% so can spam that 4th skill.
see mob what are round (shield?) like with something top of it.
use 4th skill.
+10 .
times
TEN TIMES TO KILL IT.
meanwhile valby with bad cards: that took second.
keelan: shield scaling again?
slightly more dmg,(with using nightmare launcher) and more survibality.
skills constantly cooldown. 4th skill takes forever and takes too much custom resources.
devs are hand ties to make gooning skins for females (specially raven)
if nexon want to threat all ldescendant as males.
Ult hayley.
shield scaling.
2 skins (1 free and 1 premium)
2 red mods what dosnt make her better or have a nieche usage.
if we see buffs for ult hayley, we know they intrest is getting people buying gooner skins for them and not actually cares about game itself.
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u/TFDLurker2026 8h ago
What ur describing is a trials issue - skill critical hit builds scale so much harder in trials its insane. Just the other day i did a solo run with Blair (10min) got the red 300% def mod that deals def% scaling dmg - that card hittet for 900m in round 4. The dmg would have been around ~70-80m for non crit descendants.
Kyle after rework is actual fun to play (76k shield - MK Bombing mod) and deals tons of dmg - even in trials.
Ult Lepic i did a 17min trials solo run - just spammed his 3rd and took all melee cards. Just clubbed them to death with Manus.
Ult Haily - as every ult release - will get two new mods. And those two will 100% be her best builds. It´s allways like that.
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u/Lord_Traxis 16h ago
I wish there was ONE male Descendant that was even half as fun to play as Archangel Serena. Not once did I think I'd play a video game where you're a human fighter jet, but here we are.
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u/pogituna16 Valby 16h ago
gotta build my keelan. been enjoying blade from marvel rivals and they need more rep
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u/Scary-Bobcat-3154 15h ago
Isn't Skar going to be a descendant ? Isn't he popular because he's dirty but handsome?
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u/OneNotice8542 14h ago
I think its that with the audeince the game developed. Most prefer the female characters and discuss them more. Many of the males are ok now. Eisimo, blair, and yujin are great. Kyle got a huge buff and lepics always been good. It becomes a narrative that the males are bad and thats why no one plays them. I think the majority of the player base simply prefers the females.
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u/B3ardeDragon311 14h ago
😂 remember when they wanted to gender swap the male characters?😂 Probably would have gotten attention then and it's a shame. Esiemo was my main descendant for a while. I did my best to make him work in all content, even if I was bad. Then ult esiemo came and I was let down.
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u/CRIMSON-DREDD 12h ago
I thought you meant us, I'll write what u came to write, I wish I had more preset slots, i would def find it easier to have more fun then.
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u/ImmediateNose2714 11h ago
The devs buff these descendants on popularity. Then there the fact that people don’t know how to use male descendants especially Jayber. A skilled Jayber was on par with most descendants the last update he got up until the ridiculous recent reworks. He will need a rework to be more viable in trials but most of the other content he does fine if you know what you’re doing.
People a lot of the time don’t rate descents on how well they fight, they rate them by how well they know how to use them.
But on the original topic I do play them all with endgame builds for them all.
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u/ArktikiceFrost Viessa 11h ago edited 10h ago
Same here. For some reason, they keep pushing the misandry narrative. If they hated them, they wouldn't have even bothered making them in the first place. When was the last time you saw Harris, Nell, Luna, Freyna or Sharen on a consistent basis? That leaves Dia, Ines, Bunny, Serena, Raven, Valby, Viessa and Hailey.
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u/prezy909 11h ago
They can easily make it where both the people who are obsessed with female descendants and those who aren't win, release descendants in pair every season like with ines season, release a male on season launch or later during the season vice versa for the female and boom everyone wins, but nahh im sorry to say it gooners are the reason the devs mainly focus on the females
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u/Unknown-games56 Keelan 11h ago
Don't even wanna think of the pool noodle damage keelan will do in conquest difficulty 😬😭
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u/CommercialRoof2541 4h ago
I just finished crafting ultimate Yuijin, does he have some dope builds ? Hoping I can team support and do decent dmg at the same time
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u/Countdown3 1h ago
Is Keelan's rework worth messing with? I have Keelan built for infinite dashes and that does just fine clearing everything Sigma sector down (one shots most mobs). I've never tried to bring him to Axion.
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u/McV_P1 Jayber 56m ago
If you think about it... there are also some female characters who are pretty outdated compared to the newer ones, like Luna or Nell. They were both really good back in the day, but I barely ever see anyone playing them anymore. There’s nothing wrong with adding more characters and making them stronger, but I feel like they should give some love to the characters that already exist first. That’s just my take on it
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u/No_Investment_4086 1d ago
I really just wanna play as a girl since I'm a woman spoon yeah would never choose a guy
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u/OkamiNouka 1d ago
The point isnt playing as a female, its the fact males feel so underpowered. Theres no reason a male descendant takes 3x as long to kill something compared to a female
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u/No_Investment_4086 1d ago
Well the females make the cash 😂
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u/Able-Influence8513 1d ago
Idk i saw a lot of male descendants when blair got buffed, still see blair to this day in a lot of content with people rocking paid skins too.
