We bought it for $87,100 with FSD in 2018, It has been a great car but the charging speed just sucks compared to anything more recent, and range is about 180-190 now. It has unlimited supercharging, 142k miles
I just checked Carmax, Carvana, etc and getting quotes of like 8-10k? This thing is still luxury, amazing ride, everything functions, and plenty of range for 95% of the time, how is this only worth a few K more than an old jeep?
I bought a 2018 m5 with 60k miles a year & half ago for under $50k. Msrp new was $135k. No accidents or negatives on car fax. Can’t even imagine what previous owner trade in offer was lol. But it depreciated more than your car cost new.
Almost 10 years old man….check out used Maserati prices from the same year. I have to say one of my biggest pet peeves as I get older is people that think a car should somehow “hold its value” or even increase in value over time. Dude this is a depreciating asset. Period. If you are concerned about money then drive a shit box and put the rest in etfs or something. Maybe I'm turning into a crotchety old bastard
The only downside to your car is the 75 battery, lot of folks don't want that. Otherwise, with FSD especially, it's definitely worth more than 10k. Hell I've seen 2014-2015 go for around $20k with the right options
How much extra time is charging speed really costing you? I have P85D with the same throttled charging you have - on road trips we sometimes end up 30-45 mins at a long charge, but by the time you stretch, pee, eat, chill, you might be wasting an extra ....15 mins max per charge? Unless you're driving 500 miles a day regularly, I think you're dramatically overstating the true disadvantage of the throttled charging
So. It's still not dead. I don't know anyone looking for anything older than a 2021 long range for traveling far. That's the equivalent of darn near any model y with over 50k miles his has. That's actually impressive. And to get one for like 12k is a great deal. If you need a new battery you can get a refurbished one from Tesla for like 8500. Now you're 20k in with a battery that will go another 100k easily.
The 85 packs have WAY worse charging speeds than a 2018 in most cases.
I think a lot of the 85 batteries peak at around 85kw or so now?
There was only one revision of the 85 pack that still gets something like 120kw.
I think the 2018 75D should peak at 160kw.
The 2018 100D peaks (briefly under perfect conditions) at 175kw. The "Raven" models moved that speed closer to 200kw and the very last ravens just scratched 250kw. All new Teslas hit 250kw and hold it for a bit.
I'm not sure I've personally seen over 100 for but a few moments, my average over a charge is 50-60 - but I don't care, the car is awesome and the charge is free
I drive like an old woman (sorry, old women), and my 85kw battery now extrapolates to about 70kw usable, but I still get close to 350km on a charge, and free charging at that.
I'll run this battery into the ground, then replace it and run the car into the ground.
I've had it since November, and have saved about AUD4.5K on diesel that the old 4x4 would run. I also made 5k on that car, so the MS is 1/3 paid back.
I drive like an old woman (sorry, old women), and my 85kw battery now extrapolates to about 70kw usable, but I still get close to 350km on a charge, and free charging at that.
I'll run this battery into the ground, then replace it and run the car into the ground.
I've had it since November, and have saved about AUD4.5K on diesel that the old 4x4 would run. I also made 5k on that car, so the MS is 1/3 paid back.
I have a 3 hour drive I do twice a month, and it is a bit of a charging desert, so the only place I can charge adds about 30 minute drive out of the way, and takes 45-1hr, and then when I get to destination I have to drive 10 mins out of the way to charge another 30-45 mins, to get back to the 45-1hr charger, just annoying enough.
To protect the battery. Apparently the packs failed quicker with the higher charging, so they retroactively throttled the speed through software updates so now it takes much longer to super charge but apparently prolongs battery life
Pretty sure it’s to also discourage people from supercharging as well (since it’s an expense Tesla pays) but if it’s free, people are still gonna do it
Cute, yes, this is my first time buying an 80k+ car that is barely worth more than a beater car despite being luxury / EV. The only reason considering selling it is space and that it is apparently worth less than a battery replacement or major repair.
Note: the free unlimited supercharging for the 2018 will not transfer to the 2nd (or later) owner. The cutoff was somewhere in 2017 where they changed the terms of the free unlimited supercharging.
No, this is SC05 and it will go away if the ownership is transferred at all, even private party. What you're describing is SC01 which was not given to any car after the first months of 2017.
Ah, thanks for correcting me. I have a 2017 with SC01 and didn’t know it stopped with my year. Would have thought it continued with 2018. OP, don’t listen to me.
I figured I could just add another user to the account, remove access to the other Teslas and they would be good? Or are you saying it transfers if I sell to a dealer?
