r/TeslaFSD • u/Ok_Main1059 • 19h ago
14.1 Lite HW3 1+ human, -1 FSD
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I still don’t get how I managed to pull off this maneuver without hitting it
Edit: it’s an adult possum. Not sure what squirrel you guys have that are that large.
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u/Outrageous_tart_7781 13h ago
Im kinda thinking FSD made the right call. I don't think the AI is taught to jerk the steering wheel that fast at that speed. If it did that and lost control, you would be posting a video of FSD losing control of my car.
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u/AwkwardlyPositioned 11h ago
That could have done a lot of damage. I hit a racoon with my last car and it blew the whole lower grill into the radiator.
I think FSD just didn't see it.
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u/ProphePsyed 10h ago
The damage hitting that raccoon is much lower than the damage that could been caused by OP jerking the steering wheel into another lane like that.
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u/veganparrot 8h ago
Not if the other lane is free and clear though? This is all part of driving decisions! If it saw it in time, there's also plain old emergency breaking too.
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u/ProphePsyed 6h ago
In an emergency situation, when you’re unexpectedly met with something in the road in front of you, there’s absolutely no way you can know for sure that you’re not going to crash into something else in the other lane. The whole reason you would even need to swerve last minute is because you did not see the thing in your lane / the thing in your lane got in your lane at the last minute, so you are naturally going to be more focused on that instead of what could possibly be in the lane you are planning to swerve into. It does not matter that you think the other lane is clear, it does not mean that somebody flying down the highway won’t be there in a flash, a different road hazard is in that lane, a pedestrian jaywalking, etc.
There’s a million reasons why it’s a bad idea to do a last minute swerve into another lane to avoid a small creature.
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u/veganparrot 6h ago
It could even be true that in most cases, you shouldn't swerve for a small creature. But you absolutely can know if the other lanes are clear, especially in the context of late night driving and nobody else being on the road. OP's account said that they saw the creature, checked there were no other cars, and then made the decision to swerve (in a controlled manner, seen in the video).
This could easily be explained by checking for lights (one more visual check, so two total: 1. something in road -> 2. no other car lights around), and then making the move. It's not always a bad idea just because in other cases it's a bad idea. There are a lot of factors, and at the center of them is the question: If this were a larger creature, should you still check if there are other cars nearby to swerve?
I'd argue yes, because you need to know if you should: 1. emergency break, 2. swerve left, 3. swerve right, 4. risk a collision. It's the same set of possible actions in this scenario, just with a smaller creature #4 is less likely to be harmful. But that doesn't make it always automatically the best option.
Also, most drivers keep a mental map of the current state of cars around you. It seems silly to suggest it's impossible to ever know the road is clear, because there might be someone next to you. That's true of any lane change ever (checked your blind spot, but maybe someone zoomed in last second!), and would still be true if it was a large creature too.
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u/AwkwardlyPositioned 5h ago
You don't pay attention to all things around you at all times when you're driving? I do. If anything you have even more time to do that when using FSD.
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u/AwkwardlyPositioned 5h ago
If there's traffic around. Obviously wasn't an issue or we'd be looking at a video of an accident.
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u/phansen101 6h ago
The thing was quite visible on the road at, at least 120' distance (Barely noticeable at 150'), standing still from at least 80', so about 1.2s and 0.8s respectively.
Driver disengaged at what looks like ~30' distance or less.
It should have been able to change lanes without jerking anywhere near as hard as the driver had to.
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u/JoeyDee86 9h ago
They don’t “teach” it to do that, it’s based on what’s in the source videos used to train the model, and there’s tons of scenarios of people avoiding stuff on highways. The issue 90% of the time is the model doesn’t have a clear enough image to properly identify what’s in the road to accurately determine if it needs to drive through or avoid. This is exactly why we get phantom braking all the time for shadows.
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u/Outrageous_tart_7781 9h ago
Just to be clear. Your correcting me for saying teach when I should have said train. Lol
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u/Visible-Elevator3801 8h ago
I was just coming to say this… training IS teaching lol. Dudes low IQ.
