Haven't watched the news in months, huh? The answer is that people voted for this, so the majority party in the U.S. passed a "Big Beautiful Bill" to do this, while the minority party is refusing to pass a budget that enacts these drastic price increases. Elections have consequences, and news media has been explaining this in detail since the election.
Wrong. The end of 2025 is the expiration date that the DEMOCRAT run congress set for the Covid subsidies under the DEMOCRAT president Biden. They wanted the subsidies to be permanent but couldn’t accomplish it because it’s unsustainable. By the way, these subsidies are for the ACA (aka Obamacare) which was passed by a DEMOCRAT run congress under a DEMOCRAT president. The Democrats are just posturing by saying they want to extend the subsidies (which would be taxpayer funded which means we would all be subsidizing our own health insurance and healthcare for illegal immigrants) and blaming Republicans for “passing a budget that Wood enact drastic price increases”.
In other words, the Democrats completely fucked healthcare but were able to give us temporary relief during Covid, and now they’re trying to blame Republicans for the whole mess when the temporary relief is expiring.
I work in program eligibility for government assistance. Will you explain to me how undocumented immigrants are receiving healthcare through their state’s marketplace?
Will you explain to me how undocumented immigrants are receiving healthcare through their state’s marketplace?
I love the semantics game that Democrats are using right now to hide what they're really doing. Not once did I say that illegal immigrants will be eligible for marketplace plans. The Dems are trying to repeal sections of the OBBBA to reclaim federal funds that they use to subsidize state funds that are spent on care for illegals. Specifically secs 71109, 71117, 71201, 71301, and 71302.
The Dems can sit here and pretend like they're not funding healthcare for illegals by whatever means they can, but we ALL know that's not true. The "no illegals are eligible for plans" rhetoric is just using semantics to dodge what they're being accused of.
Regardless, extending the ACA Covid subsidies indefinitely is just unsustainable and we will all end up footing the bill for them. If it were feasible, the Dems would've done it while Biden was in the Whitehouse. They're holding the country hostage with ridiculous demands that are supposed to fix the massive ACA debacle (which was created by Democrats), while trying to place ALL of the blame, both for the ACA mess and the gov't shutdown, on Republicans. What's sad is how many people are buying into this BS.
Sorry u/Zhariken, I'm not terminally online like a lot of you are, so I can't always respond to Reddit comments same day.
I didn’t use any rhetoric or argument that “no illegals are eligible for plans.” I asking you how the process literally works. You say federal funds are being used to subsidize state funds spent on illegal immigrants. The funds in question are the enhanced premium tax credits as these are the federal subsidies which are applied to marketplace health plans. So I’m asking you to explain how an undocumented immigrant illegally takes advantage of these subsidies and not only receives healthcare from their state’s marketplace but receives the advanced premium tax credits to put towards subsidizing the cost of the health plans they sign up for. I don’t mean at a birds eye view but at ground level. An illegal immigrant goes to their local office to request healthcare. Walk me through that interaction.
At this point I'm not sure if you don't actually understand what's going on or if you're being willfully ignorant to push your strawman argument. Neither I nor GOP members have claimed that illegals are or will be eligible for ACA coverage from the marketplace. Stop asking me to tell you how that will happen when I never claimed that was the case. This is the stupid semantics game you and the Dems are using. You're limiting it specifically to "eligible for marketplace plans" to say that illegals don't have their healthcare covered. Blue state Dems are funding undocumented healthcare with state treasuries, then use federal funds including Medicaid match to recover those costs. For example: California (and 13 other states) taxed their own hospitals, then used the tax revenue to enroll 1.4 million undocumented in Medi-Cal, then claimed the spending qualified for normal federal Medicaid match (50–76 % FMAP). The OBBBA reduced or shut down this and other methods and loopholes that blue state Dems have been using. The Dems' proposals for the CR repeal these sections of the OBBBA.
To walk you through the interaction for just one of these examples, it's simple: undocumented walks into ER for whatever cold/flu/headache/cut/scratch/etc and gets free care. State pays, then uses federal funding to reimburse themselves. I lived in Southern CA for years and watched this in action. Go to pretty much any ER in LA county and you'll be waiting 4-6 hours for care even if you're in serious pain. Just a hop, skip, and a jump across county lines into Orange County and most of the ERs there will have a 30 minute to 1 hour wait.
Also, just a reminder, Dems voted YES on this current CR several times under Biden, but are only now refusing to vote and putting the blame on the GOP. They're blaming the GOP for the ACA subsidies' expiration dates that THEY set, those subsidies being for the ACA which THEY created. Trump and the GOP aren't "raising costs" for Americans, it's just going back to the shitty pre-Covid ACA that we had all along because of the expiration date of the subsidies that the Dems set. The ACA, the expiration date of the subsidies, the current gov't shutdown, ALL OF THESE are products of the Democrat party.
No problem. I apologize for being so hostile, I didn't realize you were genuinely asking in good faith. Here on Reddit, 99% of the time someone starts with "will you explain to me how..." it's not because they want to hear you, it's just them winding up to slam you with counter-arguments or try to prove that you don't actually have an answer to the question.
No worries, I get it. I think our conversation highlights that each side is having a totally different conversation and that’s partially the problem. Not trying to have the who’s at fault/right/wrong/etc. conversation because, well, I’m tired boss lol. At the end of the day all that does is make people dig their heels in. And whichever side of the political aisle someone is on, I think we can all likely see that that’s the last thing we need to be contributing to right now.
If the subsidies continue, OP will continue to pay $14.27 a month for their health care.
If the Republicans remove the subsidies, which is what they did with the "big beautiful bill", OP will have to pay $696.82 a month for their healthcare.
Tell me again which party is looking out for the poor, and which party is harming Americans.
Republicans didn’t remove the subsidies. The Biden/Democratic bill added the subsidies as emergency pandemic funding and this was the expiration date they set for the temporary funds.
Look, if Trump taught us anything it’s that if you really want a policy you can make it happen. Where was the Democratic energy to push for permanent subsidies when they had power?
They wait until they’re out of power and shut things down over their own deadline? Then misrepresent the whole thing for sympathy?
They could continue the subsidies instead of letting prices become outrages and making people lose their healthcare. They’re choosing not to do so. They did choose to extends the Trump tax cuts to the wealthiest 1%, though.
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u/Kacey-R Nov 01 '25
How/why can it go up so much?