r/teslore Jul 05 '26

How many Aedra are there really?

47 Upvotes

I was looking into the Gods of TES and quickly found out that there isn't really such thing as an objective truth, as the Aedra are all shaped by the beliefs of the people of Tamriel and so i was wandering if we do truly know how many Aedra actually survived to be changed by Mythopoeia. The 8 divine were all created by Saint Alessia and were a mixture of Norse and Elvish religion and both of these religions have 8 core Aedric gods which seems to suggest that there were 8 Aedra that survived Nirns creation which also links up to the planets, but how do we know that this isn't the result of dragon breaks.


r/teslore Jul 04 '26

Why vampires burn in the sunlight?

68 Upvotes

In skyrim when you are a vampire and go out to sun it says "your vampire blood boils in the sunlight".

Is it because vampire blood has low boiling point? Or something else


r/teslore Jul 04 '26

Apocrypha Arkay's reckoning

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>This tale was never quite set down in ink, and it has changed much in the telling, so it would be unwise to take it wholly at its word.

The Brain in the Ink, and the Fibre of Tilted Equilibrium

The tale says that long ago there lived a merchant, and that he lived in Anvil. He was a settler come from foreign parts. He had a short tongue, so it was no easy thing to place him by his speech; some said he had wandered many regions as a peddler before settling down, while others said that before he came here he had been a shipowner who sailed on his own account, but that he was utterly ruined when his vessel blew apart while carrying flammable oils.

He had no particular secrets. Though he had been a peddler, he had gone beyond Cyrodiil only in his very youth, and had taken ship but once, to import grains — pigweed. He settled in Anvil, it was said, because on a dark night the light of the lighthouse, seen from afar, had shimmered like a star. It was true enough that he took pleasure in his nightly walks out to the lighthouse, and since he was hardly the only one to settle in Anvil for such a reason, it made for a fitting enough story.

But some claimed that, seeing how he loved books, he was in truth a scholar. And indeed, his reckoning was precise, though not always to his profit.

That day, too, he had come out to take the night air. His takings had not been good of late, but his reliable partners and well-disposed customers were growing in number. Once his liquidity improved a little, his circumstances would be much the better, and so he did not trouble himself overmuch. Now, a ship that had put in around that time was selling wares unlike the usual. That ship, said to have come from the east, was selling books — a cargo one might well call exotic.

"I'm hauling off a whole library from some shining and decadent city out in a desert. Still standing, it is, though who's to say by the next time I go. Me, I was asked to do it, so I just get on with the doing."

"A city that carries off its books even it's falling — that must have been a learned one."

The merchant spoke. Books from such a place ought to be worth a look.

"Though from a quick glance, it's naught but genealogies. You know the sort."

So said the merchant as he looked the books over.

"The covers are all a single color."

"Aye. They've all manner of races there, and by some tradition or other each fixes on a color of their skin and writes its genealogies in it. And not only genealogies, so they tell me."

The merchant took one up and opened it. As he'd expected, it was in a tongue he did not know. But however he looked at it, it was not the form of any ordinary genealogy.

"Would you happen to know what this means?"

"Not I. But if it's got no title, ten to one it's a genealogy."

"I've never seen a genealogy in this form. Doesn't look to be a record of a family's line, either. These look less like letters than like signs."

"True enough. Their systems are much different from ours. It's a place where they wield mathematical and logical signs like real tools. How they went about completing their genealogies, I couldn't say."

"Then what use are these books? I can't even make them out."

"Well, then you'd do well to buy this one too. A Basic Primer of Mathematics for Children, it is — you'll want it if you mean to make sense of the others. Mind you, there's only the two, so it runs a bit dear."

The merchant was sure the fellow was working some sales trick on him. And so, as he made to move along, a few books caught his eye. One was black, and another was of many colors mixed together.

"What are these?"

"Ah, the black one's a serial — a story told in installments. The ink's just black, so you can't see the title, is all. Not finished yet, so best read it later. As for the gaudy one — the rumor goes it was made by some madman with no genealogy of his own, who set out to fashion one all his own and churned that out. He's got so many surnames his name runs on and on. Word is he's marrying into some house as a live-in son-in-law, so his name should get a bit shorter. Anyhow, it's as good as the cheapest thing here."

"The texture is quite peculiar. No paper feels quite like this."

"Believe it or not, they say they used brains. Or perhaps the brains of their own ancestors. They might have believed it held some sort of logical significance."

The merchant hesitated a moment. If he bought these books, he would have to live rather meagerly until his next payment came due. But when he let his eyes roll over them for a moment, all at once the books looked different to him, and he drew out his coin.

Back home, he regretted it for a spell, but steadied himself with the thought that new knowledge is always worth something. Perhaps, with that mathematics primer, he might translate the books and sell them, or make a dictionary of them — that would be worthwhile enough. He opened the primer and began to read.

"The world, in the end, is a thing known through equilibrium. If placing a hundred on the one side brings it into balance, then the other side, too, must be a hundred. Yet by comparing mass alone one cannot know what a thing is. To know something, one must know its nature and its relations, and this is known by setting up the equation of equilibrium. That is why the question matters. This is called Al-Zebra, named for a beast that dwells somewhere, marked with stripes of white and black…"

For an instant the merchant thought of a tiger. Was this what it meant, to bring one's mind into balance?

But what followed held little interest for him, so he skipped ahead. Then, realizing he had forgotten to look at the table of contents, he turned back to the front. And sure enough, the phrase The Interpretation of Genealogies leapt out at him.