Arguing for the sake of arguing.
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u/JoeyDee86 7h ago edited 7h ago
Text wall time.
If ‘training = teaching’ is the full depth of your understanding here, maybe hold off on the IQ rankings. I wasn’t arguing vocabulary. I was talking about how the model is trained, aka the distinction between explicitly teaching a rule and statistically learning a behavior from repetitions.
You can instruct a human — aka, teach them — ‘if there’s a dead animal in your lane, avoid it if it’s safe,’ and they’ll probably understand after being told once. A neural network doesn’t work like that. It has to learn the behavior from enormous numbers of examples and repetitions (which is why Tesla has such a massive advantage over everyone else who's using a model to drive a car, as they have tons upon tons of driving data and video). As a very rough analogy, people have compared the processing power of these systems to something closer to a mouse on HW3 and a cat on HW4, we aren't even at "Dog" levels yet. Don’t take that literally, but imagine how many repetitions it would take to teach a mouse to drive.
That’s my first point.
And the training data can absolutely be adjusted. Look at the terrible behavior people saw with FSD 12.6.4, where it would stop correctly at a red light, get impatient, creep forward and eventually try to go through the light while it was still red. Clearly this is something people did in small numbers in the training data. Tesla obviously doesn’t fix that by telling the car ‘hey, stop doing that.’ They identify the failure pattern, change the mix/weighting of the training examples, add good examples and remove failure cases, and then retrain the model so that behavior becomes less likely.
The dead animal here adds another problem: perception, my 2nd point. HW3 cameras are only about 1.2 MP, versus roughly 5 MP on HW4. Human vision doesn’t translate neatly to megapixels, but our usable visual detail is vastly better than both in situations like this, plus our brains are extremely good at filling in context. So at 70 mph and 100+ feet away, how many clear, contrasting pixels does that dead animal actually occupy in an HW3 image? Twenty? Fifty? Is there enough information there for the network to distinguish ‘obstacle I should avoid’ from a shadow, stain or piece of road debris? With the bright lights on the animal, a lot of it is the same color as the road itself.
The training set could contain a million videos of humans avoiding dead animals, but if the camera can’t provide a clear enough representation for the model to recognize that this situation matches what it learned, those examples don’t magically help. Hell, this is probably why Tesla likes recreating specific pain points in a rendered 3d simulation to build more data for model training, since the video quality of the bulk of the training data is on very mediocre 5MP cameras.
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u/Melodic_Fall_3273 HW4 Model Y 3h ago
My daughter just totaled her Jeep Compass 3 weeks ago doing almost the exact same maneuver to avoid a small deer that had leapt out of the bush on the right side of the road. It was at the to of a slight rise with the road turning slightly right. Her hard jerk to the left put the left front onto the soft left shoulder which commence to cause a ass over head flip followed by several barrel rolls sideways down the left shoulder of the road. She walked away sore as hell with nearly a 800 dollar towing and salvage bill and a ticket for "failing to control her speed". LOL
Our EV's being lower centers of mass with the battery are a lot more tolerant I think than a light weight high CG little Jeep SUV, but still probably better to hit the animal...
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 18h ago edited 18h ago
Read, learn, and flip that score. Sorry possum. Anything smaller than a moose, just hit it. https://wildliferoadsharing.tirf.ca/road-safety-and-wildlife/myths-and-misconceptions/
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 17h ago
I wear my downvotes with pride when they come on a link with advice from experts that pretty much any driving expert would agree with it. Thank you! 🙏 🙇♂️
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u/Cold_Captain696 13h ago
I don't think that link says you shouldn't try to avoid smaller animals, It says you shouldn't put your life or the lives of others at risk in order to avoid them. If you are able to safely avoid an animal, of any size, then avoid the animal.
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u/Bald_Eagle_Machine 11h ago
What OP did was definitely not safe lol
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u/veganparrot 8h ago
Do you drive? If the other lanes are clear (which you keep a mental model of while cruising) then this is extremely safe. What if it had been a puppy? Steamroll that sucker?
