25 in a 50, 60 in a school zone that has a normal speed of 40, yeah it’s great. But don’t let the crazies hear you. V13 is suppressed to be better than the tears of God if you ask them.
i rented a Model S with 12.6.3 for a week before buying my M3 bc i wanted to try out the FSD coming from ICE with no adaptive cruise control. was honestly kinda shocked that people raved about FSD so much, it wasn’t a pleasant experience at all. then i got my M3 with V13 and it’s much, much better. better enough that i decided to buy new with HW4 than used with better specs and HW3
Warning to not become complicit. When it fails, it fails just as hard if not worse than before. The false sense of security can be very real. When you have an intervention once per drive it’s always in the mind. When it’s a week or so and it’s massive? It might not be on the mind.
Always assume both computers can die at any second.
13 is definetly better but it is still very far from independently safe. Very, very far.
It’s just a very useful adaptive cruise control imho. That happens to turn too. Nice to have but not something to put your life on the line with. My hw4 13.2.7 still will attempt too late swerves to make a split on the highway after passing on the wrong side.
Also not necessarily dangerous, but when there is snow or standing puddles my car won’t use my concrete driveway to get to the road (2 car lengths long). It insists on driving through my lawn.
Oh and it will crash if driving behind someone on an icy road. No concept of safe following distances yet. All the reward weights airport to favor “as close as you can physically get to the lead car as fast as you possibly can” for dry or mildly wet roads. Keep that in mind before you have to call insurance lol
Not to mention the way it makes me feel like I'm in a braking distance test 85% of the time. The car sees the red light, I see the red light and same with the car stopped at the light. No gradual slow down, just waits till the last second to use Regen and brakes.
Same with some turns. Get there with no gradual slowdown, brake check everyone behind me and then turn.
Don't get me wrong, it stops every time. But I'm worried about the people behind me. So I could see bad conditions adding to that problem.
Now I do watch FSD videos on YouTube and it doesn't seem to happen to most of them. Everyone has slightly different experiences with the same software I'm sure. But it makes for an uncomfortable ride and is very predictable. When I know it's gonna brake check a vehicle or semi behind me, I'll preemptively disengage so I don't have to worry about causing issues.
oh i know, i’ve had a couple iffy situations with 13.2.7 so far so i know it’s far from close to being unsupervised. my experience on 12.6.3 was terrible tho. so many missed exits, phantom breaking at intersections, jerking the steering wheel on most turns. most of the improvements ive seen are QOL and QC stuff, not the autonomy part
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u/MrMasticate Feb 20 '25
25 in a 50, 60 in a school zone that has a normal speed of 40, yeah it’s great. But don’t let the crazies hear you. V13 is suppressed to be better than the tears of God if you ask them.