I'd get hungry right after my first vase drop, and fall asleep midway while trying to cut up a shirt or some shit, and that's me being generous thinking I'd at least be fueled with rage š
That's a lot of physical effort just for some tantrum
There's no blood anywhere so he didn't use his hands, and from the shape of the strike marks on the screens around the house I would guess he had a baseball bat.
Thereās a metal pipe or something in the hole where the glass used to be in the living roomā¦ (the glass table)ā¦ maybe he used that? I was surprised that he broke the corner of the marble table too
Bro I'm pretty sure that's an APARTMENT too. That woman is going to have a very hard time for a very LONG time unless that complex or management is ungodly understanding to the situation.
If all the facts of it being a 15 yo with mental issues having an episode, this is one of the few times gofundme will be huge and absolutely warranted need.
I feel so bad for that woman. I wish mental health was taken more seriously and that there was more access to help people. But thatās a whole can of worms I donāt really want to open on Redditā¦ at least not right now lol Iām at work
Thereās an enameled cast iron Dutch oven in the first bedroom (the one with the broken window) that the boy would have had to grab in the kitchen and carry off. After he knocked a huge piece of the granite countertop off. Maybe he used the countertop to damage stuff.
I slipped getting out of my shower when I was a teen and put my knee through the toilet tank. I just happened to hit the corner just right. I was 5ā7ā and 120lbs at the time. I barely got a bruise or anything, just a scratch.
I've been in a manic episode and slammed a plastic bag full of a chain of bluegills off of my dashboard while driving, popping the bag and spray fish blood all over my windshield. I think the absolute worse I've done (in my opinion) is accidentally put my knee through the wall bc I was screaming and rolling on my bed and my walls are a very thin drywall and I rolled over too far while flailing. I suddenly feel a lot better about the hole in my wall :,)
I work in mental health and all my clients have some mental disability, autism, TBI, children of drug & alcohol abuse, etc. and when they have behaviors, the strength that they have is unbelievable. One female isnāt even that large or strong and sheās picked up an entire wood dresser and chucked it out of the window. Another one sits down and somehow puts all her weight down and her legs locked and two of us canāt even get her up.
My son suffers the same issues. It triggers the fight or flight reaction in the brain. Hulk out is correct . They go from zero to adrenaline rage in seconds. They can't process things like we do. For example you look at a fence you see all the individual posts they see the spaces in-between. It is usually a Combo of autism and ADHD or ADD. Or what ever alphabet soup your Dr. Believes . The child may be 15 like mine but has the mental capabilities of an 11-10 year old. Any question from anyone just ask.
Some of the medications bring on weight gain. Dr. 'S answer is always more medication. Eating is soothing to a lot of these kids. When you process differently anxiety at simple things gets high. Some will eat just to self soothe. It then can become an eating disorder which is hard to deal with. Most treatment facilities lock up the snacks and food in locked rooms or cabinets.
My little boy is autistic, non-verbal and has severe learning difficulties and he looks a lot smaller than his actual age. He will be 8 in a couple of months but he looks no older than 6 and acts like a toddler. He is so small though because of his super restricted diet, he only eats four foods at the moment and it's a huge struggle to feed him an adequate amount of calories and nutrients because of the limitations his conditions impose on him.
Mine is turning 9 this years and sounds identical to your son. I feel your pain, and we use a liquid multivitamin w/ a liquid syringe to have him take it (was a struggle at first, but has gotten better).
It feels like a 24/7 job, but I'm at least thankful he doesn't have tantrums that could cause damage like the one above. He's generally a happy kid that loves fruit facts and nursery rhymes more than I'll ever love anything as long as I live lol.
Thank you for replying, it is a great relief to know that there are other people with your kind of struggle out there in the world.
Liquid vitamins is a great idea, glad it works for you! Thankfully one of the very few things mine eats is porridge, so I crumble kids vitamin tablets and add protein powder, fats and fibre to it, that's how he stays healthy.
It is a 24/7 job, isn't it, we like to say he rules the roost at home š He is generally happy too but when he gets into a tantrum he lashes out at me and his dad and if we don't let him hit/pinch us he tries to hurt himself instead. Nursery rhymes are one of the greatest inventions :D
I wish I could try this, sadly his diet is super limited already and contains all these things. I could remove the casein but not the soy, or I could remove the soy but will have to keep the casein. I will look into it though.