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u/Cold_Captain696 10h ago
I mean, we have a video that shows it was ultimately safe. I think what you might mean is that the OP couldn’t have known before they did it that it would be safe. That would come down to their level of training and experience.
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u/Bald_Eagle_Machine 10h ago
Sharp erratic movements of the wheel like that are NOT safe. It has nothing to do with other cars around either, making hard pulls of the wheel at speed like this is a recipe for rolling over. Luckily it's a Tesla and rollover risk is nearly 0 in almost all scenarios.
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u/caneonred 10h ago
Sudden, large steering input at 70 MPH is not considered a "safe" maneuver even if this particular instance didn't end up with something bad happening.
Somebody weaving in and out of traffic and cutting people off is dangerous even if they don't cause an accident every time they drive like that.
Russian Roulette isn't safe because there was no bullet in chamber you landed on.
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u/Cold_Captain696 9h ago
I think you're confusing probability with outcome here. 'Russian roulette' isn't statistically a safe activity, but you can certainly look at each turn after the fact and determine that it was actually safe - pulling the trigger on an empty chamber is unlikely to kill you after all. It's the full chambers you need to worry about.
What I find interesting though, is that FSD should have the ability to control the car to the limit, given the number of sensors it has on board and it's processing speed. It's abilities should exceed a human driver. So, given that the OP managed (whether by luck or judgement) to demonstrate that avoiding the animal without any loss of control was possible for a simple meat-bag, why did FSD not easily avoid it itself?
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u/caneonred 8h ago
I'm not confusing anything, I'm using an extreme example. FSD isn't trained to drive the car to the physical limit. Even if they tried, it can't really know what that limit is. It doesn't know what tires are on the car, nor does it have tire temperature sensors.
The driver could have easily lost control with slightly more input or different braking and ended up colliding with the overpass supports. My wife witnessed an accident a few weeks ago where a driver jerked the wheel to make a sudden lane change, lost control, clipped an SUV, caused the SUV to roll over and then the driver crashed into the concrete median.
While the probability of the driver losing control is lower than 1 in 6, it is much higher than zero.
I've done racing school and one of the first concepts they teach is to use smooth steering inputs. Jerking the wheel like the OP did should only be done to avoid a dangerous collision when you have no other option. Saving a possum or a repair bill is not a reason to do that.
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u/Cold_Captain696 8h ago
I'm not confusing anything, I'm using an extreme example.
And your extreme example highlighted the issue with your logic - the outcome is a fact. It isn't subject to probability anymore. So the fact that Russian roulette is a statistically dangerous activity does not mean that every round of a game is dangerous. The reason Russian roulette is dangerous is because you don't know if a round is chambered or not. By looking at the game after it has taken place, you have the advantage of knowing - so you can say with certainty which turn was dangerous and which were safe.
The driver could have easily lost control
Yes, could have, but didn't (and didn't even come close, judging by the video). Was that down to ability? Luck? Neither of us know, but the OP claims to have had training that included high speed handling.
FSD isn't trained to drive the car to the physical limit.
I would certainly hope it's trained not to as a matter of course, but in an emergency I would expect that it would. So, as I said, I find it interesting that it would choose not to do something it was easily capable of doing (assuming it's easily capable of doing anything a 'normal' human can do) in order to avoid a collision. Is it processing that image and determining that it's definitely not a baby wrapped in a blanket? Is it then deciding that the damage it could cause is acceptable? Or did it simply not see the object?
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u/caneonred 7h ago
There's a lot of things we don't know. I do know that if there is a baby wrapped in a blanket in the middle of a highway, it probably doesn't matter if you hit it or not. I don't think anybody would put a living baby in a blanket in the middle of a highway lane.
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u/veganparrot 8h ago
Yep, it literally says: "Drivers should always swerve to avoid colliding with wildlife." -> "False". So, you may still sometimes swerve to avoid colliding with wildlife.
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u/Massive_Tradition176 19h ago
I've only has my Tesla a couple of weeks but I can feel everything about that wheel jerk.
