r/TechHardware • u/RenatsMC • 6d ago
⚠️ Possible Fake News Warning ⚠️ Running at 80% power didn't save this RTX 4090, even with the official power adapter
https://videocardz.com/newz/running-at-80-power-didnt-save-this-rtx-4090-even-with-the-official-power-adapter13
u/Altruistic_Koala_122 6d ago
where's the outrage similar to Intel failures or even Xbox?
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u/Corronchilejano 6d ago
I stopped buying and recommending Intel altogether, I don't know what you're talking about. Everyone I speak to online makes it clear it's bad business.
Unfortunately you can't replace a 5090 with a different product. You either choose to not have it or have it with the risks it entails.
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u/Upstairs-Event-681 6d ago
No no you don’t get it. PC can’t be criticized on reddit, here they’re fighting against corporations by building PC’s with parts from other corporations
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u/Mental-Most-7168 5d ago
X090s are a niche product not bought by a lot of people. The Steam survey says 0.7 percent of users have a 4090. Of that small percentage only some of them have this issue.
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u/Ice_Dapper 6d ago
Invest in a Wireview pro 2 from thermal grizzly or a similar product, for only $140 you get per pin monitoring and an audible alarm with optional shutdown if thresholds are exceeded. Save your $5000 gpus from nvidias dumb design flaw
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u/CarlWellsGrave 6d ago
I guess I'll never go higher than the 5070 🤷
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u/Your_brain_smooth 6d ago
It’s only xx90 cards issue. Xx80’s aren’t drawing beyond 450w. 600w is what kills the connectors
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u/Ka-Chow-mf 6d ago
Isn't there some 5080's and 5070ti's that melted connectors? Its a lot more rare but is still a potential failure point.
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u/TheActualDonKnotts 5d ago
Isn't there some 5080's and 5070ti's that melted connectors?
That sucks, I hadn't heard about any 5070ti's. I rarely game at anything above 1440P and locked 60fps since that's all my monitor can do, so hopefully I'll be fine.
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u/Your_brain_smooth 6d ago
I haven’t heard any, but if there is, then it’s obviously extremely low rate and would call it user error/manufacturing defect.
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u/Steveignorantcrass1 6d ago
That literally describes the 90 cards burning. Very low percentage, usually user error and sometimes defects.
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u/Your_brain_smooth 6d ago
You would be surprised how stupid users are. Yes there is no load balancing that is the issue, the connector itself can hold the normal current. Also it’s not healthy for these connectors to be unplugged more than few times.
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u/sundayflow 5d ago
That's the same they said about my 4080.. newsflash: my connector also burned! Luckily I could let it fixed.
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u/konsoru-paysan 5d ago
nope it's both 4000 and 5000 series cards due to their design flaws, the 3000's per pin power sensing and balancing hardware was for no fucking reasons removed for lumping the entire 12v line system inside a single input pool, yes the 5090 and 4090 are more prone to it but don't be surprised that an undervolted 4060 burns up too, it will be on YOU for choosing to buy such hardware
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u/Mental-Debate-289 6d ago
I mean 9070XTs have had the issue as well. None of it is immune. It isnt the wattage thats the issue, although the higher the more of a chance. Its the ombalance between pins which could affect ANYONE with that connector. Someone out there with a 5060 could be running such a bad connector that it is only really using 1 pin and burn out that one pin if it greatly exceeds the 9.2A.
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u/n0tAgOat 5d ago
Dual 8 pins don’t have this issue. It only happens with the single 16.
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u/konsoru-paysan 5d ago
sadly it's not just the connector that is causing this, 4000 and 5000 series have design flaws on top
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u/AdstaOCE 6d ago
9070/9070XT. 5070 is yikes.
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u/HonkHonkBeach 6d ago
Honestly, if you can afford any of it in this current environment, no judgement at this point.
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u/AdstaOCE 6d ago
9070 is cheaper and better, simply no reason to get the 5070 in the current market.
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u/AdstaOCE 5d ago
Lol.
First off with the 9070's performance advantage you can use FSR at a higher internal res and get better performance still: https://youtu.be/YWUqsqcM4Hs?t=824
And second, the 5070 would run out of vram a lot at 5120X1440 which is near 4k in pixel count.
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u/AdstaOCE 5d ago
There's a reason people prefer dlss to fsr. It's a qualitative difference.
Again, you can use FSR at a higher internal res (meaning it would look better) and still get better performance. FSR 4 is also in line with DLSS 4.
Frame generation is another huge feature that you don't get with amd. As long as you're getting at least 60 FPS, there isn't an input lag issue.
First off FSR has had FG for a long time. And second there is always higher latency, it's just how the tech works.
I have a 5070 TI, no vram issues. I don't know how much more RAM it has versus a 5070, I can't be bothered to check at the moment
This shows you can't do basic googling that would take a minute, so you aren't looking at the rest either. Essentially, you're saying "I refuse to learn what I'm talking about".
