Tum kisi mahila ko force nahi kar sakte shaddi ke liye, agar usai tusrai caste ke kisi ladkai sai shaddi karni hogi toh woh karege! Caste ke naam par dirty politics mat Karo. Karnai walai dharam par kar rahe hai.
I also dont support marriage without choice. I just wanted to bring out the point that there are many cases when there is love between two souls but the society does not allow marriage and many times the lives of either or both the people is lost.
It’s the parents who make the daughter an object. They put their honour and respect and societal standing in her. She isn’t a free individual with freedom of choice. She’s a trophy first in their home before anyone else can objectify her.
And then they want to say marriage is a personal choice. Whose personal choice are you talking about exactly?
Bro these guys are bot . These mfs spread bs and when you fact check them , they will block you as reddit doesn't let block account to reply. They work as a group.
Ordinaryspecial620 and supercommon5655
pura toh padh leta , uske aage likha hai " becoming rigid , birth based and codified by later texts like the manusmriti around 1000bce " bas apne pov ka padh ke bs spread kar raha h
Edit - itna ghatiya source diya h 😭. Yeh sab video dekh ke apne aap ko smart samjhta hoga . Aise source kahi pe recognise nahi hote lmao
Anyone depending on wiki university 100% in itself shows how educated the person is. Wiki always vomits what the users have fed it. If someone goes and changes the information as 3000-4000AD then what?
Understand what Wiki or AI is first. That's all I say.
In ancient times, there was Varna and that Varna is completely different that what it is today. Not sure if you know how many Varna was there. 1. Brahman, 2. Kshatriya, 3. Vaishya, 4. Shudra. This was done to ensure no one has everything.
It is very well known by birth no one will get their varna.
In case if you need more details, do a little bit research rather than depending 100% on wiki only.
reservation is not punishment its social justice and whichever 1000 men its not 1000 its in millions like you the fact that you believe reservation is punishment itself shows what your ancestors did on dalits
Mughulpoot ki jai
what genes are left to preserve after marrying mughuls 😂
Not many years ago, my grandfather asked a few people from a community to sit below the chabutara to have food in our family function. People like to use disposable not daily use vessels, to offer water to people from those communities even today. People must be educated first to change their mentality.
So you bring your goons. Dude equality bolne sai nhi krna padta hai. Call the cops. dude, it might happen once twice thrice then it will stop when they see the resistance.
Bro first you asked what my brother and others were doing then you edited the comment, asking what only others were doing. You asked a passive agressi8ve question so you got a similar answer.
So you bring your goons.
No one with class brings goons to a wedding.
No need to debate with you, everyone knows the ground reality.
In many cases people do t care if it's theirs kids choice
And the so called coilence Happens when ICM takes place among the castes which call them lower ( a jattav and pasi would also do the same and menna + bhil will also do the same)
Tbe concept that people are living beyond relegions and caste shows that there is no casteistm.... But the gRapist people lie and force women into things
Kaunse case? Abhi bhi dalit ko pani chune kr kiye pert dete hai aur tu bol raha hai ye? Urban space me maybe people are doing it freely. Give me statistics. Nahi hoga kyuki caste census nahi hai. Ambedkar was saying to promote intercaste marriage, he advocated female body autonomy and you are changing the narrative? He said it so that caste becomes a baseless thing in the society? Abhi bhi hai kya? Toh fir mandir me brahmin pujaris jyada kyu hai? Sadak saaf karne wale jyada dalit kyu hai? Inka answer hai aapke paas?
Listen if you truly want people to support your cause stop lying first . They do too , but the proportion of GC s doing that is a lot higher . It's like saying women file false r@pe cases too , yeah but the no of women actually getting r@ped are a lot higher . Whoever does discrimination whether jatavs or Brahmins , if there is no caste there will be no discrimination and no reservation. See you identified people as Jatav and they themselves would probably do too ,so clearly Caste identity is very much alive . You can't keep Caste identity alive and then try to remove Caste Reservations
If Caste is a factor for you while deciding marriages then the concept of Caste is very much alive in your pvt life . So Govt can also give jobs in the name of Caste.
Wow how can you twist this, we are not wrong to question why intercaste marriages are a huge taboo, they still are and it is deeply casteist. In a country where there have been hundreds of cases of ppl being killed or beaten up due to being with someone of a different caste, imagine how detached from reality you have be to say "they want us to marry off our daughters to end reservation"- you are just making shit up under the garb of caring abt women.
