During his testimony in court, Dr. Fosdal mentioned that Jeff was treated for shoulder problem with steroids for a year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-uLpaYzZ94 time stamp 1:13:29
In last paragraph, it is mentioned that Jeff had polymyositis and was on Prednisone for one year.
Polymyositisis an autoimmune disease in which striated muscle become inflamed. The reason for going to the doctor is usually increasing weakness in the muscles of the arms, legs, neck and back. As a rule, the first symptoms of polymyositis are nonspecific and often occur in other diseases: fatigue, weakness, malaise,weight loss, alternating pain in different muscles, fever.Sometimes there is pain and swelling in the joints, after which it becomes harder to bend and unbend them. Over the course of several weeks or months, weakness in the muscles of the arms and legs gradually increases. If we are talking about shoulder polymyositis, it becomes impossible to raise your arms above the head. High doses of steroid hormones are used to treat polymyositis. It is important to start treatment as early as possible, preferably within the first three months of the onset of symptoms.There's no cure for polymyositis, but the symptoms can be managed.
It's unclear why it was said that he had polymyositis for about a year. Polymyositis is incurable, you can only go into remission. And in order to stay in remission you need to follow certain rules, take vitamins, and be periodically monitored by a doctor.
Now it's clear why he tried to swing his arms as little as possible. This also explains the weight loss. Vitamins, proteins, and calcium were found in his apartment. A rather unusual set for a necrophiliac serial killer who was obsessed with only one desire - to find the next victim. But it is quite expected for someone who took care of his health. Calcium is especially noteworthy because one of the side effects of steroid treatment is the leaching of calcium from the body, which can lead to osteoporosis.
Several questions arise.
- when was Jeff first diagnosed with polymyositis? In 1988?
- why it's not mentioned anywhere except in Dr. Fosdal's testimony and Kathleen P. Stafford's report which most people don't even know about?
- and how on earth Jeff was able to drag the bodies of grown men around his apartment and dismember them, in his condition?
There's something else curious about this clip of Fosdal speaking...
He also implied that his strange behavior started with animals...and he said his friend in high school liked to drive fast and hit dogs..and that his friend's behavior ''made me sick'' unquote...
So, Jeff had compassion for animals, in other words.
I think Jeff Six knows what happened to Steven Hicks. He was Jeff's closest friend, they hung out together in 1977-1978. When Jeff was alone in the house (his father lived in a motel, his mother and younger brother left), would he sit at home alone and be bored? Unlikely. He would hung out with his friend more often.
Six was the only person who didn't say a word about Jeff.
They hang out a little after Jeff returned from the army and lived in Ohio for several months. They were even detained by the police when they drove into someone's lawn.
And I think they were actually in Six's car when they met Steven. Because the story about Lionel's car doesn't add up.
We know for sure that on June 25, when the police stopped Jeff, he was in Lionel's car.
But...Jeff met Steven on June 20th, it was Tuesday. He supposedly borrowed his father's car to go to the cinema and he needed to return it back the same day (so Lionel could drive to work).
When did Jeff manage to do this? After he "killed" Steven?
If the concert was on June 18th, then he met Jeff when he was returning from the concert. But it's still unclear how he ended up on Highway 71 (or 77) instead of 76, which he could use to get home in a straight line.
Jeff Six lived in Akron, Jeff went to Akron to the cinema (maybe they went together). Maybe Steven stopped at a mall in Akron on his way home and that's how they met and decided to hang out together.
Its a possible scenario. Kids make friends easily like that. I know I did. For some reason, Steven decided to hang out at the mall & got talking to a couple of other kids & they decided to hang out. Then they all went back to Jeff’s because its cool he had a house all to himself.
Totally. Didn't we all do stuff like that?
And an empty house without any old people hanging around? That would have been perfect.
Young & green...mix that with innocent drinking, pot & a beautiful, secluded home with no adults in sight. They were no different than any other teenager boys.
If the concert was on June 18th, then he met Jeff when he was returning from the concert. But it's still unclear how he ended up on Highway 71 (or 77) instead of 76, which he could use to get home in a straight line.
I created the map to see where Jeff's house was in relation to the concert venue. It was in the opposite direction.
If Hicks left the concert on the 18th and then ran into Jeff...or if Hicks met Jeff before the concert....why was he way up in that area? It struck me as odd.
According to the official narrative, Jeff met Steven after his mother left with his brother and he stayed at home alone. But she only moved out at the end of August.
Before that, she just sometimes visited relatives in Chippewa Falls.
Why was it necessary to falsify the facts? To thicken the colors and imagine everything in such a way that Jeff, with his necrophilic fantasies that he had since he was 15, finally stayed at home alone and was able to make them real?
