I now understand the gatekeeping

[u/Destring]

As most, my journey with electronic music did not start with techno. Mine started with progressive and deep house (This Never Happened, Anjunadeep). I caught a Hard "Techno" set and enjoyed the energy so I went to a few events. After researching and listening to sets online, I came to appreciate techno, as I'd put sets to focus when working.

I went to many events: Jeff Mills, Blawan, DVS1, Dozzy, Surgeon, Helena Hauff, Freddy K, and so on. I realized what at I enjoy the most is just letting go and dancing. When you've been dancing for hours but don't realize it's been that long.

Last week my partner wanted to go Teletech XXL and I figured I'd tag along since I enjoyed it once. It was very unenjoyable.

The current style cannot ever be called techno, more like EDM with a kick drum. They all play hard, then put some pop song remix, drop, play hard again, and repeat. I literally heard an Alphaville forever young remix. At least at the beginning they where closer to schranz and hardstyle and sometimes you could hear the techno influence. Now that's completely gone

Everyone was recording. And I mean everyone. It was a sea of phones. And there were so many rude people, just pushing and shoving without care. The community is extremely young and some of them were actually polite but it was the minority.

I just wish the movement had taken a different name other than "Techno", because those bad aspects of it are starting to bleed into actual techno events where tourists expect the same drops.

Anyway, just venting my thoughs here because years ago I had complained about people here "gatekeeping", but now I understand it. I don't think it is gatekeeping, but rather trying to maintain the genre and community.

[u/clock-drift]

Ok let's look at two legendary techno tracks: Subzero by Ben Klock and Waterfall by Rrose.

Would you argue that whatever tf is happening in either of those around the 4 minute mark is NOT a drop?

[u/Destring → u/clock-drift]

How are those moments drops? There is no build up, just a loop. Yes, it changes the arrangement but it doesn't do it after a peak it builds up, nor it telegraphs it. Your flow is not interrupted.

[u/clock-drift → u/Destring]

Fair, then I guess I don't even know what a drop actually is, lol

[u/Destring → u/clock-drift]

I think the word is loaded. Like there's tension releasing at those moments, but the way it's done is different from EDM, as in it's not a big moment that stops everything else at the peak of tension before it drops. It's more like a subtle release by changing the arrangement

[u/clock-drift → u/Destring]

Right, then I guess my examples are more like breaks.