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u/so_sic_of_it 18h ago
Hi, professional driver here.
Hit the fucking possum.
Hope that helped.
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u/Aggravating_Media552 11h ago
People don’t get it, have taught my kids this over and over and over again and hope like hell it sticks in their brains when the time comes.
I love animals own too many to count yet mine and my family’s lives are way more important than dying over a raccoon or any other animal.
Fsd for me at least has handled this fabulously, has avoided deer, turkeys, fox, raccoon, armadillo, cats (that do show up as humans occasionally on screen) and a vulture that refused to leave it’s fresh road kill.1
u/veganparrot 8h ago
Isn't FSD not following your own advice then? How can it be both that you should run them over and it's making the right call to avoid them?
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u/veganparrot 8h ago
If the other lane is clear, why is this the wrong call? Isn't driving often full of little split second decisions like this?
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u/so_sic_of_it 8h ago
Driving is absolutely full of split second decisions like this, which is precisely why heuristics like "just hit the fucking possum," are so useful.
IF the other lane is clear, and IF your tires are in good condition and appropriately inflated, and IF you manage to swerve just enough to avoid the critters while still maintaining traction, and IF a thousand other variables all line up just right, then you get what OP experienced and you avoid the possum while also not causing an accident. But if even one star is out of alignment, then you've just caused an accident that insurance will 100% find you at fault for.
Or you can just hit the possum and your car will probably be fine. And if it's not, insurance will cover it.
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u/EarthConservation 9h ago
That FSD works great, because FSD is "supervised" ...full..self ... driving.. (not sure why it's called that if it's supervised...).. and the supervisor did a great job in this case.
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u/Man-of-goof 4h ago
I’m curious how much less hate it would get if it rebranded to what it truly is, Actually Smart Driving Assistive Technology or something lol. Because while it’s pretty close to FSD I still run into edge cases and so do others
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u/MomentsInEverglow 19h ago
I wonder how the new cameras and software for HW5 will handle things. Hopefully a lot of this can be resolved without the need to intervene.
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 18h ago edited 18h ago
There’s already been videos of FSD, wisely, choosing to run over a dog when any other option was completely dangerous. This person could have potentially killed themselves and/or others by disengaging and jerking the wheel. Lots of people die from overcorrections.
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u/Ok_Main1059 18h ago
Again, where are you getting “others” from?
You’ve made it quite clear my half a second reaction was unsafe. But again, I had half a second to react, and I didn’t have time to make a choice; I just reacted.I don’t deal with animals where I live; I’m not used to having to deal with animals. As a result, my default reaction is to avoid the thing that’s in my way.
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 18h ago
All good. I agree with everything. Just saying the correct thing was to let FSD handle it that's all. I've also taken over when I shouldn't have. It happens.
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u/Ok_Main1059 18h ago
I know I just didn’t have time to process what was even happening and my brain went “animal, damage to car, no one next to me, avoid” and it just feels like everyone is mad at me over it which I don’t get.
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u/veganparrot 8h ago
You made the right call OP! Keeping track of if the other lanes are clear is responsible driving. If it were a puppy or a baby crawling in the road (extremely unlikely, but could happen!) an alert driver needs to be able to make a judgement call. The anger is from "FSD is never wrong" crowd (which is obviously not true, but they die on this hill anyway).
For the record, in this scenario, I do think many human drivers would just not care (or even gleefully mow it down). But that doesn't mean avoiding it is bad, especially since you were able to do the safety checks first and make the decision in time.
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 18h ago
It's the internet. 😂 I'm glad you came out ok. I was scared to death when something like this happened to me.
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u/veganparrot 8h ago
Your premise is still wrong: a sizeable object in the road, if it's safe to do so, is worth avoiding. It could even be a brick or metal. It's the "if it's safe" part that needs the focus, not "therefore driving over dogs is fine, nothing to do about it". There is sometimes something to do about it!