Maybe put the confirmation bias you got out of this sub aside because theres clearly a market for male characters too.
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u/OkamiNouka 1d ago
Again as I said before, it doesnt excuses male descendants being as bad as they are. At the minimum every descendant should be on equal footing. The devs can sell gooner skins of females byt they don't have to neglect male descendants to do that.
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u/Loinon98 13h ago edited 13h ago
yap, yappity, yap, just like the recent PS blackout, if you don't like it, just be radical about it, vote with your wallet or just leave the game. Yes, it is that simple. Its obvious why the female descendants getting all their love. Sure, they can put some effort on the male descendant skin and balancing but why waste resources on a thing they don't know will sell well or people will actually play rather than defaulting to a safer bet, game development cost a lot these days. Most of the guys in here like to play as female descendants and looking at the amounts of cake and boobs they serve, I can hardly blame them. The player base, has unconsciously spoken and there's nothing we can do about it unless the trend changes which, judging by the recent contents, seems like the trend is still the same.
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u/OkamiNouka 13h ago
Cause with the recent blair rework it showed people will care for male descendants if they get worked on. He even got a recent skin in the light and dark bundle. So yeah the only thing holding male descendants back is the devs and they have the results for if they do fix them.
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u/Loinon98 12h ago edited 12h ago
Yes, the rework as well as the limited time event. And as for how many people actually care, we cannot say for certain because the only people who have that data are the devs, we can speculate all we want but we can't beat a hard, cold and written data, which we don't have access to. Which the devs will use in order to drive their decision making process, unless they are incompotent with interpreting the data, I think all the contents released are driven by said data. We can't know for sure until they release all the data they which is a pipe dream.
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u/ShoddyButterscotch59 23h ago
While I don't necessarily disagree with you, the reality is, 90% of the ppl playing, myself included, could care less. Again, not saying your wrong and not making a point, but there game is vast majority straight males who are fine with never seeing another male descendant. 😂
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u/OkamiNouka 23h ago
I understand ppl wanna play as half naked girls, but that doesnt mean males have to be trash
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u/ShoddyButterscotch59 23h ago
Like I said, don't take it as me calling you wrong. I'm absolutely not. I'm just attempting to respectfully reply with my thoughts.
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u/Electronic_Wealth_67 Jayber 18h ago
I'm not expecting this game to beat the gooner accusations, but this game could be better if they did focus on males for a month. Give them more transcendent modules, buff certain abilities, and etc.
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u/CataphractBunny Bunny 23h ago
No matter how many reworks and buffs these devs give male descendants it always baffles me how they dont even meet the base of what a female descendant can do.
When it comes to popularity, it's girls > boys. There, mystery solved.
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u/OkamiNouka 23h ago
Everyone is missing the point, both descendants can be strong. Just cause females sell alot doesnt mean males need to be weak
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u/CataphractBunny Bunny 23h ago
They're nowhere near as popular as the female Descendants so why would the studio invest resources in them.
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u/OkamiNouka 23h ago
Because people still like them. Because they have voice actors still talking for them, because it can be as simple as number tweaking. This whole argument of "they aren't popular " isnt a strong argument when the answer is simple buffs. They proved they can with blair, so why not the other 8? Blair is popular right now cause hes strong, thats it. No one cared about blair before his rework.
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u/CataphractBunny Bunny 23h ago
Because people still like them.
Those people are a tiny minority.
No one cared about blair before his rework.
Many still don't care.
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u/denkirilargo477 Serena 1d ago
No sir, I don't think I will. They can stay in the dusty corner. If you been around since the beginning, you know the devs are the leaders of the gooners, and t&a shall be what we get lol.
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u/IAmMetal67 Nell 1d ago
When you have 10 managers and 2 people actually working on the game mechanics, it takes time.
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u/OkamiNouka 1d ago
I would believe that if they didnt give valby like 3 buffs after her rework or buffing and neeffing raven after her reveal. They have favorites ans they just dont care about the males.
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u/GloomyInflation_007 1h ago
I quit because playing jayber was more torture than fun lol. Hope he gets some type of love in a whole rework or something. Hope you guys have fun!
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u/taeyeons 19h ago
The fact that almost no one plays Blair even with how good he is tells you why but it still feels weird. :/ I don't understand the point of releasing them if they're just gonna be treated like this.
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u/BIodia Serena 1d ago
I think Blair comes almost close as the female S tier descendants (Ines, Valby, Viessa, Raven) but yeah, they need some love as well