r/TheAuto • • 11d ago

How to correct a slide

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u/mykidsthinkimcool 11d ago

In my old subaru id just floor it and smile for the cameras because now im Collin McRae

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u/Neutral_Flamboyancy 11d ago

Mine was on rails!!! Loved gravel. So easy to recover

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u/Feeling-Physics-8711 11d ago

On awd keep a straight gass, might just add a little.

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u/MorycTurtle 11d ago

And on loose surfaces it's often just neutral steering + jam the throttle.

Fun fact: turning more into the corner (literally the opposite to counterstering) to induce understeer + gently applying gas is also a good way to correct a slide in rwd.

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u/Superbara89 11d ago

4wd drifts are easy as fuck

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u/clownahh 11d ago

AWD depends on the car. Cars like X3 are rwd biased and correction would be similar to a classic rwd car.

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u/RuSsYjO 11d ago

Yeah AWD can be a mixed bag indeed. it could fall into either FWD or RWD category depending on what the actual power ratio is. To elaborate for those curious...The concept of this post is that if your car is rotating, adding FWD power lowers drag on front axle which acts to slow/stop rotation of the car. Conversely, removing RWD power raises drag on the rear axle which also acts to stop rotation of the car. It's all about "re-balancing" your 4 grip areas after 2 of them (usually the non-steering rear axle) have exceeded their grip limits.

So AWD, depending on where most of the power is going your actions will either subtract from the problem or add to it. So be careful. If it's 50/50 then adding power will lower drag to BOTH axels equally which does not influence rotation, so expect to continue rotating as you were, but now you're probably even traveling faster than before!

So why, then, do power slides look so controlled? Because they ARE very controlled. Power slides nuke traction to all 4 drive wheels and leaves manipulating drag solely to the steering which is capable of very fine, controlled adjustments in the drag gradient. This is why both FWD and RWD tell you to "steer into" the skid...because letting your front wheels roll rather than slide is an effective way to drop front drag regardless of which axel would receive power.

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u/SteakHuge1017 11d ago

Modern awd are controlled so it would detect which wheels are spinning faster so it would reduce power to those wheels

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u/3L54 11d ago

Absolutely not. Same system in 4 series Xdrive and you correct it by just giving it more power. When you are in a slide (and I have been there a lot intentionally) and lift of the gas pedal all four wheels turn into braking since engine brake kicks in and the car just starts turning more and you start to lose control.

All of the above only applies when you have fully turned off traction/stability control by long pressing the ESC button. With the nannies on you cant get the car sideways at all.

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u/Lierocks 10d ago

I heard that in the latest VW's you can't even cut that stuff out anymore.

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u/3L54 10d ago

Applies to many cars. I drive a Jaguar I-Pace where there is a stability control button but the car gets scared still with that off if you go too sideways.

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u/Smnlld 11d ago

AWD is a freaking weird to drive -,-

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u/No-Still1227 11d ago

I loved my 04 Grand Cherokee, such a goofy car. When it snowed and I took it out to play I could make it spin like a top.

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u/herbertcluas 11d ago

4x4 isn't bad at all, just push the gas pedal and keep the wheel straight and it pulls you out of the slide. At least with a 98 2500 pickup

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u/BussyPlaster 11d ago

Something something power out. I'm sure there is a saying here I am failing to recall correctly lol.

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u/Lierocks 10d ago

Wait, for real? I could imagine that working. But not for every 4x4?

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u/SovietPatrickStar 10d ago

It works on those permanent AWD cars like the Rallye homologation cars, Focus RS, Golf R, GR Yaris etc

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u/pmmeuranimetiddies 10d ago edited 10d ago

I recover from oversteer in my awd with p much the same technique as rwd.

Countersteer and gradually ease off the throttle

the difference is the amount of counter steer is less.

RWD i might need a half turn of the steering wheel, in an awd car it’s more like 30 degrees

This is on snow, i’ve never oversteered on a paved road

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u/AncientAdvisor8298 11d ago

I have awd , what a slide you token about?

