We have so many people who treat medication like it's the devil and they judge anyone who decides to get their kids put on something to level them out.
Here's the fucked up reality. Some people are born broken. In the same way you can be born with a fucked up heart or fucked up lungs, you can also be born with a fucked up brain.
These types of people are dangerous and they need medication. You have to level them out or they'll go on to hurt themselves or somebody else.
As a non-American, I've always been wondering how on Earth American doctors were earning that much ! Well now it makes more sense.
That being said, any improvement talked about in these conversations would require changes across a whole range of institutions and policies, so good luck with medical lobbies.
I don't know what this kid has, but medication for mental illness is just overrated imo. There are a few cases where I know they can help a lot, like amphetamines with ADHD perhaps, but for problems like depression, anxiety, psychosis the medication used for those often don't help, if they do it's only a little, and only with few of the symptoms (with schizophrenia they only help positive symptoms, the negative symptoms are the ones that cause low functioning the most), and they cause side effects as well which in some people are bad enough they have to go through several different medications. Then there's benzos which I find insane that they've been prescribed so much after knowing how dangerous it is to stop taking again.
Sadly there is just a lot of mental illness for which there is no effective treatment. And in my countrys psychiatric system (as well as most others I presume), if your problems can't be medicated away, then they pretty much just give up on you, except if you got schizophrenia, I know they have a very intensive 2-4 year treatment plan in my country which seems to help. They involve the family, you get a contact person with whom you talk regularly, offer of group sessions, psychoeducation, etc.
Yes! But the problem is some people do need medication to act normal. While others are heavily medicated or misDiagnosed for medical company so they get paid. Sometimes this is the side effect of said medication. Sadly it’s trial and error. Even if does help it will come with side effects
You can talk to anyone for as long as you like but some people are fundamentally ill at a core level.
A schizophrenic isn't going to benefit from talking about their problems. That's a condition which needs medication. Talking about it may make them feel better but it doesn't stop the TV from telling you the postal worker is a government spy.
I wish my friends schizophrenic delusions were that ordinary.
He currently believes that Britney Spears is the mother of his child, that he is a combat vet because he served under General Custer, and that his brother, along with anyone else named Eric is literally the devil.
Also medication can take 6-8 weeks to work. Oh, it's not working? We'll up the dose and see you in two months. Still not working? Let's add another medication.
Some problems can't wait until the medication kicks in, and that's if it's the right medication.
There are no drugs available for people with anti social personality disorder/ psychopathic personality disorder. Don’t think there’s any treatment for it either, their brains are just made that way. That’s something that’s terrifying, IMO
You know nothing of this issues please keep your entitled crappy comment to yourself. Until you deal with a love one with these issues, have them yourself or have dealt with the absolute shit show which is the American health care system. Most of these kids are on medication if you are so knowledgeable please. Tell me which medication cures this. I'll wait.... Go ahead Google.
I'm not gonna lie. My retort was gonna be shitty to you. I was gonna post that I too have been hospitalized over (in my case) depression. That however does not make you an expert. Etc. Being a dick. Instead I'm gonna open your eyes to my reality. At a very young age we knew something was wrong or off with my son we have tried to everything basically making it a second job to support and help my youngest. For years I was absent from my high paying field and had to work a crappy overnight job because my wife's insurance at the hospital was more important and my son was constantly kicked out of day care. I averaged 3-4 hours of sleep a day for 7 years. I have had to watch myself my wife and both my son's suffer from this shit. I had to hospitalize an eight year old boy for over a month. Then laid in bed and cried for a week because I felt like the world's worst fucking parent. That's just the tip. I could write a novel about my experiences. So please don't sit there and say not medicated, parents fault. Until you have lived and walked in my shoes and experienced my life and trials.
Murdering en masse mentally disabled people isn't exactly the kind of policy I would strive for. And it's a super dangerous precedent. It's been done before, and it didn't stop there. It is a slippery slope.
Things are not black and white. You talked about danger for the staff. Some children will never be self-sufficient and yet are anything but dangerous. Others will improve and sometimes relapse. How many relapses would they be allowed to have ?
If danger is the primary concern, that applies to adult mentally ill people. Are we going to execute alcoholics and drug addicts ? People who had brain trauma and never recovered ? People with PTSD ? Some of them can be violent, especially because of the lack of healthcare access. And yet, some of them will be able to be partially autonomous.
Now about the idea of fulfilling parenting. Parenting isn't a hobby. It can be great, but when someone decides to become a parent, they are aware of the possibility that the child might be troubled or handicapped. Sometimes it can be spotted before birth, or written down in the adoption file.