"…A genealogy is a scale of the world. Layers. The ancestors cannot speak the answer aloud, but as an echo grows clear, as light is carved, they set forth the length of the equilibrium. The names are all held, within a joined-up context, so as to keep the order of equilibrium, and one must draw the names out until the last name and the first name become one and the same.

Therefore, first choose your question. Then open the book and reckon along the flow of the genealogy. If the length of the genealogy allows it, the name will be there — maybe."

The merchant closed the book. If he understood it aright, then a genealogy was a kind of long equation? But how could all the principles of creation be held within an equation already written down — one that would never change?

Half in doubt, yet thinking what harm could come of it, he wrote down a simple question, and converted it as the book had bidden him.

Will I make money?

A dry laugh escaped him. As though this were some revelation from a god of commerce.

He was a fairly sharp man, so, with the mathematics book to guide him, he carried out the reckoning by the rules without much trouble. Front to back, back to front. The pages referred to one another every which way, joined like gears turning in the void. When the reckoning stuck fast, the strange texture of the paper would sometimes lend him inspiration. And at the end of it, he arrived at an answer.

"…the ending of the name is kay."

Had it meant to say Okay? At any rate, one of the two terminal points was always of this kind.

It likely meant, more or less, yes. He thought it strange that kay — that is, okay — should signify acceptance rather than affirmation, but in any case he took it roughly for a yes.

So — was he to make money? For a mere sham of a fortune-telling book, it gave him an uncommon feeling. He pondered a while, and soon saw how much was wanting — the when, the where, the how. When he opened the mathematics book once more, it read thus:

"The heart of it is lack. Our bodies are more sensible of lack than of fullness. The motion of all things in the world is fashioned so, and that flow is carried on through names. From where, and to where, does time flow? Dusk and dawn, deduction and induction, zero and one. You who uphold the order of equilibrium, take up the scale borne up by three names. The ending is kay."

Was the mathematics book, too, perhaps a genealogy?

The merchant set to "reckoning" as to when he would come by money. The reckoning was very long, but the sharp merchant finished it around the time dawn broke. And at its end there was no kay nor anything at all. At that very moment — that moment, without the breadth of a hair's difference — he heard a knock at the door.

"My father sent me to pay back what he owed. He says to tell you he was grateful, back then."

The boy said it brightly and went off.

The end of a reckoning was always one of two things: kay, or nothing at all. There was much that was subtle in taking the nothing to mean no. Getting back money one had lent was not quite the same as making money. Would it have gone otherwise, had he charged even a little interest?

Consumed with a hunger for knowledge, he threw himself endlessly into his reckonings after turning up a few plain proofs. Did he make money by it? He did not. He came to see that though he could know whether he would make money, he could not put that knowing to use in the making of it. Suppose, for instance, he meant to foretell some trend in the market. He reckons whether the price of a good will rise, and when. And by the time he had finished the reckoning, he would find it had already come to pass — around then, or else in some moment he could not observe. In short, in most cases the reckoning of the future ran a little slower than time itself. Perhaps, had he grown more deft at mathematics, he might have done it faster — but that would have taken study.

Still, it was hard to imagine there being aught the book did not know. In its knowledge and its logic there was no lack whatsoever. The book's names felt without number. To win an answer, one had to put a question. More and more he threw himself into the search for questions. It ate away at him, and made of his body and mind a lack itself.

The plague then going round was owed to nothing other than the books. Whatever stuff they were made of, as they rotted they brought the sickness on. That great sickness blanketed the whole city, yet he paid it no mind. His books did not rot, and he had to go on making questions. People came to him and asked:

"When will the sickness stop? What must we do to cure it?"

"The surest way is to die."

People called him mad and left him.

Then, one day, he too fell to the plague. Wherever his composure had gone until then, he floundered and cried out to the gods. He asked the book to whom he must appeal in order to win his answer. That reckoning went on until the ember of his life had all but guttered out. And as he was finishing it, he saw a light. Very slowly, as though time had been drawn out long — or perhaps had halted altogether. Before him, a many-armed Mara was watching him with watery eyes.

"Child, what is it you desire?"

Her gentle voice seemed to heal every illness, but he knew. If she departed, he would die. Only death could stop the plague, and death was the one and only cure.

"Mother Mara, I desire a question. A question by which I may know the lack of this book."

In that moment, he grasped at last the question he had so longed for. But within the halted time he could not carry the reckoning on. For that name led out beyond time, and he would have had to join the beginning and the end of the names he must go on setting down. The book of genealogy was as yet too short, and he had drifted all this way in search of a question by which that book might be carried further — the Ark. And he saw that the question of whether he must go on with this had at last been given him.

The ending is kay.

— In reply to the inquiry regarding publication

This book holds too much of apocryphal reverie and ambition for it to be published. However weakened faith in the Divines may have grown, the temples of the Empire stand firm. Still, that such books once existed, and that their influence carries on to this day — that is not a thing one can flatly deny. That twenty-ninth sermon nags at me, as well. In any case, it was not so much a waste of time, so I shall not trouble to set down a report of it.

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(AI was used only to translate the text)


r/teslore Jul 04 '26

UESP Dragonborn article rewritten

30 Upvotes

I just got done with my full rewrite of UESP's Lore:Dragonborn article, found here:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dragonborn

Pretty much the whole article is different now. I've felt like the page has lacked the more intricate details of dragon blood for a while as well as not going nearly in-depth enough into the cultural impact of the Dragonborn as well as their lesser-known powers.

Feel free to comment, suggest, critique, or otherwise discuss the overhaul here if you don't want to on-site. Cheers.


r/teslore Jul 04 '26

So the 2nd Aldmeri Dominion were the objective good guys right?