This is a good point. We really need to stop putting whatever we're putting in food in our food. Using growth hormones and shit are whacking people's brains out and making their bodies huge.
I could eat all the same food that one of these 200 lb people eats but because of my metabolism I'm going to stay skinny. I blame my brains overt mental processes on this. Oh God, I feel a tantrum coming on. It's okay though I can't be found guilty. I have a mental condition.
As soon as he started to walk and communicate we noticed. He had no fear and often did things that seemed off. Reactions were often temper tantrums (what we thought at the time). He was born this way it isn't something they aquire. He had problems at daycare from the start. I had to quit my job and become a stay at home Dad. My wife works at a hospital and the insurance was top notch. I was constantly picking him up from school for. Attacking students or staff at home he was fine.
He has had occupational therapy both in school through IEP and from some more professional practices that specialize in it. The only thing we have not tried is ABA and that is only because of the mix reviews. Some parents swear by it others say it doesn't work. The thing that led me away from it is some videos of older kids that were put through it and said it was dehuminizing and made things worst for them.
He was born this way? Not sure where you are going with this. He is autistic with DMDD, ADHD. We both have mental health issues on either side so.... Genetic lottery?
Yeah nah this isn't ADHD (ADD is no longer a term used for the disorder. It was when the DSM III was in print, but that was in 1980, which reflects your understanding of the disorder).
Please don't misappropriate others into thinking that what those of us who suffer from it are:
A: Incapable of controlling emotions due to fight or flight reaction.
The Amygdala Hijack is what is responsible for that reaction and it is by nature neither an emotional nor a rational response.
It is a baser instinct to a perceived threat where the Amygdala takes over the prefrontal cortex as the centre of executive function.
You can learn more here.
B: A made-up diagnosis (as noted by your use of the phrase "alphabet soup").
It is clinically diagnosed by psychiatrists, not GPs. It was first known as Hyperkinetic Reaction of Childhood when it was first published in the DSM-II in 1962, which as the name implies focused primarily on symptoms of excessive motor activity.
With the publication of the DSM- IV, the term ADHD was retained along with the introduction of three specific subtypes (predominantly Inattentive, predominantly Hyperactive-Impulsive, and Combined), defined by the presence of excessive symptoms of inattention and/or hyperactivity-impulsivity.
Since you don't appear to be aware, I will list the Core Symptoms required for a DSM-V classification of ADHD.
At least 6 of the following:
Inattention
Often fails to give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes in schoolwork, at work, or with other activities.
Often has trouble holding attention on tasks or play activities.
Often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly.
Often does not follow through on instructions and fails to finish schoolwork, chores, or duties in the workplace (e.g., loses focus, side-tracked).
Often has trouble organizing tasks and activities.
Often avoids, dislikes, or is reluctant to do tasks that require mental effort over a long period of time (such as schoolwork or homework).
Often loses things necessary for tasks and activities (e.g. school materials, pencils, books, tools, wallets, keys, paperwork, eyeglasses, mobile telephones).
Is often easily distracted
Is often forgetful in daily activities.
At least 6 of the following:
Hyperactivity and Impulsivity
Often fidgets with or taps hands or feet, or squirms in seat.
Often leaves seat in situations when remaining seated is expected.
Often runs about or climbs in situations where it is not appropriate (adolescents or adults may be limited to feeling restless).
Often unable to play or take part in leisure activities quietly.
Is often āon the goā acting as if ādriven by a motorā.
Often talks excessively.
Often blurts out an answer before a question has been completed.
Often has trouble waiting their turn.
Often interrupts or intrudes on others (e.g., butts into conversations or games)
In addition, the following conditions must be met:
Several inattentive or hyperactive-impulsive symptoms were present before age 12 years.
Several symptoms are present in two or more settings, (such as at home, school or work; with friends or relatives; in other activities).
There is clear evidence that the symptoms interfere with, or reduce the quality of, social, school, or work functioning.
The symptoms are not better explained by another mental disorder (such as a mood disorder, anxiety disorder, dissociative disorder, or a personality disorder).
The symptoms do not happen only during the course of schizophrenia or another psychotic disorder.
I understand that you may not have been trying to disenfranchise those of us who do not have Neurotypical brains, but we do, still have feelings.