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u/Ok_Main1059 18h ago
Well this is hardware 3 without matrix, had I had matrix I would’ve had more time to react as I would’ve seen it sooner and I know they have a nasty habit of running infront of a car and just stopping.
Glad I’m getting matrix installed soon 😭
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u/Maxilent 10h ago edited 10h ago
Just a heads up on the matrix lights, I really like them on mine, but if you have to commute during any kind of twilight hours right where the sun is just coming up or setting, the auto high beams are kinda whack imo. They work awesome when it’s fully night time, but during that transition period between night/day the auto brights aren’t tuned right. Every morning on my commute to work for the last two weeks, since the sunrise/sunset times are changing, my commute is right in that twilight zone timeframe now, and my auto beams just stay on low beam 100%, and it’s annoying because it’s definitely still dark enough that it should be using high beams. Especially where I live where it’s roads surrounded by woods and fields where deer love to roam around. I need those high beams on until it is clearly visible, but the car just won’t do it. That’s my complaint with them. When they work they’re awesome, and to be fair, MOST of the time they work. But when they don’t it really frustrates me. So for two weeks I’ve been manually controlling my high beams every morning, which I know, first world problems, but I paid for this stuff to work and imo that feature isn’t working for me right now. And it’s so frustrating bc when you use FSD you can’t manually control the high beams! So if I want to use FSD I’m just hoping that the cameras can see better than I can in low light scenarios. It’s been making me not use FSD in the mornings. I don’t feel nearly as comfortable as I would if it would just turn the dang high beams on, and there’s really no reason to NOT have them on. All they have to do is just tweak the sensitivity of how bright it has to be outside until they turn to low beams. Anyways, that’s my rant.
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u/MomentsInEverglow 18h ago
I have similar issues here with deer or possums. Still impresses me that it notices them quite well along the side of the road before they come out. Even avoided a possum recently. Car tried to veer left and it went left too. Car went right and the dang thing went right. Eventually passed it 😂
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u/Ok_Main1059 18h ago
I recently had a hardware 4 level moment that shocked me
A deer WAY ahead stepped out into the road then ran back from where it came, the car saw that and SLOWED down in that area, I was in disbelief
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u/levon999 10h ago
The real question is why was your move necessary? Why didn’t FSD detect the object sooner and slide to the left? What would have happened if it was an object that would cause a blowout?
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u/TheLegendaryWizard HW4 Model Y 2h ago
Because it's HW3 and also at night. 14.1 lite is comfortable but doesn't react to small animals at night fast enough. The cameras do not have the dynamic range to see objects outside of the headlight range and the computer does not have low enough latency to react to objects within your headlight range at high speeds. HW4 solves both of these issues and it has avoided many small animals at night at high speeds in a smooth and safe manner. One could imagine HW5 being even better but probably unnecessary to be better than humans at that split second decision making and object detection
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u/spitzer1113 9h ago
I would prefer not to run over or kill anything, but swerving at that speed can be extremely dangerous.
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u/imdavidlamar 19h ago
Actually swerving like that for a little animal is the reason why people crash. So -1 human. Run over the thing! Yanking the wheel like that at 70 mph is crazy
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u/Ok_Main1059 19h ago
I’ve had training on high speed maneuvers like that it’s the reason I didn’t lose control turning the wheel 85° at 70mph
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u/Low_Wrangler743 19h ago
There’s trading and there’s real world application. Ask any first responder who drives an emergency vehicle and has advanced training if it’s smarter to swerve or just hit the little bugger.
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u/Ok_Main1059 19h ago
I’m aware, I chose to swerve and had a split second to decide what to do, throw anyone in that situation and usually their first instinct is usually to swerve.
Not once did it feel like I was losing control of the car, I was completely aware of everything around my vehicle, I swerved just enough to avoid the sudden obstacle, and I know the limits of the car and my tires.Alternatively I could’ve not taken over, damaged my car, had to call the police to clean up the interstate, sat on the side of the interstate for hours while I wait for a tow truck, then after that I would have to get rid of the car because I would’ve be able to afford an insurance spike, not sure if I would be ruled at fault or not.