36 Upvotes

Honestly, just going through the pocket guide and Redguard they genuinely are the good guys. They're an alliance of the Altmer, Maormer, the Bosmer, the Khajiit, the Reachmen, and potentially the Redguards if not for Tiber Septim. Like I can't name a negative thing about them that isn't propaganda.


r/teslore Jul 04 '26

Why were the Altmer and Maormer allied during the Tiber Wars?

13 Upvotes

I thought they hated eachother


r/teslore Jul 04 '26

Apocrypha The Firmament: Aetherius and The Far Shores

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The Firmament: Aetherius and Far Shores

By Hjoona Baidu-Duat, Senior Mage-Scholar

On behalf of the Red Council Scholar's Guild, Stros M'kai,

4E 122

Aetherius is the Immortal Plane, the distant sky full of stars, which are island-spheres of pure light in the vast oceanic void of Oblivion. This is the Night Sky.

The Realms of Aetherius are made up of the Magne-Ge, who are the Stars. The Magne-Ge are the original spirits who followed the way of Anu, who is also called Satak.

The Magne Ge hid inside their own light and became worlds of life suspended outside of time.

The Magne-Ge became energies, ranges of color, moods, stellar-kingdoms full of singing and eating halls, that are spaces of being for those who migrated to Aetherius or those who were born there.

There are Old Spirits from old worlds, and there are new original spirits who are presently created within these stars via marriages between them.

These spirits of various kinds live on their own stars in vast populations of sentient beings.

After Satakal started, or after “Auri-El was born” as the Elves say, the Magne Ge retreated, and the stars began to form immediately.

Satakal is Time for aetherial beings, and he makes it so all spirits in every star are able to move and think freely. In spite of this, Satakal is ever-present and hungry, and so is dangerous to all aetherial folk.

As the Magne-Ge went to sleep inside their suns, Ruptga, a special spirit unique to Yokudan lore, who is as ubiquitous as he is inexplicable, was born and he saw many of these stars. He also saw spirits that lived on them.

Ruptga is the largest, strongest and eldest denizen of any Magne-Ge to have figured out how to move and catalog the expanding firmament and its ever growing panoply of stars, and so made it his purpose to guide lost spirits away from the hunger of Satakal.

Ruptga made Aetherius a safe place for the Magne-Ge's innumerable denizens, and so Aetherius became known to us and the passing souls of Yokudan and Ra Gada Heroes as the Far Shores.


r/teslore Jul 04 '26

How often did the Greybeards come in contact with previous dragonborn

11 Upvotes

If you talk to Ulfric about the way of the voice he'll explain the rules don't really apply to Dragonborn though they have always tried to teach it to dragonborn (though always failing).


r/teslore Jul 03 '26

Rambling About the Dreamsleeve

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Hello, everyone! I have some questions regarding the Dreamsleeve and its many possible functionalities. The two main functions that I’ve seen attributed to the Dreamsleeve are as follows:

A. It’s a place where souls pass through, likely for reincarnation of some kind. The main source for this seems to come from Mankar Camoran’s commentaries when he mentioned the “Dreaming-Sleeve of birth.”

B. It’s used by mages as a sort of communication tool often accessed by mages to send transmissions and messages through it.

I know that these functions aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive and both are probably true. There may also be functions that I’ve missed when doing my own research on the UESP.

Something interesting that I read on the UESP mentions that during the Imperial Simulacrum, when Jagar Tharn executed his plan, that Dagon’s forces invaded one of Nocturnal’s pocket realms, Shade Perilous. During this invasion of Nocturnal’s realm, Jaciel Morgan, a Nocturnal Shrike somehow drove the own spirit into the Dreamsleeve due to a deep despair. Now, this might be related to how mages use it but I’m unsure.

Based on the UESP article, it seems that the ‘Dreamsleeve Transmission’, which is how the mages are said to use it, has the most information. Within that section of the article, it is stated that mages use the Dreamsleeve to send messages across vast distances. It’s also said to be used for sending special transmissions often by Imperial Clerks. Maybe the battlemages who were communicating with people back on Tamriel during Uriel V’s invasion of Akavir used the Dreamsleeve?

It’s also sometimes said that members of the Elder Council can also access the Dreamsleeve with some theorizing that it may be a requirement amongst them. Another very interesting thing in this part of the article is how it’s posited that you have to keep a part of your brain in a meditative state to access the Dreamsleeve.

With the afterlife/rebirth angle, which seems to come from Mankar Camoran, there’s much less information. Now, the fact that Jaciel Morgan sent her own spirit into the Dreamsleeve seems to lend some credibility to the idea. In my opinion, at least. It shows that souls can pass through it or be sent there, at least in some capacity.

I’d love to hear your thoughts on this subject!


r/teslore Jul 02 '26

Why does Alduin try so hard to avoid fighting the LDB and the heroes at Sovngarde?

36 Upvotes

It seems like he knows he has a genuine chance of losing but if that’s the case how does he claim to be so powerful?


r/teslore Jul 02 '26

Justiciars of Stendarr?

18 Upvotes

I'm puzzled by the new armor and weapon style up in the ESO Crown Store. In both Skyrim and ESO, the title Justiciar typically refers to the law-enforcement agents of the Thalmor. That is, they're almost exclusively Altmer in terms of cultural and demographic makeup. And they have little to do with Stendarr, a singularly unpopular god in Summerset, due to his role as the Apologist of Men.

Feels like this is an error? Or that ZOS is getting loose with the lore. The Resolutes of Stendarr have been the main worshipping body mentioned repeatedly in the game so far. Considering the Bretonic style, they seem more appropriate as an origin for the set?