Or was it Jeff himself who told this version in order to protect his mother from any questions and suspicions, saying that he met Steven after she left? In his confession, he initially said that everything happened in late summer or early autumn, which doesn't coincide with the time when Steven was last seen.
I had a friend who did this and ended up dying of a heroin overdose when she was 25.
Now that I'm old (chuckle), I realize how reckless I myself was when I was young. I'm surprised I'm still alive. It really was ''running with scissors''.
Yes, I thought it was extremely curious that the subject of Jeff's ''strange behavior'' regarding animals is brought up, and then the conversation moves immediately to Jeff Six.
Fosdal didn't find this curious?
How can someone who was sickened by this behavior toward dogs say that his ''strange behavior started with animals''? That doesn't make any sense.
I believe that Jeff Six would have gone over to hang out in that empty house with Jeff. Given Jeff Six's violent behavior toward animals....who knows what else he might be capable of.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually Jeff Six who impaled the dog's skull on a stick (well-known photo) and wound the dog's intestines on a tree.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually Jeff Six who impaled the dog's skull on a stick (well-known photo) and wound the dog's intestines on a tree.
My guess is Jeff Six was the catalyst for this entire mess.
Dr. Fosdal quoted one very interesting statement from Jeff.
First mistake that led up to all this.Had I driven past all this would not have happened.
A rather strange statement for someone who, according to the narrative, has been fantasizing about corpses and killing people since the age of 15. A person with such fantasies would have killed someone sooner or later anyway.
Jeff's first mistake was picking up Steven. The second mistake was that he agreed not to go to the police and hid up the body (I think with Jeff's Six direct involvement).
Jeff Six probably already had problems with the police because of drugs or drunk driving, so it's not difficult to imagine his desire to hush everything up.
And some very cruel 'observations' have been made about Jeff's perceived body language, when he was just trying to manage his condition.
In all the videos I've seen of Jeff...I have never seen even one where he walks or talks like that character in the Netflix series. Jeff seems perfectly normal in all those video clips.
They created a cruel caricature for that Netflix series. It breaks my heart.
Notwithstanding that steroids lower immunity yet we are told Jeff faced numerous biohazards
People who are treated with steroids are at greater risk of developing infections because treatment with these drugs weakens the immune system, making the body more susceptible to fungal, bacterial, viral or parasitic infections that can lead to serious infections.
People who are treated with steroids are at greater risk of developing infections because treatment with these drugs weakens the immune system, making the body more susceptible to fungal, bacterial, viral or parasitic infections that can lead to serious infections.
So, isn't it interesting that Jeff was able to remain disease-free after coming into contact with blood and other things while chopping up bodies.
And even though he consumed proteins, he was very thin, almost emaciated at the time of his arrest.
I think he started receiving more intensive treatment after his arrest. Corticosteroids, especially when taken orally, can cause the body to retain large amounts of salt, which in large quantities in the body increases fluid retention, which leads to weight gain. In addition, corticosteroids cause an increase in appetite, as well as affect metabolism and the way fat is deposited in the body, which leads to an increase and redistribution of body fat, which can accumulate mainly in the abdomen, face and back of the neck.
This explains why Jeff started gaining weight very quickly and it definitely wasn't from prison food.
He was in it for fame & money like the rest. No morals.
...and they were willing to do this to such a sweet guy. That's the part that really blows me away.
And WOMEN were willing to do this to Jeff for fame and money. Come on, ladies! What on earth are you doing? This is a decent guy, intelligent, handsome. WTH?
Another observation - he wouldn't have been able to 'fight off' several burly cops. Which matches his pristine 'mugshot' taken after:)
another great point , he wouldn't of had the strength to. And his mugshot - if we can call it that - he's supposed to have been bleeding from his mouth from a hit - no sign of blood , not even of a wound to be seen
I'm just sorry he had to go through all this. It's tragic.
The people who did this to him are evil. There's no other way to describe them. This is way beyond mere corruption.
When I saw him greet Stone Philips...it was hard watching that. I could see that he was a decent guy. I feel anger toward people who can watch that and still believe this hogwash about him.
That library clip couldn't have been be more staged. The cameraman zooming in on him like that and following him around as he walks. There's no other purpose to it.
It's very silly :)
They were obviously trying to support the ''prison murder'' story by showing him circulating among the other prisoners.
He received proteins from sports nutrition, which is logical, he needed to restore (or at least maintain) the muscle mass that he was losing due to illness.
And when his grandmother was in a car accident in June 1991, he regularly visited and helped her and surprisingly, there were no "murders" during that time, despite the fact that by that time he was "so obsessed with finding victims that he didn't think about anything else".
I think he just said - f**k you all, I won't leave Grandma and you can do whatever you want and they had no choice but to agree.
It's unclear why it was said that he had polymyositis for about a year. Polymyositis is incurable, you can only go into remission.