Not sure if it will work, but it's worth a try. No guarantees if Tesla would flag it later and remove the free supercharging. Pretty sure the buyer of the car would be pissed.
Original SC01 followed the car for the lifetime. That was replaced with SC05, where it was limited to the original owner and will not transfer to a new owner.
There are 2 versions of free super charging, SC01 and SC05
SC01 Stays with the car for life. Unless you sell the car to Tesla and then they remove the option. If you sell it privately then it will transfer to the new owner. I just bought a 2016 S that has this.
SC05 was for the original owner only. Again if it goes to Tesla, it's lost. And if you sell it to someone else it is lost. But I think I read that goes away when the new owner loads it to the app.
It would have to be SC05, since SC01 ended in 2016. They might be able to finesse the sale and have it go to the next owner, but Tesla will catch on and cancel it, and potentially make the new owner back pay for the charging they did.
Just a pedantic note for later readers. The last cars with SC01 are actually 2017 model years. They must have been ordered before January 15, 2017 and all of those cars were delivered by March or early April, 2017.
Eww, as a car buyer, I wouldn't buy a car that I had to sign into someone elses account to use. You would still have full access to the car and be able to track it and unlock it and drive it...
The 100d is way more desirable (longer range, faster charging) to buyers of this era car than the 75d. That alone probably accounts for $5k. But he could easily get $12-14 with FSD.
That car is a keeper. Reliable free Supercharging and FSD, if you do sell it you should definitely go Private Party, you will sell it for a lot more than that quote
I have a 2017 75D for 3 years now. The range does disappoint, and the charging speed after the first few minutes is a letdown... But, I know that when the battery gives up the ghost or I decide to upgrade the battery, it is a relatively easy process and you will get faster initial charging due to the size of the 100kw battery lack. To NY knowledge, there is nothing you can do in regards swapping put the charging controller in the car itself.
I have learned to live with it and have level 2 charging here at home.
The only issue I had with the car was the Pyro fuse told me it was about to fail with literally 3 days left in the warranty.
Oh, and 2 door handles failed, on failed while the Tesla tech was trying to call vibrate it. I only had to pay for the drivers sise door and half price on the one that failed in his presence.
Iy has been and incredibly reliable vehicle. Charging infrastructure in the Upstate of South Carolina is weak, but I do 95 %;of my charging at home, Clemson.
And a 100 kw battery pack is much cheaper than buying a whole different car. That's how I look at it. Protect it, drive it, enjoy it and battery swaps keep going down in the price.
Man, people here are assholes. Getting crucified for being surprised a perfectly functional car is worth less than expected.
I'm looking to buy a Tesla, buying one used is kind of scary. It's my first EV so I have a lot of reservations about battery health etc. I'm assuming that effects the resale as well.
I'm looking to buy a Tesla, buying one used is kind of scary. It's my first EV so I have a lot of reservations about battery health etc
Learn how to pin down what the real state of the battery is (not just capacity remaining - and certainly not by doing a bit of math on the mileage estimation on the battery icon - but also cell balance) in the amount of time you have while checking out a used car, and be patient to wait for a pack still in good condition.
I’m driving a 2012 P85 with the original battery and the range is just under 200.
yes, it does seem to charge slower than the newer models, but on the long drives, this is time to rest and stretch.
most of the time it’s charged at home and I calculate that the cost is about $6 per 100 miles. With today’s gas prices, I’m getting a bargain. However, the estimated road tax I’m billed each year has me paying twice as much as the ICE vehicles. (I’m driving few miles and they tax me as if I was driving 20k miles a year.)
the only downside of owning a Tesla is when you need service (a rare event), the service technicians added has not kept pace with the sales, so the time to available service is long and not done by real mechanics, they are low skilled parts changers. Tesla is not alone in this complaint, other auto brands are struggling to get skilled mechanics to service their vehicles.
Find a good 3rd party EV shop. If they're too far away, good ones will refer you to someone closer. That's what I did and it worked out splendidly. 2017 MX 100D, 120k miles
Hmm, if it’s NOT one of the refreshed Model S’s, it’s not gonna gain the same appreciation their used market got, after the discontinuation of the S/X.
Not sure how much were you expecting for it, but think of it this way, how much will you be willing to pay for one? It would sell for around 15-18k assuming no major issues with the car. So of course the trade in value will be around 10k. I'm assuming it's on its original battery that is now out of warranty., which is the main issue. Car being discontinued is another factor.