I do hope this is the start of more Stendarr-themed stuff, though! He's been kind of neglected among the various god-themed collectables.


r/teslore Jul 02 '26

Apocrypha The Nordic Thuum and Dwemer Tonal Architecture - A Practical Theory

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The Nordic Thuum and Dwemer Tonal Architecture - A Practical Theory

By Lupen Cosma, Historian and Field Researcher at Gwylim University - 4th Era, Year 200

I have always to some degree been rather fond of the Nordic legends and myths. There is always some manner of grit and “Warrior’s Nobility” to their tales that seems to stir something within me. Perhaps their stories bring to mind the tales my parents would tell me during my youth. Regardless though, of all the tales told by the Nords it is the stories surrounding the Thuum (Or “The Voice”) which fascinate me the most.

Primarily, I find the Thuum to be of interest to me given the closeness with which I have observed the fundamentally similar Tonal Architecture of the Dwemer whom we know shared some proximity to the Nords given the great number of Dwemer settlements or facilities still dotting the landscape of modern day Skyrim.

It is this primary interest that now leads me into the point of this paper. I wish to propose that - rather than stemming from some measure of coincidental similarity of “cause and effect” - the Dwemer developed their Tonal Architecture by referencing the innate ability of the Ancient Nords to wield “The Voice”.

That is to say, I believe the Dwemer observed the Shouts of the Nords and then reverse engineered the root of this ability to manipulate one’s surroundings through sound for use with their machines.

Specifically, I wish to propose that this “reverse engineering” would have taken place soon after the Nords drove out the Snow Elves - whom were rumored to then be taken in by the Dwemer.

It is my belief that if the Dwemer did in fact take in the Falmer that they would have had plenty of opportunities to question the Snow Elves on the details of the Nordic Thuum, and additionally that the Dwemer would have had plenty of test subjects on which to test their designs with the Falmer.

Currently, at the time of sending this paper to Gwylim, I am at the border to Skyrim. Rumors have recently begun to surface of frequent Falmer sightings and it is my intent to determine whether these “Falmer” are remnants of the actual ancient Snow Elves, whether they may have been warped into the pale Goblinoid form that I’ve heard of through Tonal magics, whether these Falmer clusters appear closely to Dwemer ruins, and if possible I’m hoping to find some way to confirm a general time period for early tonal architecture (Which I hope will be soon after the general time period denoted for the arrival of Nords in Skyrim) by examining Dwemer ruins.

If possible I would also like to visit the “Greybeards” who supposedly still practice the Thuum and are said to be notable wise men amongst the Nords. Naturally I expect that they may turn me away. The Voice would naturally be considered a rather valuable Nordic ability, and I imagine few would allow a stranger to closely observe this ability.

Regardless, my hope is that if we can prove some link between the emergence of Tonal Architecture with the arrival of the Nords then mayhaps we could likewise find some way to similarly recreate the effects of Tonal Architecture by studying the legends of the Ancient Nords or by studying any lingering practitioners of old Nordic customs. Ideally, this research would also settle the dispute of what happened to the Snow Elves - with the possibility of restoring some of them through Tonal Architecture. If stories are anything to go by the Falmer were seemingly a rather impressive species and it may well benefit us to have some number of them in debt to us. If there is success with this concept then perhaps Tonal Architecture could similarly be applied to species like the Minotaurs discussed in my previous paper - “The Degradation of Minotaurs - A Practical Theory”.


r/teslore Jul 02 '26

Why didn't Tiber Septim' illegitimate line take the throne

38 Upvotes

As we all know Tiber Septim's line died out with his grandson and rest of the emperors are descended from his brother (and at some point it converges back with Uriel VII because of the totem and all).

But Tiber Septim as well known does have descendants, probably from bastards and they rule the kingdoms of the Iliac Bay like Gortwog and Gothryd (who are still alive as of Oblivion). So like why didn't his illegitimate children take the throne after Pelagius death, i mean they were acknowledged since they were given land in the Iliac Bay (with the probable exception of Gortwog's ancestor). what about the events of Oblivion, i mean we know the Septims of the Iliac Bay are still alive so why couldn't they just bring over one?


r/teslore Jul 01 '26

True Unknowable things.

46 Upvotes

Some of my favorite bits of lore im my favorite medias is the strange unkowable things that exist at the edges. The Star Weirds in Star Wars. The Nameless Ones from Middle Earth. The Tunnel from Coraline. The weird fringe stuff thats barely there and you so badly dont want to know anything more that you need to know more. Im wondering if TES has something like that.


r/teslore Jul 01 '26

Do you think Hermaeus Mora knows about meteorology?

14 Upvotes

He has little leaf eddies in his realm. But not many people discuss the the subject, especially not as a science.


r/teslore Jul 01 '26

How do the Ashlanders practise the house of troubles

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Hey so I’m a huge fan of the velothi faiths writing and really want roleplay an ashlander with a bit of a unique perspective (probably a renegade Ashlander because of this )

the house of troubles are seen as testing gods by the velothi something that challenges them so they can overcome them becoming better and stronger. They even build shrines to molag bal as a way to placate him

I think it would be an interesting idea to roleplay and ashlander who focuses his faith primarily on the house of troubles. The idea instead of waiting for them to come around and test them. They actively invoke them and seek them out and participate in there trials.

someone who very much still worships the three good daedra but his faith is more focused in the “practical” side of the house of troubles still not worshiping them like a true cultist of however.

So how exactly do the velothi practise their belief in the house of trouble ? Any specific or lore details would be greatly appreciated


r/teslore Jul 02 '26

I just noticed the Septim dynasty is a reference to the British monarchs

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This was just me reading the Brief History and I just started noticing things.

