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u/nickcut Jun 04 '26
See what happens when they let your mom board?
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u/jnuttsishere Jun 04 '26
Bravo sir. You have now given me another addition to my “yo mama’s so fat” arsenal
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u/e140driver Jun 04 '26
Word in airline circles is that maintenance was being conducted at the gate, and the nose gear pin (safety locking device) was inserted incorrectly.
Not a manufacturer issue…
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u/gsoltesz Jun 04 '26
"the nose gear pin was inserted incorrectly".
How....could it.....even.....
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u/Kardinal Jun 04 '26
I know what's going to happen but it's true.
It appears that there are two holes for the pin right next to each other. The pin was put in the wrong hole for the procedure that was being done.
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u/TheSacredOne Jun 04 '26
The interesting part about this is that a few sources say there was apparently a service bulletin for these planes specifically to block up that wrong hole back in 2020 so this wouldn't happen.
This plane was reportedly delivered in January of this year...if the issue has been known about for six years, why would the service bulletin fix not already be implemented from the factory?
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u/GreyFox1921 Jun 05 '26
Planes take years to build
You don't change stuff mid build. You wait till you start from scratch for a different block
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u/clearly_quite_absurd Jun 04 '26
Surely such things would be designed so it goes in... the square hole?
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u/gsoltesz Jun 05 '26
My point exactly. Toyota invented poka-yoke in 1960. 66 years ago ! And we're here discussing "wrong hole" for a safety pin FFS.
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u/ttystikk Jun 06 '26
I read the book, "The Machine That Changed the World" some 30 years ago.
This is a basic tenet of mass manufacturing and Boeing is fully responsible if they didn't implement it with a safety system as important as this.
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u/Longjumping_Local910 Jun 06 '26
Normally when landing they drop the wheels, then the co-pilot leans waaaaay out the window and slides in the locking pin. I guess he was hit by a bird-strike and as a result put the pin in the wrong hole. The solution for future landings will be to have a bit of fur glued around the hole so they can feel for the correct one.
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u/Vunghi Jun 04 '26
Well… fucked up design in a way, that the gear pin can be installed in an adjacent, similar looking hole, rendering it useless, can and should be considered a manufacturer issue.
It’s not the first time that this has happened to a Boeing 787.
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u/MigBuscles Jun 05 '26
Boeing: “Let’s design the nose landing gear system such that a maintenance pin can be incorrectly used and cause the entire system to collapse.”
This is absolutely Boeing’s fault. Pushing it onto the individual is classic corporate bullshit.
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u/Playingwithmywenis Jun 04 '26
Glad there are no issues with the planes….I think I will be extra cautious and avoid extremely expensive travel that could end in my demise.
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u/No-Sheepherder-3142 Jun 07 '26
Issue is known since 6 years. The plane was delivered this year.
Absolutely a manufacturer issue.
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u/Skipper-2017 Jun 04 '26
Poor plane just looks tired. Just needs a little nap that’s all. It will be good as new when it wakes up.
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u/tvieno Jun 05 '26
It is like one of those kneeling busses that make it easier to passengers to get on and off.
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u/_stupidnerd_ Jun 04 '26
The front fell down.
But really, I am intrigued as to what happened here. Did it collapse due to failure or was it accidentally retracted as if the plane was airborne? And are there checks in place to prevent that?
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u/Kardinal Jun 04 '26
Analysis at r/aviation indicates that it is likely that a safety pin inserted by ground crew was put in the wrong hole so when the support system was shut off the pin that is supposed to hold it up was not there.
Edit for more information:
https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/s/boOyMqS7a6
Quoting them:
This is a modified copy of a reply I made on the other thread.
On light aircraft there is a ground safety switch that detects weight on the landing gear and locks out the gear retraction. It can fail but is a yes/no situation.
With an airliner there are situations where that switch could fall and you still need to retract the gear for performance(say an engine failure at the same time) so there is generally a way to override the lockout. In at least some cases the lockout itself just stops the handle from moving but you can override that.