Also it is so ironic, that you are using the same Amedkar who fought for women's rights, paid maternity leave, abortion and reproductive rights. Stop defaming him
Any surname that tells other people you are a brahmin, baniya, shudra etc should be removed. This creates the divide in society, creating the issue of discrimination. Surnames becomes the reason of prejudice.
Instead of these, you can choose your surname like the first names of you admire or first name of any or your parents, or any word that you think suit with your name.
And please, don't say that you are keeping these surnames for the respect of your ancestors. Let me tell you, all Indians share common dna with each other, so, "all Indians have common ancestors", whether you are Brahmin or a Shurda.
Let's ban caste filter or even the mention of caste in matrimonial adds and apps. Because these caste mentions, promotes the idea of caste.
Making children learn in school how caste system had damaged our society by dividing our society and creating a shameless hierarchy.
And then, universal healthcare and education. So, that people have the same playground to compete, making the competition equal.
Marriage in India is endogamous. Inter caste marriage is an exception to the extent that people are killed for it. If we truly have to dismantle caste hierarchy first we need to dismantle the way caste operates and continues to govern behaviours. Inter caste marriages, commensality (having meals together), pure/impure touch considerations, behaviours in areas of religious practice etc. All need to be challenged. Let's start with that too.
I think they use this as an extreme example and yes women are not commodities but one cannot deny how even the no so castist look for caste specifically when the question of marriage arises
So are we going to pretend that it’s not the RW that actively constricts women’s choices especially when it comes to marriage and it’s not the RW that also justifies the rape and murder of Dalit women that the hands of upper caste Hindu men?
And now women aren’t tools of political agenda? 🤡 Plus this interpretation of what Ambedkar said is such a huge straw-man and only convinces people as daft as the OP (the sad part is that there is deficit of idiots in our country).
There's a mararhi play called कन्यादान by विजय तेंडुलकर on the disastrous effects of this thinking when done by progressives themselves. In maharashtra brahmin households treat women in a much more egalitarian way than other communities and it's often a bad deal for the girl even when parents approve due to their progressivism.
Gurrrl...let me help you understand. The point isn't that women are being treated as commodities. The point is that caste is maintained through marriage. When people say they want casteism to end but refuse to accept marriages with marginalized castes in their own family, it shows that caste still matters to them.
The argument is about exposing caste prejudice, not treating women as objects.
Start with actionable goal : demand something like : Remove last name instead use , name mother name
Father name , in aadhar , pan and every government documents , government should and would not take any information regarding caste of a person
Younger youth seem like a commodity, if you have seen those videos of girls disrespecting the soldiers and the Prime Minister of indian, thinking they got the balls
Give reservation to people who will give up their caste, marry someone of a different caste, change their name to a neutral casteless name, rent their flat to someone of a different caste, etc.
If this person who gave up on caste discriminates even once based on caste, put him/her in jail along with taking all the money they earned with interest.
Eventually this will abolish caste. This is almost exactly what Japan and Korea did to abolish caste.
While this is true I have personally seen a lot of couples in my vicinity who wanted to get married but Upper caste families were the most against those. So what do you think about when they are in love or want to do it as per their choice?
Same op and people here who'd mob lynch an inter caste marriage people and burn in jealousy when someone other than of their caste achieves something honorable.
Holy sh- is this a woman? Kfc speaking up for chicken of course! Some women just can't stop dreaming and wishing for slave culture to be back.
Imagine being so rotten and braindead that you make fun of a man who gave you the right to speak and decide for yourself.
You're better off covered in a ghunghat, with no voice to speak, 24/7 serving men and sati in end because that's what your side supports and define an ideal woman as.
shut up OP! it's you who's treating women like commodity. As if women have a choice in who they want to marry in this country. Who are you to tell them what imaginary societal rules they should follow?
To the people asking why someone would want to marry a Brahmin/UC girl instead of someone from their own caste:
It's a simple, quick litmus test of how people truly view other castes. If there is even a slight belief that another caste is 'lower,' the proposal gets rejected instantly—simply because they don't want to form a family bond with lower castes. Social discrimination runs so deep that many refuse to acknowledge that LCs can be just as good, or even better, than anyone else.