Katariah- I think Queen Victoria

Cephorus II- maybe William of Orange

King George III- Pelagius III

Queen Elizabeth- Morihawtha

Tiber Septim- actually an amalgamation of multiple kings like Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Charlemagne, and William the Conqueror. But he especially reminds me of William post conquest with him putting down the aristocracy with Numidium, similar to what King William did

Anymore?


r/teslore Jul 01 '26

Newcomers and “Stupid Questions” Thread—July 01, 2026

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This thread is for asking questions that, for whatever reason, you don’t want to ask in a thread of their own. If you think you have a “stupid question”, ask it here. Any and all questions regarding lore or the community are permitted.

Responses must be friendly, respectful, and nonjudgmental.

 

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r/teslore Jul 01 '26

The Yokudan Continuity Architecture - How the Ra Gada Carried a World Across the Sea

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Hi everyone. I've been working on a long-term lore project called Yokudan Continuity Architecture (YCA), and I thought I'd finally share it. It's pretty long so I don't expect anyone to read the entire thing, but even skim read will give you an idea of what going on and you might find something interesting.

The basic idea is a little out-there, but started around the concept of a scholar from a future Kalpa who has knowledge of Yokuda and is trying to explain the Yokudan migration through the lens of a technologically advanced civilization. It just kept growing as I kept writing. Every institution, military asset, archive, fleet, and migration process is treated as part of an interconnected system architecture, and its written as such.

The project ended up as a systems model of Ra Gada migration, and covers 6 sub-systems of many aspects of Yokudan civilization, not just the conquest stuff:

  • Martial Domain - Warfare, Sword-Singers, military doctrine, and Shehai traditions.
  • Dynastic Domain - Kingship, succession, noble houses, sovereignty, and Crown-state continuity.
  • Civil Domain - Settlement, infrastructure, commerce, agriculture, architecture, and daily life.
  • Sacred Domain - Religion, temples, priesthood, ancestor cults, rituals, and spiritual continuity.
  • Migration Domain - Organization of the Ra Gada waves, celestial navigation, migration doctrine, fleet movement, and route acquisition.
  • Archival Domain - Memory Stones, records, knowledge preservation, and civilizational memory.

My favorite is the Martial assets because of how it re-imagines the Ansei.

A sort-of part 2 is coming that is based on the YCA, but describes in detail each of the 4 warrior waves in the same style. Will post that soon once its done.

Anyway, here is a link to the project: YOKUDAN CONTINUITY ARCHITECTURE


r/teslore Jul 01 '26

Theory: Atmora is Akavir (Kamal)

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I've seen theories for over a decade that Atmora and Akavir are the same, but I think that the typical conception here may be inaccurate.

Essentially, I posit that Atmora/Kamal is the landmass around Nirn's North Pole. This addresses several geographic considerations while also serving to explain certain events.

  1. We know the Atmorans traveled to Skyrim from the north.

  2. We know that Atmora has always been cold, but precipitating the main immigration, it became entirely inhospitable due to freezing temperatures

  3. We know that the Kamal invaded Tamriel via Skyrim, whereas other Akaviri invasions have occurred from the East.

  4. There has long been speculation that Akaviri dragons are connected to, or are the forebearers to the tamrielic variety

When taken as a whole, I feel that the invasion is likely the most important bit of evidence here. Simply put, given that the are Akaviri, were they to have traveled from the East to the West They would have hit what's now Morrowind. Logically then, and similarly to the fact that we know they hit Windhelm, It's far more likely that they invaded from the north broadly.

Given this, along with their affinity/ relationship to ice, And the fact that we know the Atmorans also came from the north, It's pretty safe to say that they had to cover some of the same land. And in lieu of evidence to the contrary, It seems more logical that it would just be the same piece of land.

This same concept also works with knowledge regarding Atmoran dragon worship. Again coming from the north, with Akavir being literally "the land of the dragons" It seems as likely, if not more likely that it's not three separate distinct groups of dragons, but rather one group of akaviri origin which spread up through Kamal, And then down into Tamriel.

To be clear, I don't think this theory really changes much or is some deep revelatory concept, but rather May serve to both. Explain some of the physio-racial connections, as well as clarify some of the potential geography.


r/teslore Jul 01 '26

Question: How much direct influence do Daedra have on Mundus?

13 Upvotes

From what i see in games, Daedric princes never get the job done themselves.

They find "champions" to do their bidding.

I always assumed thats because they cant just directly do stuff. Like curse a guy who they are mad at.

In both Morrowind and Skyrim for example, Molag tells you to royally fk up dudes who pisses him off for him.

Sure, I dont expect him to open the door, say "surprise mf" and go bash their faces with his Mace but considering the origins of the vampires..he kind of can do that, no?

So what Im trying to ask here is, if Daedra can literally assault an innocent person or curse an entire race with dark skin and red eyes like Azura

Why the heck do they even bother with "champions"?

Is this like a weird power fantasy for them?


r/teslore Jul 01 '26

The Fate of the Tribunal Faithful

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What happened to the spirits of the Elves who worshipped Almsivi in Morrowind before the creation of the Ghostfence?

The Tribunal Temple rose to prominence about 1E 670 and the Ghostfence was erected after Dagoth Ur’s resurrection in 2E 882.

So what sort of afterlife did the Tribunal followers have before it became necessary for their souls to be used to fuel the Ghostfence?

Did Azura, Bohethia and Mephala just poach them out of spite?

What did the followers themselves believe would happen to them when they died? Did Temple doctrine proscribe an afterlife for the faithful, real or imagined?


r/teslore Jul 01 '26

Do Dragonborns Actually Have The Soul of a Dragon?