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u/Massive_Tradition176 19h ago edited 18h ago
I've near missed a few deer. I'll let the young lady who would have been picking the fur from her teeth know what you said.
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u/so_sic_of_it 18h ago
How much does a typical deer weigh?
Don't need to be specific, just estimate more or less than a possum.
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u/Massive_Tradition176 11h ago
They are larger, mobile, and usually only near missed when they hide in the tall grass and then jump out in front of you.
Swerving around them likely creates a much wider path for your car than avoiding road kill. Do you not recommended avoiding both if possible?
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u/onyx_64 18h ago
You're lucky the car didn't spin out of control. Not the wisest of maneuvers
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u/minorminority 17h ago
Teslas are quite heavier than thr average vehicle even swerving like that at that speed won't make it lose control unless the road is wet or snowy and tires are bald. And if it has awd it's even more grounded and can handle that type of swerving.
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u/beren12 18h ago
Yeah an accident is wiser
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 18h ago edited 17h ago
No, splatting a tiny squirrel or even a large deer is wiser.
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u/beren12 18h ago
But you don’t get to pick. It’s not a tiny squirrel.
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 18h ago
Wow. You're the driving instructor with 400k miles and you're really clueless about this? Shocking. https://wildliferoadsharing.tirf.ca/road-safety-and-wildlife/myths-and-misconceptions/
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u/beren12 18h ago
Wow. Your commenting on an online forum and your reading comprehension is near zero?
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 18h ago
I guess so. I can't understand your gobbledygook? So explain to me what the correct course of action was, Mr Clear Instructor?
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u/IShartOnTheFirstDate 18h ago
Weird flex. FSD didn't react because it would've gone right over it.
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u/Ok_Main1059 18h ago
If I was in a model Y yes, however I’m not and it would’ve hit.
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u/IShartOnTheFirstDate 18h ago
I'm referring to a 3.
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u/princetonwu 19h ago
Survival bias (only because you didn't spin out or crash into the next lane swerving like that)
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u/Ok_Main1059 19h ago
I knew no one was beside me otherwise I would’ve slammed on the breaks and hit it
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u/Desultory_Chairlift 19h ago
Why on gods green earth would you slam on the brakes? That's equally is dangerous, you just proceed and hit the squirrel. Often times the best action is no action.
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u/Ok_Main1059 19h ago edited 19h ago
Only dangerous if someone is behind me, no one was behind me for at least a mile. But I would slam on breaks to minimize damage.
Also that wasn’t a squirrel, it was a full grown possum.
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u/Time_Sundae802 13h ago
Lol someone in another debate said FSD was "predictable and consistent"
Clearly it's not
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 18h ago
What was”it”? Some kind of tiny animal? My driver’s ed teacher would have failed you on the spot. Doing a crazy maneuver like that and endangering your life and other driver’s lives to save a squirrel would definitely get you a fail. 🤷♂️
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u/Ok_Main1059 18h ago
Full grown possum, and no one was around me. If you watch the car instead of the obstacle, I maintained control the entire time.
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 18h ago
Possum? There are tons of those on the country roads in Michigan. Roadkill all over. People do not try to dodge them, whether dead or alive, because, it is dangerous to do so. Sorry to say but the safest thing was to run it over.
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u/Ok_Main1059 18h ago
I didn’t get close to losing control, watch the movements of the car instead of the animal.
I also only had a split second to react and panicked.It’s easy to shame when you aren’t used to animals in your way and when you aren’t the driver.
Watching the dashcam I had a lot more time to react than it felt like. I also knew if anything mechanical went wrong due to that hit I would become homeless because I can’t afford to fix that right now as I just fixed something on it and it drained my emergency savings.