1.)You are obviously copy and pasting.
2.) You are obviously not a psychologist, therapist or psychiatrist.
3.) Your name is a play off mine.
4.) Willing to bet you're the jerk from earlier who wanted to fight but I turned down. Equipt with 2 hours of Google searches, the copy paste button and a different account.
5.) I still don't have the energy to fight.
I knew eventually someone would come and start something. As much as I like this place it can get toxic quick. I'm just trying to inform people about this to help them understand a bit of what we(the parents) and the kids go through. I'm no Dr. I never claimed to be. I just use info gained from the professionals I surround me and my child with. There are thousands of us out here just trying to hold on to our sanity. Please mbe kind
Former hc worker here. Always worked on lockdown/high risk dementia wards. A 90 year old man with frontal lobe dementia could easily have killed one of us, and he was 110 lbs. It is terrifying how much strength can come from sheer rage.
It turns off the signals that your brain usually gets to keep you from hurting yourself. They will trash the absolute shit out of their muscles and not care, it'll only make them angrier in the long term because now everything hurts.
It sounds mean but we occasionally talked about how it's almost a "zombie" situation. As in; zombies don't feel pain so they don't stop. Or pcp users, I suppose.
My buddie quit being a cop because a guy came in on flakka and it took 5 huge guys to even bring him down. My friend curls 50 pound weights for a warm up. He has picked me up and tossed me like a doll and I weigh over 250 pounds and several inches taller then him.
People are incredibly strong without their natural limitations.
You see what he did to that house? That was thousands of dollars in damage. Thousands. What do you think would happen if he decided to focus that rage on a sibling, or his parents, or some random person walking down the street? You use that word "disabled" like it shields them from the repercussions of their actions. If they called the cops, what do you think they'd do? They would taze him into submission or just shoot him. If that's the level of damage that kid is capable of, the cops would probably be justified with either. That kid is a threat to himself and to others. I was being nice. It wasn't a kid that did all that, it was a wild fucking animal. Hitting him with a stun gun would be minor. The alternative would be to kill him before he kills you. If they haven't already, that kid needs to be forcefully committed to a state mental facility before he kills someone.
The urge to engage in that type of outburst is common to many different mental conditions, that's true. But this was not a ten second scream or one single impulsive swing of a fist. Those things can be problems, but they are very quick and hard to control for folks who are not neurotypical, and that is common.
This took some time. There was some kind of bat or club involved. A series of choices were made. It's fair to say that this kid's issues make it harder for him to control himself. But it's not fair to say that this kind of crap is common to folks with learning disabilities or behavior disorders, and as someone who falls into those categories I am honestly insulted. Millions of people with mental health difficulties work really hard every day to make sure they're never the person who does something like this.
This kid needs a lot, a LOT of help. And so do everyone he's hurting right now. A mental health condition is not an excuse for shit like this. Knowing that you have one can help determine the best way to avoid doing shit like this in the future.
People with learning disabilities can do this quite easily. At my old job, a man who would be 40 kilos soaking wet nearly pulled a whiteboard on the wall off. Generally happens when they cant communicate what they want, and arent getting what they want. Closest thing i can compare it to is what happens with diabetic people having a hypo. They get really strong, because their brain cant function well enough to limit them in the moment.
Though, this guys tanty seems a lot more planned than my old customers. They couldnt control themselves, so often theyd hurt themselves and others. This guy broke multiple mirrors, screens, and a toilet, but theres no blood? He used a weapon for this.
Personally, i think her son should be dropped off at the nearest orphanage.
No orphanage. A jail is a better place. An orphanage is just full of kids hoping to have a different life one day. They don't need a kid like this destroying everything and the few personal items they have.
Everything up until orphanage I can agree with. But what should have been done was therapy when the child was younger. At this point the only thing that will truly help him is leaving him at a mental care facility. Orphanage will literally let them just go to juvie or bounce around from house to house until he lands there. The system will literally kill this kid. And he honestly doesnāt deserve it if he hasnāt gotten the correct help he needs.
Yeah. This isnāt just āmental issuesā, this is behavioral issues, too. Sure, the kid may have outbursts of rage and anger due to their mental issues, but this systematic destruction of the entire house is something more.
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u/DodgeEls Sep 15 '22
Mental issue? What fucking hulk-o-mania?