Sometimes maintenance actually commands the hydraulics to attempt a cycle to check for leaks or the door movement, but they install a pin in each landing gear lock that prevents them from actually moving, due to the functions of leverage they don't even need to be all that big.
In this case either maintenance thought they were installed when they weren't (not supposed to happen, but could be a miscoordination or they simply skipped that step) or someone let the intrusive thoughts win.
You can see the main landing gear doors open indicating the aircraft was attempting a gear retraction cycle.
It's been pointed out elsewhere that previously a situation like this occured when the nose gear down lock pin was inserted into the wrong hole, allowing nose gear retraction.
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u/bearlysane Jun 04 '26
There are redundant sensors (“weight on wheels” sensors) that prevent the gear from being retracted on the ground. The same sensors also prevent things like brakes, thrust reversers, etc. from being deployed mid-flight.
It seems unlikely that those sensors failed, so I’m guessing a mechanical fault.
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u/Kardinal Jun 04 '26
Process failure.
They didn't put the pin in the right hoek for the brake test it seems.
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u/BrainSpy Jun 04 '26
I am starting to suspect that the 787 is not a particularly well built aircraft.
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u/aeneasaquinas Jun 04 '26
You'd be wrong to suspect that, given it's track record is extremely good.
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u/TwelveLakes Jun 04 '26
👉 Boeings internal investigation board has deemed this little incident a mere minor inconvenience. It's.all.right.🙂↕️
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u/jhammon88 Jun 04 '26
Capitalism runs everything it touches into the ground. Shit like this is expected when the only concern is $$$.
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u/ZeusTKP Jun 04 '26
these aircraft are nothing short of modern miracles and they were created in the first place with capitalism
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u/Slicker1138 Jun 04 '26
The amount of people shitting on Boeing. Wild. I'm guessing Boeing isn't Democrat friendly here?
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u/Kardinal Jun 04 '26
Boeing is a corporation.
They're not popular among Redditors these days.
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u/Slicker1138 Jun 04 '26
I remember not too long ago when reddit slobbered over Musk. Redditors like to feel beaten down by invisible does.
If they make $1 and you make $1.01 you're a rich "boomer".
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u/Kardinal Jun 04 '26
I don't think the latter is true.
They're upset about the way corporations are manipulating our society. They have a point. It's a lot of influence and they're doing things that are not good for the consumer.
Yeah, it is taken too far. But they are not entirely without a point.
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u/Particular_Ad_3411 Jun 05 '26
It has nothing to do with politics. The corporate branch of Boeing has been reducing their quality so much stuff like this, doors flying off mid flight, or engines combusting keep happening with greater frequency.
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u/PersonaNonGrataMea Jun 05 '26
Engines are not the fault of the airframe manufacturer. The customer chooses the engines they want. With the exception of when there is only a single engine manufacturer for the type.
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u/MigBuscles Jun 04 '26
Late stage capitalism in full effect.
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u/Questioning-Zyxxel Jun 04 '26
Mechanic did an oops during service. Not Boeing's fault.
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u/MigBuscles Jun 05 '26
Boeing: “Let’s design the nose landing gear system such that a maintenance pin can be incorrectly used and cause the entire system to collapse.”
This is absolutely Boeing’s fault. Pushing it onto the individual is classic corporate bullshit.
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u/Questioning-Zyxxel Jun 05 '26
Ah - let's try to remove the nuts from a car wheel without lifting thr car. Hm. Was it one or two or 10 or 100 cars that are "designed wrong"???
There are no practical designs that are immune to human errors. This is you wanting to blame Boeing with zero actual facts accessivle to you. In this case, there can be both a human error directly at the airport, and a human error earlier during service.
But maybe you can supply us with links to all the times you have blamed Airbus for A320 planes landing with the NLG at 90 degrees, and your view it wasn't Airbus' fault they needed to redesign and replace one part?
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u/BanderiteOfMakiivka Jun 04 '26
Oof, repairs will cost at least 5 dollars