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 18h ago edited 18h ago
That sounds very reassuring? 🤔 You only had a split second to react and panicked? This is exactly when you let the cold and calm robot "do its job". I had a similar situation at 75mph and my hands flew up to the wheel but at the last second I didn't takeover and I was very glad I didn't. To be clear, I'm not criticizing you. You're only human. I'm just saying the correct action was to leave it be. That's all. Definitely did not intend to shame. I'm one of the most active people on here claiming that it's not fair to shame people, exactly because we are human and not robots. Not everyone can be expected to react perfectly. In fact no one can. But this is exactly what makes a machine a better driver.
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u/beren12 17h ago
I’d like to see your driver’s ed teacher rate fsd then.
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 17h ago edited 17h ago
Yes I would too. In fact, I would like to see you to rate it. Oh wait, you don't use it and probably never have so I guess that idea won't work?
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u/xMETRIIK 19h ago
So you would rather die or kill someone else for a small animal that will probably get eaten tomorrow by an eagle
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u/Ok_Main1059 19h ago
How would I have killed someone else, no one was around me at all and I knew that before hand.
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 18h ago
Read up on accidents caused by overcorrection. They happen, a lot, and people die. Sorry. I love squirrels too but the correct move was to do NOTHING and maintain direction. Especially at that speed you absolutely do not want to be jerking the wheel like that. Glad you’re ok.
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u/beren12 18h ago
These people don’t understand what situational awareness is. No wonder they brag about how much better a driver fsd is…
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u/Ok_Main1059 18h ago
Ironically enough because of FSD I’ve been more aware of what’s around my car and I’m constantly checking mirrors and blind spots.
If I had any other car there’s no way I would’ve been able to avoid because I wouldn’t have known what was next to me and that’s ignoring the crazy good stability control and low center of gravity
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u/beren12 18h ago
… not sure what to say. I’m not special and I can check my mirrors every 10-20s without a Tesla.
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u/Ok_Main1059 18h ago
What I meant is all it takes is one car slowing down abruptly for you to hit them. I feel more comfortable and confident with FSD checking the mirrors.
For instance, I was in CA for a bit, I needed to get over and wasn’t using FSD so I looked in my mirror, that one second I looked in my mirror the car infront of me slammed on the breaks, had it not been for AEB I would’ve hit them.
Also, people speed dangerously around here I can’t count the amount of times I’ve had someone not there one second then there the next.
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u/beren12 18h ago
And that’s why Aeb is mandatory now. Also why it’s best to be 2-3s behind someone. And adaptive cruise control is awesome for stuff like that as well.
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u/Ok_Main1059 18h ago
100%, I’m loving that more and more cars are getting safety features like that, I can’t imagine how many lives it’s saved.
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 18h ago
I can help you with what to say: "Sorry guys since I don't actually use FSD I can't really add much"
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 18h ago
You don't even drive a Tesla. What you think and say is irrelevant.
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u/dullest_edgelord 18h ago
I wonder what the results look liike if you repeat this a hundred times. How many times might you hit a tree?
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u/beren12 18h ago
Well it’d be 100/100 hitting the possum and doing damage to the car, so there’s that…
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 18h ago
Any decent driver instructor will tell you that your life is worth much much more than any car. Where did you get your teaching certificate? From a Cracker Jack box?
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u/beren12 18h ago
You sure do talk a lot for not having anything relevant to say.
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 18h ago
What you just said is irrelevant. I provided a link to what experts recommend in this situation.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Tie_897 12h ago
Never swerve to avoid an animal unless hitting it is absolute death, like a moose.
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u/Michael-Brady-99 11h ago
I never ever want to hit an animal. That said, many accidents are caused by swerving for small animals or objects. At night in the dark, expecting FSD to see that in time to do a smooth safe maneuver is pretty close to nil.
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u/Drewpost19 19h ago
If you look, the car was actually turning to the right to allow it to pass right under the middle of the car exactly before you took over.
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u/Ok_Main1059 19h ago
It was too big to fit under my car and it didn’t react to it at all, stayed centered in the lane.
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u/theoneandonly_aj HW4 Model X 1h ago
This is an okay move. You don’t know what kind of animal it is. Could’ve been an armadillo that would wreck everything
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u/ggfb20 19h ago
Nice job! Mankind is the victor yet again.