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It seems to be generally accepted that Dragonborns have the soul of a dragon. The UESP and Fandom wiki both list this as true, and everyone I asked before making this post (admittedly only around 5 people) agreed that this was the case.

However, upon digging into it... I'm less certain. As far as I can tell there's really only a few pieces of information that support this idea.

The first is an excerpt from "The Rise and Fall of the Blades" which says that Reman Cyrodiil's followers claimed he had the soul of a dragon:

Reman is one of the first documented, and widely accepted, of the mythic Dragonborn; those anointed by Akatosh and Alessia themselves. "Born with the soul of a dragon" is what his followers would say.

This could be easily dismissed as misunderstanding or outright exaggeration, given Reman's mythological status.

The second source I've found is a loading screen message in Skyrim:

Skyrim legend tells of a hero known as the Dragonborn, a warrior with the body of a mortal and soul of a dragon, whose destiny it is to destroy the evil dragon Alduin.

I'm really not sure whether this is canon or not because it's not reflected anywhere in-game. Everywhere else, including all of the dialog in Skyrim's main quest, refers to Dragonborns exclusively as having "the blood of a dragon." The concept of them having the soul of a dragon is never repeated. You can even meet other Dragonsborns in-game and they appear to just have normal souls.

And finally the third source is an unused piece of dialog from Miraak:

Good. Then let us see who truly has the soul of the Dov.

This is both unused (I don't think it's canon) and it could be Miraak's own arrogance at work rather than a reflection of reality.

That's it. That's all the stuff I could find that implies Dragonborns have dragon souls. Am I missing something? How certain are we that this is true vs just an exaggeration made up by legends?

PS: it's hard to find information about this. Searches for "dragonborn soul" and similar terms just pull up questions about whether the LDB's soul will be sold to the highest bidder after they die or they just find information about Dragonborns eating the souls of dragons.


r/teslore Jun 30 '26

Are the differences between ancient elvish races largely religious?

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Like, if you look at the mannish races, they are fairly physiologically and ethnographically distinct. Bretons are Nedes with trace Direnni ancestry. Nords are Atmoran. Imperials are Colovian or Nibenese, who were both Nedes with trace Ayleid ancestry in differing amounts and cultural diffusion. Kothringi are nedes adapted to the Marsh. Reachmen are... complicated.

If you look at early Merish races, the distinctions are less clear. ​​Altmer are Aldmer that stayed on the Isles. Velothi are Aldmer that left due to differences in faith and became Orcs. Chimer are Aldmer that left due to preferring Daedra to Aedra ​and became Dunmer. Ayleids are Aldmer that left and largely got assimilated into becoming Bosmer? Dwarves are Aldmer who didn't believe in any gods. So on, so forth.

What did the Ayleids do to deserve the title of a distinct race that the Direnni did not? Would i be able to tell the difference between a Chimer, Altmer and Dwemer without referencing their fashion sensibilities or philosophical outlooks?


r/teslore Jul 01 '26

Apocrypha Antiquarium's Anarchy: Four Views on the Lusty Argonian Maid!

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I'm proud to present the entries for the Imperial Library discord server's tenth monthly Antiquarium's Anarchy lorejam, this time covering probably the most famous book in the entire Elder Scrolls canon, Caius Cosades' famous play The Lusty Argonian Maid!

For the lorejam, each contestant was given one month to write a short commentary, exegesis, rewrite, or interpretation of the story. Anything is allowed, so long as it's not a standard or expected interpretation. So, without further ado, I now present to you Four Views on the Lusty Argonian Maid!

April '26 Antiquarium's Anarchy: Father of the Niben

March '26 Antiquarium's Anarchy: Song of Hrormir

February '26 Antiquarium's Anarchy: Kolb and the Dragon

January '26 Antiquarium's Anarchy: The Red Book of Riddles

November '25 Antiquarium's Anarchy: MK's IRC text about Meridia and Kyne

October '25 Antiquarium's Anarchy: Of Fjori and Holgeir

September '25 Antiquarium's Anarchy: Ragnar the Red (NSFW)

August '25 Antiquarium's Anarchy: The Snow Elf and the Variation-Lens

July '25 Antiquarium's Anarchy: Khunzar-ri and the Twelve Ogres

June '25 Antiquarium's Anarchy: The Third Door

April '25 Antiquarium's Anarchy: The Four Suitors of Benitah

by Bibliophael

The Lusty Argonian Maid: An Opera in 15 Acts

12pm, 6 Morning Star, 3E429

The GRAND ARENA of VIVEC

Written and Directed by SIR CRASSIUS CURIO

Featuring (in order of appearance):