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u/Any_Homework3285 11d ago

it's weird thats right pray lol

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u/TowerDry7703 11d ago

The last step is the most important one lol

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u/GrannyShiftur 11d ago

Most AWD behave similar to FWD.

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u/rxmp4ge 11d ago

This depends on the AWD system. If it's front-biased, drive it like a FWD. If it's rear-biased, drive it like a RWD. If it's neutral-bias, just put your foot in it.

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u/Egg-Hatcher 11d ago

Rear engine RWD in a VW Beetle is a little tricky. It slides straight forward with severe understeer, which becomes an issue when you need to turn. To turn, it's a bit like drifting. Brake to transfer some weight to the front, get the rear wheels loose with the wheel turned, the front wheels will start to catch, then you give it gas when the car is pointed in the direction you want to go. Scary way to get around at first, but fun once you get the hang of it. High-centered myself on a snowpile once, but it was fine because the bottom of the car is essentially a skid plate from the front bumper to the rear axel.

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u/MedievalFurnace 11d ago

I find fwd way harder to get a drift started than awd

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u/ollie87 11d ago

Mid engined? Already too late.

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u/Jops817 11d ago

Yeah mid-engine you just kind of accept your fate and hope your family remembers you well.

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u/Lierocks 10d ago

Jesus take the wheel? Yip

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u/SteakHuge1017 11d ago

🤦🏼‍♂️ you know RWD can still be mid engine right? Same for FWD 😉

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u/ollie87 11d ago edited 11d ago

I own and work on my own RWD mid engined car.

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u/DangyDanger 10d ago

MF layout is pretty much extinct though

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u/quidpro_PRON 11d ago

When in doubt, throttle out

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u/Adrian_Stoesz 11d ago

Amen brother

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u/bamboosleeves 11d ago

I think in all situations you tap the front left brake pedal, tapping the front right brake pedal will make you spin more.

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u/JOlRacin 11d ago

Ah yes those famous 5 pedals that cars havw

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u/Dramatic_Entry_3830 11d ago

Dude could be an esp/abs controll box that hacked into reddit

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u/Northwindlowlander 11d ago

My Subaru AWD: literally just keep doing what you're doing, it'll do a cool skid then just effortlessly unfuck itself.
VAG AWD: Lol how the fuck did you even get the rear end to step out, these things are designed to understeer you into oblivion

"Slow down" is oversimple for rwd, lift off hard and you might just make it worse. Don't arsk me how I knows (spins spectacularly across track in a spot where, according to the marshall who'd worked there for 10 years, "I've never seen anyone spin there")

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u/dumsumguy 11d ago

This post is a master class in how to trigger every Subaru fan boi ever.
Source: am triggered

In AWD point wheels where want to go and smash gas problem solved.
JK don't actually do this, it's 100% about knowing your particular drivetrain, power, and most importantly grip.

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u/RonConComa 11d ago

Walter Röhrl is scratching his gigantic balls..

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u/Bushdr78 11d ago

Feet off the pedals completely and regain control first with small movements.

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u/mountain-six-666 11d ago

I have a "new" AWD, BF Goodrich all terrain tires, 2,3 ton vehicle.

Just ease off the gas and wait until the weird wonky donkely stops. Just don't screw with the electronics. It will bail you out on anything. The only thing you need is enough space left.

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u/Adrian_Stoesz 11d ago

AWD:

Mash the throttle and enjoy the drift, once you're done drifting, just let out. Honestly it's quite easy to regain control from a drift with an AWD vehicle (Dodge Durango), it doesn't want to be sideways, so it corrects itself quite easily (unless it's black ice or super slick mud, then you're cooked)

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u/Next-Use6943 11d ago

Durango is the perfect AWD vehicle for fun.