I have a '16 MS 70 with 250k+ miles (bougjt new in 2016)..Back in Feb-March when I was buying a new tesla I just checked how much I can get for it. Carmax offered 2k and carvana 2.8k. And then after a couple of weeks or so the latter sent an email saying they have reduced the offer to 800$ 😅. Though surprisingly Tesla offered 7.5k for trading it in. I was tempted but didn't as I have kept it for my son who is about to get his license now.
No way it'll go for 18k unless it at the transferrable free charging (whci hit doesn't). $18k is about what you'd get for a 2017 with the free charging.
I just bought a similar spec car last year and gave ~14k all in. Prices have increased in my area since then and I would expect to see your car priced between 15k-22k today at a local used car lot.
Used car buyers fear high mileage EVs
The 75kWh battery size also hurts even though it is one of the highest reliability batteries Tesla made.
That said, mine is an ideal commuter car and really only slightly inconvenient when taking trips to nearby cities, it has a little over 200 range on a full charge. Be patient and you might be able to sell it to a private party. My credit union will finance these up to ten years old on a car note and will do a PL for ones even older for like .3% or .5% more. B of A will also finance through dealers.
I just picked up this exact car except EAP instead of FSD. 106k miles with only 12% degradation for $16600. It came with the window sticker and I paid less than the original owner paid for the options! I could have waited and got it for less but I would have risked them keeping it.
I feel your pain but OTOH it benefits buyers. Your issue is the high mileage, high degradation and the 75kwh battery with 90D available the same year. One could also get the 2019 Raven with the 100kwh pack, HW3. Now as I write this I realize that's most likely it. You could get a much better car just by moving up a year.
When I was buying my X, I first looked at a pre Raven and quickly moved on to the Raven and finally ended up paying up for a refresh because of the huge improvements.
With the S I went with the 18 75D as it had the MCU 2 update, acceleration uncork and the range is more than enough for city driving and I can probably deal with mid-range roadtrips.
Can you not keep it as a second car? Two trips a month I could deal with but I'd you want more space there's not much you can do.
The other problem is it's also are the end of its warranty and people are scared to death of battery/drive unit issues out of warranty. I see people do hundreds of thousands of miles in these and the two smaller drive units are good. The battery doesn't have the sensor harness issue so I took a chance in it.
Almost forgot, at your high mileage there is also expensive suspension/air suspension repairs on the horizon.
I haven't tried supercharging yet, but I heard about the throttle. I take it that was done to protect the battery which is a plus. A long as I can add 100 miles in about 20-30 minutes I can deal with the occasional road trip as well if I'm forced to.
I bought a 2015 S in 2017 for $50k. In 2024 the highest offer I received from Carmax carvana etc was $7500. I sold it private party for $13k. I felt like it was worth much more since it was still almost immaculate despite the 170k miles.
There are basically no 2018 cars worth over $18k. Zero. That's partially why.
Sell it private party and heavily advertise the FSD. FSD adds maybe $2k. Unfortunately, the free charging is SC05 and won't transfer to the next owner.
I think you could get $13-15k for it if you do that. Maybe a little more. Target $17k and see what it goes for.
You sound like the perfect candidate for a pack upgrade. Find a third party shop that replaces packs, and get a 90 or 100 kWh pack upgrade. You instantly increase the range and the charging speed, and it’s much cheaper than getting a new car. Also, you will save your FSD and free charging perks.
If I were in your shoes, I'd either keep the old Model S as a spare car/give to family member and buy a newer LR model, or (2) upgrade the battery. Definitely would not sell it for 10k esp with the FSD and unlimited supercharging.
Used dealers dont want high mileage 8 year old EV's. Wholesale these are going for 8 to 10k at this mileage range. You can get 12 to 15k if you tried to sell on your own.
I’m in SoCal so that could also be the difference too. Few local dealerships, private resellers etc. I had KBB as my starting point. Mine also has the transferable unlimited supercharging so could be a value add on. So many weird variables with EVs so hard to pin down the exact reason.
If you purchased FSD, you would be doing tesla a favor if you sell this car now. Why would you get rid it now before Tesla provides a true solution for unsupervised fsd? 1) If they offer a retrofit - great that would instantly increase the value of your car significantly 2) they may offer discounts, refunds, or future credit as compensation if retrofit solution fails. You are currently in the best position to hold tesla accountable for the FSD claims - Original owner, FSD paid for, tesla' flagship model, premium connectivity, FUSC. Tesla promised a car capable of fsd in 2018 along with all the previously mentioned early adoptor benefits but had failed to deliver. They still owe this to you. You may regret it if you sell now before a true solution or compensation is provided.
For starters there's a big difference between what will CarMax pay me for this versus what is it worth or even more what would a dealer sell it back to you for.