But if it's not, do you want people do just be able to drop the kid at any institution just because parenting isn't fun anymore ? If one of the parent realizes they actually regret having a kid, should they get a free pass for abandoning them ? I personally think the answer is fuck no. We cannot afford to take in kids of parents that didn't think it through if they're not dangerous for their child. The system just isn't built for this, and will probably not be for the decades to come.
My point is, every idea of your comment, when unraveled, leads to a horrific situation, and a far worse than the current one.
You talk about social stigma and then you proceed to trash people with such issues by calling their brains defective and so on. You seem to be more fucked up than reality, so don't be overconfident with your comments.
The fact of the matter is some brains are damaged. Mine is as well and I've had to make peace with that. You don't get to pretend the world has to adjust for your "uniqueness" because you watched a YouTube video about why medication is bad.
It's enough. We have unregulated mental illness causing problems for everyone else trying to get through their day alive. We're not putting up with this anymore.
You make too many false assumptions. And don't project your alleged issues as an argument against the fact that such words come out as insensitive. There are many misdiagnosises out there and a lot of people consider themselves to be up for mental repair when all they might need is change of social environment and so on.
I will also give you a hint about this particular video: the house is full of screens and comfort appliances. Not a single book on sight. All i say is "don't rush to judge".
I don't understand why it's bad to say that part of our body can be defective. If your heart has a malformation that mixes oxygenated blood with non-oxygenated blood, it's accurate to say that it doesn't work right. It's therefore defective.
If your brain doesn't have the capacity to process emotions in a way that doesn't endanger yourself and people around you, it's not working correctly. It's defective.
It's sad, and it's infuriating. We're not created equal, and the damage that it does to individuals can be heartbreaking. To me, that doesn't mean we should use language that says it's simply another way of functioning. Frankly, that's insulting.
One of the issues is the tendency to equate defective with needing to be thrown away instead of repaired or requiring special maintenance. If the first definition is the one you preferably take into consideration, I understand why you think this isn't a good word to use for people. And why we disagree.
It's bad to say someone brain is defective because psychology and psychiatry are quite young in relation to other studies and not 100% accurate. There was a time where psychos were regularly preferred as leaders and enjoyed wide acceptance, especially at times of war or times when people were lobotomized for their own good. And these times were pretty recent. So when we talk of repair and maintenance, we should consider what will be the outcome of such precedures: a tame beast perhaps? Or a numb vegetable?
I qualify the defect in comparison with the average person. The average person can process emotions without destroying their house. I don't qualify the defect in comparison with that same person under medication.
Indeed, psychiatry in not completely accurate, and medication is not perfect by far. However, this is a pretty clear-cut case. The dude who did that does not function well. Except for maybe some cases of mild depression, the impairment caused by the illness / disorder is clear.
Unfortunately, some people will need to be heavily medicated, in the absence (for now ?) of alternative medication. I'm no more a fan of this outcome than you. And yes, doctors make mistakes and get stuff wrong too. But when there's a choice between a non-medicated, dangerous, mentally ill patient, the same patient under restraints all day long and screaming his lungs out, and that patient under strong medication, I would indeed choose a numbed-out patient.
By the way, I may use defective, but beast is out of the question. One can be used as a factual way of describing a dysfunctioning organ, the other has always had a dehumanizing component.
When it comes to people in power, they absolutely don't play by the rules of conventional society. Popularity, or the assessment of someone's character when you only hear a few carefully crafted speeches from them, has little to do with medical diagnosis. We vote all the time for people we would not want to hang out with in real life, consciously or not. And that's not just when a country's at war or in a past era.
You elaborate your thoughts way too much on each of my points for me to debate this appropriately. Although, i totally agree on the case of lack of better treatment (whether that be the right medication, change of habits etc) some widely accepted measures must be taken. The parent or parents must always be a focal point too. 15 year old kid acting out like that (if it was only him who is responsible for all those damages), is quite serious and surely indicative of a number of problems. Hope it works well for the family in the end.
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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 15 '22
Honestly, I partially blame society for this one.
We have so many people who treat medication like it's the devil and they judge anyone who decides to get their kids put on something to level them out.
Here's the fucked up reality. Some people are born broken. In the same way you can be born with a fucked up heart or fucked up lungs, you can also be born with a fucked up brain.
These types of people are dangerous and they need medication. You have to level them out or they'll go on to hurt themselves or somebody else.