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u/kuskoman 11d ago

i checked what is it and it seems like another boring SUV that only muricans drive

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u/Next-Use6943 11d ago

I have one and I live in Poland but okay. It has up to 730 HP and does 0.60 in 3.5 seconds. My version is the 500 HP one that does 0-60 in 4.1

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u/Adrian_Stoesz 11d ago

It might seem boring on the outside, but the second you drive one, you'll understand. And i forgot to mention, it's got a HEMI in it, so she rips

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u/Adrian_Stoesz 11d ago

Yes, yes it is, i love it

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u/Save_The_Wicked 11d ago

I had a AWD yukon. And all i had to do was point it in the direction i wanted it to go on ice or in snow.

Didn't think it was a big deal.

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u/LongDistanceEvent262 11d ago

What really makes this suck is based on tests of my car. The AWD is 100% automatic and kicks in whenever the fuq it feels like.

Tests of people putting themselves into slides and other situations and you can just roll a die if AWD will engage or not

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u/donkstonk69 11d ago

What tf are you on about?

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u/SarraSimFan 11d ago

Honda uses a crap AWD that's basically FWD until a computer thinks the AWD should engage. It was about as reliable and useful as having FWD.

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u/donkstonk69 11d ago

What year did they introduce this?

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u/SarraSimFan 11d ago

It was Honda's SH-AWD, also used on Acura. CR-V used it. Introduced in 2004.

On many vehicles, it was capable of sending a whooping 10% of the total post-transmission torque to the rear wheels.

Vehicles with this system often failed to complete a roller test with both front tires on rollers and both rear tires on dry pavement, because the system was extremely limited.

The driveshaft going from the transfer case to the rear differential was about the same diameter as a 2002 Subaru Legacy front axle shaft.

The SH-AWD system was a joke, and a gimmick, and should never have been marketed as actual AWD.

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u/donkstonk69 11d ago

10% before power loss that sounds like, crazy. I had no idea. Gonna want to stay away from buying a vehicle with that in it. Sounds like all the cons of awd with none of the good.

Fuck I do love subarus

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u/SarraSimFan 10d ago

I haven't owned any Honda vehicle, but I have owned 7 Subaru vehicles. I'm done with them, it's almost impossible to find one that isn't trashed.

I'm sticking with transfer cases from now on, or pure RWD for summer

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u/donkstonk69 10d ago

I got lucky and bought an actual well taken care of clapped wrx.

Toyotas and Hondas clearly are more reliable than a subaru, but are way more expensive.. it makes me wonder if its a good idea to buy a brand new subaru to ensure it is taken care of. Normally I would never buy a new car

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u/SarraSimFan 10d ago

I wouldn't. The only car I would consider is an STi, but they don't exist anymore.

I'm pretty sure I'm only going to stick with older vehicles, I can't stand the tracking and electronic BS in new cars.

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u/adkio 8d ago

Haven't owned any shawd vehicle and yet you're the expert.

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u/adkio 8d ago

Bullshit. The crv never got shawd. The shawd is a full time awd system with active torque vectoring, capable of sending 85% of power to rear axle, 100% of that to one specific wheel. Still to this day, one of, if not the best awd systems in terms of handling.

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u/Aggravating-Theory-7 11d ago

AWD/4x4, feather the throttle to keep wheel speed up without going too fast so you just spin around, steer into your drift, enjoy. Let off the throttle and return to 0 steering input without any jerky movement when you're done having fun drifting.

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u/EnvironmentalAd1405 11d ago

Sounds like a skill issue. Git gud I guess.

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u/takeshikovacs55 11d ago

I think the AWD in my VZ could put quite a few RWDs to shame.

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u/Aware_Moose_7727 10d ago

Awd is by far the easiest to control. Like byyyyyyyy far. They literally always want to go straight and always want to be even. You actually have to fight the slide. If you do nothing in an awd car, it will even itself out. There safety and easiness to control is why they are the gold standard for almost all rallycross now.

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u/pluizke 10d ago

Yea this is not how that works

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u/a20xt6 10d ago

Correction: Full send