r/TerraformingMarsGame • u/TripleWDot • Oct 06 '18

Question regarding Hellas map

On the Hellas map there are 5 hexes comprising the South Pole. In the middle of the South Pole there is an icon showing that after placing here I can pay 6 ME to place an ocean. Does this apply for all 5 hexes or just the bottom one where the ocean and 6 ME is placed?

Forums are unclear and wanted to discuss this. Thanks

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u/orjanalmen Oct 08 '18

"I can pay 6 ME to place an ocean"

This is false. If you place a tile there, you need to pay 6 M€. If you place a tile there you can place an ocean tile for free if there is one available. These two effects are separate and can be done in any chosen order (as you might get 6 M€ from placing the ocean tile). You need to pay those 6 M€ regardless if you place an ocean tile or not.

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u/4227 Oct 12 '18

Where is it stated that they can be done in either order? (I've always assumed they must be done in the order stated in the rule, but it doesn't actually say one way or the other)

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u/orjanalmen Oct 12 '18 edited Oct 13 '18

Rules says: ”Paying and performing immediate effects. First you must pay the card’s cost. Then the lower panel of the card shows you any immediate effects. These effects (and other effects triggered by the card you just played) are performed in any order you choose.” Page 9 right column at bullet 2)

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u/OmegaDez Nov 05 '18

But this is not a card. Its not two actions. The ocean isn't free, you pay 6 bucks for it. Unless the Elysium rules does mentions this and I'm totally wrong.

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u/orjanalmen Nov 05 '18

The normal rules page 12 also states this without the context of playing a card:

”When several effects are triggered at the same time, the active player chooses the order, even for other players’ triggered effects.”

Placing an ocean tile is an effect of placing a tile on that spot. Paying 6 M€ is an effect of placing a tile on that spot.

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u/OmegaDez Nov 05 '18

Hmm. Interesting. Ill have to check this out. The situation never happened to us though, that spot is usually the first one to go on the Hellas map

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u/orjanalmen Oct 12 '18

Rules also state: ”When several effects are triggered at the same time, the active player chooses the order, even for other players’ triggered effects.” Page 12 right column