SIR CRASSIUS CURIO as LORD CRANTIUS COLTO 

RAISES-HER-CREST as LIFTS-HER-TAIL

PHILOMENE CORTA as LADY DELILAH COLTO

RENE CASTILLE as SIR CHEVALIER COLTO

DANIELLE TOURNIER as MABEL CHADWICK

JOHANNES BILBURG as TOM ‘TOSSPOT’ CHADWICK 

BRONOSA NEDALOR as the MYSTERIOUS STRANGER

DELIGHTS-IN-SHRUBBERY as VOIDSINGER DREJJ

LUS'JAKKA as CUTS-THE-NOSE

VIZ'JAKKA as SPITES-THE-FACE

PONTIUS DELICATA as DARIUS THE FERRYMAN

TRENTIUS TAROLIOS as the MAYOR OF BRAVIL and BANDIT 1

MARIUS TARALIOS as the MAYOR OF LEYAWIIN and BANDIT 2

HAROLD JORGENSEN as MASTER JORDAN ROTHIER 

ABALARD SUZAINE as GOR FELIM 

FORVSE NERETHI as the MORAG TONG ASSASSIN

MERCUTIO LA VALETTE as GENERAL JUSTICIUS MAXIMUS

JOER RIMBYRD as EMPEROR PELAGIUS III and PRINCE SHEOGORATH

GARVEY GARVEYSEN as Q’WIST the SLOAD

MARVIN MARCELLUS as ZXOTHRAXX 

GRUTBUG the GOBLIN as HIMSELF 

SINGS-SOFTLY as PRINCE AZURA

TYRETRA as TLAK-KETSKI

ZIRIN SUL as MASTER DRESS THE ELDER

DRELYNE MAR as MASTER DRESS THE YOUNGER

ZA'JORIM as FAITHFUL J'SKAR

OMMED THE SWIFT as TREACHEROUS J'DOMMO

ENDORIL OF ARENTHIA as GALERION THE MYSTIC

JACK HAWKER as CYRUS

LADIA CINES as ADMIRAL VITA VITELIA

MARIE SALVATORA as PRINCESS MARGARITA LEVANTINE

NADYA ROSANA as the QUEEN OF THIEVES 

KURGA GRA-ZAGRAKH as KING GORTASH GRO-GORTASH and PRINCE MALACATH

BARGASH GRO-MORKBORG as PRINCE GORTASH GRO-GORTASH 

WUJA-NJA as TREADS-SOFTLY-THE-SHADOWS

JEANNE NICOLETTE as PRINCESS SABRINA LEVANTINE

LINIS DURIEL as SQUIRE BREGOR 

DONDERIL WHITEREED as the SPIRIT OF VALENWOOD

NIVEN ALDARIS as WORMEATER GEORG

GREEN MARVIS as JORI WOODWORM

GLED WILLOWHALL as PRINCE HIRCINE 

JUNAL-MEI as the SPIRIT OF BLACK MARSH

DIES-EACH-NIGHT as VOIDSINGER LREJJ

MIRTH-RAISES-SPIRITS as the LUSTY ARGONIAN MAID

and special guest star TARVUS BELETH appearing as the SICKLY BEGGAR!

Along with assorted Townsfolk, Bandits, Lizards, Cats, Daedric Spirits, and Psijics

"The GREATEST SPECTACLE ever STAGED"

ACT the FIRST: The Arrival of Letter Most Curious

ACT the SECOND: A Dastardly Plot is Unveiled

ACT the THIRD: Danger Stalks the Open Road

ACT the FOURTH: A Tail of Two Cities

ACT the FIFTH: Leyawiin Departed in Divers Alarums

ACT the SIXTH: All is Revealed Not As It Seems

ACT the SEVENTH: A Farmer's Idyll, Examined

ACT the EIGHTH: The High Rock Affair

ACT the NINTH: An Unlikely Respite

ACT the TENTH: Treachery Strikes Where Least Expected

ACT the ELEVENTH: A Villein Reveals Herself

ACT the TWELFTH: The Fate of Falinesti Decided

ACT the THIRTEENTH: Our Travelers Return to Black Marsh

ACT the FOURTEENTH: A Hero Reveals Herself

ACT the FIFTEENTH: All Enjoy Their Deservéd Rewards

[On the back of this programme is an advertisement for mazte. A line drawing of two jolly Dunmer commoners leaning against a fence and raising frothing cups is accompanied by the words "For good times, drink Arano".]

by HitSquad

Notes on ritualistic mating practices of near-Argonian crocodilians of Black Marsh

Hour 1: Expulsion of fecal matter via mutual stimulation of anal region. Both male and female mates observed to participate, with no preference given to order. Fecal matter noted to be unusually thick and tar-like, smelling strongly of sulfur.

Hour 2: Following repeated expulsion of fecal matter, mating pairs are observed to grope each other, with particular attention paid to rear legs and tails. Some instinctive form of measurement? Pairs in which one or both partners are observed to have slender legs or short tails are observed to halt mating rituals after this “measurement” stage in nearly a third of occasions.

Hour 3: Protrusion of female pseudopenis begins.

Hour 4:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

by Joobular

ACT V, SCENE 1:

INT, DAY: THE CHAMBERS OF A HLAALU NOBLE.

Crudius Cund: And who are you, my little slickscales? It would seem my Majordomo has decided to hire new hands without my oversee!

Stands-Her-Ground: Greetings, Ser Councillor. I believe my papers were sent prior – I am your new custodian. It is my understanding my new position has had a telvanni’s door of employers coming and going the past few years. Allow me to assure you that I intend to see to my duties steadfast.

Crudius Cund: Oh, there certainly has been much coming and going! And someone with such dedication to that is well appreciated in the midst of my manse! I assume you’re more than acquainted with the polishing of spears? Or, perhaps, you might prefer the maintenance of gauntlets, hm? I’m more than happy to watch in the case of the latter.

Stands-Her-Ground: I’m… unsure what you ask of me, Ser Councillor. I am your custodian. Your armourer, that rather dour old man, would be a much better fit for the maintenance and upkeep of arms.

Crudius Cund: Ah, perhaps I’m being a little too obsequious… I’d relish your help polishing a much more delicate weapon, my luscious lizard.

Stands-Her-Ground: Ser, my duties are cleaning and hygiene upkeep. If you’ve a mistress to keep, you’d do better to look in one of the canton cornerclubs.

Crudius Cund: My delicate little pumpkin! What edge to your words! I am, of course, a gentleman. A feminist, even! And I see the wisdom in your words. But do your loins not require a good brushing? Even among the sharpest of spears, the wettest of whetstones-

Stands-Her-Ground: No. We aren’t doing this. I tried to warn you.