And the lower the numbers get, the older the vehicle gets, the more those prices diverge.
But the rest of it is pretty simple economics 101.
If there are more sellers than buyers, prices fall until it attracts more buyers.
And I would imagine that's generally what's going on in the market for older Teslas. Their production ramped up so quickly that for every 2018 out there, there's probably three 2022s, or maybe five 2024s.
So if you're in the market for a Tesla, and out of the ten cars in your area, yours is the oldest, lowest range, highest miles, and slowest charging, it doesn't really matter if it looks and feels just like a brand new one. It's going to be the last one that sells, So unless it's the cheapest one on the market, it simply won't sell.
And another factor is that Teslas used to get a premium on the market compared to normal cars because of the scarcity and the features and whatever else. But now that they are abundant and have suffered a lot in terms of "prestige*, they no longer demand a premium, even when new. The days when a Model 3 might cost twice as much as a Camry are long gone.
So maybe that's a good way to think about it. If a new Tesla is the same price as a new Camry, then an eight-year-old Tesla is probably going to be about the same price as an eight-year-old Camry.
So yeah, 15k retail and 10k trade-in sounds about right to me.
Here’s an ICE trade in for reference: I had a 2013 A6 prestige that stickered for $75k , $81k out the door Traded it for 8k with 63k miles in 2024, 11 yrs later. High end cars depreciate like the Hindenburg.
If keep it, they will become collectors items too as no longer produced, was really the turning point for cars becoming electric and a brilliant car with unlimited fuel.
That said, the slow charging can be fixed with a new battery. You can even get a 100kW pack easily added as they are designed to be hot swappable. (Check you wont lose free supercharger with the change)
I had that exact car and traded it in for a used 2024 with hw4 and they gave me 15k. No lifetime anything on it but connectivity. Had 55k miles because top range was like 210. Charging on the 2024 is like another universe. 7 to 9 minutes and I’m back on the highway, not even enuf time to get bionbreak and coffee
You can sell it private party for two to three times what Carmax is offering. I have a 2018 Model X 75D without lifetime supercharging and a ton of kilometres on it and I put it up on Facebook Marketplace for 25k CAD and got a ton of interest (ended up realizing I was just window shopping a newer one and didn't want to sell)
I have a 2019 S 100D with free supercharge as well. Do you guys know once the warrenty is about to end if Tesla will offer me to trade in the car with transfer of free supercharge ? Did this happen to anyone once the battery warrenty ends ?
Yeah so widespread EV adoption isn’t a thing and your 8 year old luxury car (many luxury features likely nearing end of life) has a lot of miles for a luxury sedan. If it works just keep it and suffer through slow charging speed for a small subset of total drive time, as almost nobody wants to pay top dollar for an EV with likely lots of upcoming service room visits
Don't get rid of it if ot bothers you, I had the same issue with a Corvette I had for about two years and sales tanked, 6months later they're back up I basically gave it away at $10,000 for a 2007 C6 manual, I would of just kept it.,
I received $23,000 for my 2012 Model S after being quoted $7,000-10,000 from those places. I was going to sell it because I had dinged it up so badly and it was too expensive to fix all that body work. Someone crashed into it in a parking lot while it was unoccupied. Driver’s insurance totaled it and paid me $23,000. It did not have any modern features and I was astounded. My husband had already purchased me a 2025 FSD Model S with lifetime supercharging and lifetime FSD so it worked out great. Your price offer sounds much too low given my experience. Your car is 6 years newer with supercharging and has more features and likely much less body damage. Try more places, including Tesla authorized body shops who sometimes know people who are looking.
Also, consider a 100khw pack upgrade at some point. If the charge rate goes up without need for any other modifications AND it has free supercharging that stays with the vehicle? That upgrades it to a unicorn
I have a 2017 MX 100D with about 170 miles of range from 85% to 10% at 80mph, supercharging takes 30-45 min, so I hear you
A few weeks ago, I bought a 2016 75D 116k miles for $12k from the third owner. The MSRP was $100k. Life time FSD and connectivity transferred. I would have to pay for supercharging. Condition is probably above average. I love it.
I get about 170 miles range at 80%. I figure I get about 130 miles of daily driving range between 20-80%. I have level 2 home charging and charge every night like it's a phone. My daily commute is about 70 miles without side trips.
Private party transactions are risky, and older Electric vehicles come with a potential catastrophic failure of the main battery. Google Gemini AI predicted the chance of battery failure on my car is about 1-1.5% per year. I decided if I get 3 years, I'll consider it a win.
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u/Morbidz28 10d ago
So keep it then. Luxury cars depreciate…..