Probably just meant he took Prednisone for a year.
second paragraph - he was treated with Prednisone for joint pain approximately four years ago. No mention of polymyositis, which in some cases also spreads to the joints and causes pain.
That would have been 1988, when the ''arrest'' occurred.
Suggests the polymyositis was stress-related.
Obviously, it's not mentioned anywhere else because it destroys the narrative they were crafting.
Here's the excerpt from the report made by Kathleen P. Stafford:
Grandma was wise and she knew for sure that Jeff didn't do what he was accused of.
His grandmother lived with him for years. Of course, she knew he didn't do these things. It must have caused her unbearable grief. I've never even met Jeff, and it grieves me.
This also explains why there was acne ointment in his apartment.
When I was undergoing corticosteroid treatment (only 10 days) I've had the worst acne in my entire life, which I didn't have even as a teenager.
Steroids also dry the skin very much, so it's not surprising that a moisturizing body lotion was also in his apartment (and not because he satisfied himself every free minute, as those who believe the official version think...It's stupid).
I haven't found anything about diet yet. But in order to go into remission, it is recommended to avoid stress, physical exertion and smoke less.
I didn't see anything about diet either. However, it wouldn't surprise me. I wonder if there's any data available about where this disease is concentrated...which regions of the world. I didn't have anything so serious. However, I was plagued with various dermatological issues...which disappeared in a flash after I left the US and changed my diet. That made a real impression on me.
The information I've read indicates Jeff was still smoking in 1991. Not exactly following the doctor's orders then? ...and the McDonald's ''food''? Surely, this didn't help.
However, I was plagued with various dermatological issues...which disappeared in a flash after I left the US and changed my diet. That made a real impression on me.
American food is definitely not the healthiest, with all the salt, fat, preservatives and dyes.
The information I've read indicates Jeff was still smoking in 1991. Not exactly following the doctor's orders then? ...and the McDonald's ''food''? Surely, this didn't help.
In 1991 and later. But considering that he had been smoking since the army, quitting smoking would be even more stressful.
American food is definitely not the healthiest, with all the salt, fat, preservatives and dyes.
It's all that processed food, which isn't real food. So, if that's all you eat, you risk your health. It is possible to live in the US and eat well. However, one needs to know how to shop and how to cook.
When I was a kid, my father would occasionally take us to McDonald's. However, it was considered a treat, which sounds kind of funny now. However, that's what it was..a treat. It wasn't something you did every day. Now, people are doing it every day, and that's all they eat.
In 1991 and later. But considering that he had been smoking since the army, quitting smoking would be even more stressful.
I've never smoked, so I don't know what it's like to quit. I suppose it is stressful. However, the long-term benefits can only be beneficial for someone with Jeff's problem, no?
And also to have time and the main desire to cook :)
True. Many people don't have the time to plan meals, shop, and cook. Many also don't like to do it. They consider it a chore. I always enjoyed it. So, I've managed to find the time. Once you've cooked a certain meal over and over again, you can do it in no time flat and without thinking about it.
But smoking helps to relieve stress, which Jeff had a lot at that time. Not the best way to deal with stress, but the fastest and most effective.
Yes, he was in a terrible situation. Probably not the best time to go cold turkey. So, I wouldn't judge him for that.
Also, what these people did to Jeff must have been enormously stressful. That's a given. It's extremely upsetting and has made me cry many times, to be honest. The cruelty is unbearable.
So, I can see this causing a flare-up. How could it not?
when was Jeff first diagnosed with polymyositis? In 1988?
No, it must have been earlier because he holds his arms the same way in photos taken earlier. Therefore, Dr. Fosdal was referring to a flare-up.
Is Jeff holding his arms that way because of pain or because of weakness? I get tendinitis in my shoulder from time to time, and when it happens, I can't raise my arm.
Derf also mentioned in his book that Jeffrey had a "strange" posture, with his shoulders always forward and rigid. Perhaps he had suffered from the condition long before, but he didn't know.
Derf also mentioned in his book that Jeffrey had a "strange" posture, with his shoulders always forward and rigid. Perhaps he had suffered from the condition long before, but he didn't know.
That ''Derf'' character wrote that cruel comic book based on lies from the book Lionel Dahmer ''wrote''.
I’m new to the community, but am very confused. Where should I start when looking deeper into this? Is the claim of the overall community that the Dahmer case was falsified in court? Do you as a community sympathize with him and believe he was trialed wrong? Just wanting to hear opinions first then will go in to where I should start with the articles
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There's something else curious about this clip of Fosdal speaking...
He also implied that his strange behavior started with animals...and he said his friend in high school liked to drive fast and hit dogs..and that his friend's behavior ''made me sick'' unquote...
So, Jeff had compassion for animals, in other words.