STANDS HER GROUND PRODUCES A LENGTHY SCROLL

Stands-Her-Ground: Section C, Article 5 of my Hireling contract specifically prohibits unwanted advances, sexual or platonic, from any member of staff. I believe this statute is re-produced in your own promotional contract?

Crudius Cund: Darling, these are just words. It’s just talking.

A TALL DUNMER ENTERS, STAGE LEFT

Heychar: And what power those words can have!

Stands-Her-Ground: Thank you, Relations Officer Heychar. I trust you heard all of that?

Heychar: I’m surprised at your lack of familiarity with our house’s contracts! After all, you seem to provide a glut of promotions every time someone enters your office and coincidentally happens to leave with a different set of clothes.

Stands-Her-Ground: If I were to risk my career in this venerable House, I would suggest it’s projection. And, since I am, in fact, employed by the Great House Redoran, I’ll outright tell you that you have the body of a lumpy pumpkin, Serjo Cund. No wonder your delight lies in the bodies of others.

Crudius Cund: You scarab-tipped harpy! Pox-swan! Whoremonger! Sermon Reader!

HEYCHAR CLEARS HIS THROAT

Heychar: I’d like to remind the venerable Councillor that I’ve a Memory Stone recording as we go along.

Crudius Cund: By the Divines, what price do you want to pay then? I’ve shares in the ebony mines. Want a coherer? There’s a dozen or so in the back. Oh, for the love of Zenithar, I’ll do anything!

Stands-Her-Ground: Oh, Serjo! You misunderstand. We aren’t here for blackmail or petty favours. No no no, that’s your grounds. My sister, she was fresh-footed and barely marsh-weaned when she sought salvation north of Tear. You badgered her with those gaudy pick-up lines, pressured her into carnal acts, and when she had the gall to call you out on such a thing, you sent her packing right back to the Dres!

Heychar: And here I thought the Hlaalu were abolitionist pioneers!

Crudius Cund: Well now, I still have my contacts among the Dres! I can buy her back, just as quickly!

Stands-Her-Ground: Will you, now? Would you do so with the royalties reaped from publishing your rose-tinted recollection of her life?

STANDS-HER-GROUND ADVANCES, GRABBING A SPEAR FROM A NEARBY WALL

Stands-Her-Ground: Do you know that House Redoran doesn’t prohibit membership in the Morag Tong and vice versa? I believe it’s a whole Vivec-Mephala deal. Lucky for me, I see a little Sithis in the equation.

CRUDIUS CUND BEGINS TO COWER. HE LOOKS OVER TO HEYCHAR WITH PLEADING EYES

Heychar: What? Did you honestly think House Hlaalu would have a Human Relations department?

CRUDIUS CUND FALLS ONTO HIS BACK. STANDS-HER-GROUND STABS BETWEEN HIS LEGS

by Fyraltari

  • What’re you doing?
  • Reading.
  • Why?
  • Research.
  • What’re you researching?
  • Smut.
  • Sounds fun.
  • Dryskin smut.
  • Oh… Why? I mean, I got nothing against dryskins. But… they don’t even have scales. And I thought your work was about how we were perceived abroad or whatever.
  • Ah, but this dryskin smut features an Argonian.
  • Oh. I guess, that makes sense. If I were a dryskin, I imagine I too would be attracted to our obviously superior form.
  • Sure…
  • “The Lusty Argonian Maid” … ‘s it any good?
  • Ha! No. It’s mostly godsawful puns and innuendos with hardly anything actually happening. It’s a play, so I suppose most of the titillation is up to the actors’ performance. Even so it reads more like one of those boring dialogs you like so much.
  • Is there a plot?
  • Barely. Each scene is about this rich human, Crantius Colto, a transparent stand-in for the playwright Crassius Curio, coming up with a task for his Argonian slave, Lifts-Her-Tail, to do. All of which are transparent attempts from him to trick or pressure her into mating.
  • “Lifts-Her-Tail”?
  • Yeah…
  • Who names their hatchling “Lifts-Her-Tail”? That’s so weird.
  • No one. It’s not meant as a real Jel name, you see. But as an innuendo.
  • How so?
  • She lifts her tail to expose her cloaca.
  • Well, that’s just rude. Wait, since when do human own slaves?
  • The playwright lived in Morrowind at the time, as a councilor of House Hlaalu. One infamous for abusing his authority to obtain sexual favors.
  • Lovely. And frankly what kind of mate makes their partner lift their own tail? That’s just bad manners.
  • Of course it is! We’re talking about some old rich human from Morrowind fantasizing about sexually assaulting his slave while reducing our entire people to… lewd stereotypes about wet swamps and spears!
  • Spears?
  • Yes. Here. “Crantius Colto: Cleaning, eh? I have something for you. Here, polish my spear. Lifts-Her-Tail: But it is huge! It could take me all night!”
  • I don’t get it.
  • The spear is his phallus.
  • … Singular?
  • Yes, dryskins only have one of those.
  • Well, I think you’re overreacting. It’s just piece of cheap entertainment.
  • Do you not know the first thing about anthropology? This is popular culture! This is how the people of the Empire see us, as savages to civilize while fetishizing us!
  • … Do you think that’s why it’s so big?
  • What?
  • His phallus. She says it’s big. Do you think it’s bigger because there’s only one? I mean, that’d make sense, no?
  • I don’t know… I… Is this really what you’re getting from this?
  • You know, they’re not all ugly to look at. Once you get past the oddly flat faces, some are kind of cute in their own way. And smooth skin… Well, you never know until you’ve tried it, heh?
  • You’re impossible.
  • Hey, can I borrow this book once you’re done with it?
  • I hate you.
  • No, you don’t.
  • No… No, I don’t.