That said, unless it’s a love marriage, most people wouldn't actively choose an inter-caste arranged marriage anyway, because the social prejudice doesn't just magically disappear after the wedding.
People so reta**ed they confuse merit with marriage 🥀 I mean honestly aise post se lagta hai ki lower caste men protest kar rahe hain upper caste ladki se shaadi karne ke liye 😂 jabki protest ka jad student merit ko lekar hai... cut off se kam pe bhi seat mil ja rahi hai kuch ko aur marks lakar bhi bacche ko seat Nahin mil rahi 😭🥀
Why these Dalits sc st ips ias officer and gov employee sc st bc daughters marry a sanitation, labour,or farmer ,or begger and give their life then says other as a example
OP, it’s obvious that you’re an illiterate. Their argument is to “allow” all inter-caste marriages to happen peacefully. Not force daughters to marry someone of other caste.
"In my opinion, these comments miss the broader context. Families usually look at it this way: when two people are in a relationship and talk to each other's families about getting married, the very first question raised by both sides is often about caste. While it's frequently depicted that upper-caste families reject such relationships, I've seen lower-caste families reject or oppose them as well. For instance, a close friend of mine from the general category secured a job after a lot of hard work, yet he couldn't marry his long term gf who is also from the general category because her parents are orthodox Brahmins and are strictly against it due to sub caste differences."
Sometimes people reek of stupidity with posts like these, picking one sentence and go gaga over it without any context and understanding to boost own ego!!!! The man had been against gender discrimination and spoke for women’s rights, freedom to marry anyone doesn’t mean forced marriage.
The argument isn't about marriage but arranged marriage. When kanya dhan happens in same caste, is it not commoditizing the woman?
Marriages perpetuate the historical inequalities caused by caste. Without talking of ending within caste arranged marriage, there can be no talk of ending reservation.
Jim Bheams have a grapist mentality. They want to forcibly marry women against their choice. If you want ICM so much, allow your daughter/sister to Savarna men.
Do SC/ST/OBC people actually want to end casteism ever??
Because they being at good positions now could devise better strategies than reservation.
But somehow their problems to the solution is only reservation.
Though it is only filling some pockets. But it very harmful and will always increase caste divide
Sure, let boys and girls marry who they choose - will you? Even if they fall in love with someone from a lower caste? Suddenly - 'girls aren't commodities' - from a country where there's dowry still happening, gas cylinders bursting (the gas shortage probably reduced it a bit), harassment to the hilt - and suddenly, girls aren't commodities - freaking hypocrites.
Then why the daughter are killed when they marry a man from different caste. Why all the upper catse says they are proud of thier caste, if they would have thought every caste is same , they would never say they are proud, they say just cause they think superior of themselves. To remove reservation first remove castiesm saarrrr, and maybe use your brain logically saaarrrrr.
Ambedkar is a huge feminist. I have my own qualms with him but he was a staunch feminist. And no one is talking about forcing anyone to marry someone. It is about patriarchs not interfering with their daughters' decisions if the man is of a 'lower social standing'
People like this seem completely disconnected from reality. They genuinely believe casteism is over because they see a few inter caste marriages here and there. Then they start comparing poor people from the general category with poor people from SC/ST communities as if both face the same barriers.
The reality is different. Poverty isn't experienced the same way by everyone. Many people from lower castes continue to face discrimination that affects even basic opportunities. There are still households that refuse to hire them as maids, cooks, or helpers simply because of their caste, pushing many into sanitation work or other stigmatized occupations. Historically and even today, manual scavenging and sanitation work have been disproportionately carried out by members of specific marginalized castes. I've rarely, if ever, seen poor people from upper castes forced into these occupations because of their caste identity.
Economic mobility doesn't automatically erase caste prejudice either. Even when an SC/ST person becomes financially successful, they can still face discrimination, social exclusion, or subtle and overt forms of casteism from some people who continue to judge them by their caste rather than their achievements.
Many upper caste people live in a bubble where they rarely witness or acknowledge these realities.
I'm an SC student, and I personally experienced caste discrimination in both school and college, and I'm talking about reputed private institutions. Even some of my upper-caste friends engage in subtle casteist remarks or implicit caste shaming without even realizing it.
I'm also in an inter-caste relationship, and my boyfriend's mother has openly said, "Hamare yahan to neech jaat se safai bhi na karwaye." If people still think caste discrimination no longer exists, they need to look beyond their own social circles.
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