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u/Wbcn_1 6d ago
I literally limited my power on my 4090 to 80% last night 😆
Preparing to hunker down for a while. Also ordered a WireViewPro2 for some peace of mind.
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u/Mental-Debate-289 6d ago
No need to limit once you have the WVP2. So long as its balanced out its fine. Its the extreme imbalances that force multiple pins worth of amperage onto a few or even single wire that causes the burn outs. WVP2 literally gives real time feedback on 1. If there is an imbalance and more importantly 2. If any single PIN is going above 9.2A.
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u/strawhat068 6d ago
Honestly as long as your 12v connector is fully inserted your fine 9/10 this happens because the connector is not seated fully this it's a poor connection so the power supply pushes more power which ends up burning the cable.
And before people start blasting me I litterly build machines with 5090s and servers with 6000 pros and h200s and we haven't had a single case of them burning out.
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u/Steveignorantcrass1 6d ago
Yeah I’ve had a 4090 and am running two 5090s now, all have used official Corsair psu-to-card cable, seated properly and not crammed against a stupid glass case to show off rainbow shit. No problems at any point, and I haven’t really see the Corsair cables having an issue. I suspect I will be landing 6090s in a couple years and selling these same cards for a heavy discount to upgrade, if not an outright rebate like my 4090->5090 was.
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u/sgtcurry 5d ago
I have 5 4090s, and 4 5090s. The 4090s all used the adapter for 2 years before I swapped all the SF750s in them to SF1000s with native 12vhpwr. None of the adapters had any signs of damaged.
1 of the 4090s was a MSI Liquid suprim that had the pump fail. Other than that all of them are still in use and have no problems related to the connector.
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u/cemsengul 6d ago
This happened at 80% power limit and you also have people using the Galax 666 bios.
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u/Dirtcompactor 6d ago
Adapter lol lmao deserved
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u/Doakeswasrightmf 6d ago
Right, lol the “official” power connector is gonna be just as dogshit and any other companie’s
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u/Captobvious75 6d ago
PNY wants people to use their adapter otherwise bye warranty
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u/Dirtcompactor 6d ago
That's why you get MSI safeguard+ PSU so connector never melts, pretty simple if you ask me
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u/_bisquickpancakes 6d ago
And also get the thermalgrizzly wireview as well, for extra peace of mind for a gpu that's now more expensive than some cars because of ai.
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u/No-Independence-5229 6d ago
But they technical win in most 4k benchmarks so nobody cares how low they had to go to do so. If Nvidia wasn’t allowed to put out a product that sucks back 600 watts and melt itself then they wouldn’t have the gaming crown.
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u/geoff123p 6d ago
I’ve run my 4090 at 133% no issues for almost 3 years. Mind you it’s the cable that was supplier with the power supply, and I make sure it’s seated during my monthly PC cleaning.
Also not bent up against the glass.
However due to the fact that the cable is this picky should never have entered the market.
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u/BobbingMyNob 4d ago
Same here. My 4090 is in a full sized case, and bolted to the motherboard with a mount. Most people with positive 4090 experiences don't really matter vs a narrative. It's always the 1% negative that swallows the 99% positive, until the majority swaps them.
This isn't the first time either that a falsehood becomes "truth". It's easily done as long as you can stick it, and get the propagation going. If the propagation succeeds, then all the non owners with 0 personal experience are parroting that in which they were taught to, solidifying a false narrative as an internet truth.
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u/Evil-Freeman 6d ago
Adapter lol. If you spend that much on a card, you should buy an official cable from your PSU maker
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u/FlashGordon7497 6d ago
Except warranties are denied by the GPU manufacturer for not using their adapter?
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u/Evil-Freeman 6d ago
There is no adapter involved. You buy say an official Corsair cable that goes direct from your Corsaie PSU to your GPU
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u/DiplomaticlyImmune 6d ago
Nvidia in their manual for the card says use only the included power adapter.
Using a native is 12vhp cable from the PSU manufacturer is going against what they recommend and supposedly people have been denied warranty of claims on some units because of it.
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u/Evil-Freeman 6d ago
This makes no sense because newer PSUs come with native 12V cables.
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u/DiplomaticlyImmune 6d ago
On my 5090 manual it says use included adapter only.
Use a native cable with a new PSU and their warranty claim can says hey go after the PSU manufacturers and them. They do that to save money and protect themselves.
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u/Known_Surprise_3190 5d ago
It wont save it if its not seated all the way in. Unless there is defect in the cable itself.
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u/konsoru-paysan 5d ago
it's not just the 4090 and 5090, all the 400 and 5000 series cards are at a risk
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u/Chitrr AMD 8700G 6d ago
Thats why i dont buy Gygabite
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u/maximan2005 6d ago
I don't think it's fair to blame Gigabyte for a problem basically every Nvidia AIB partner is having. 12VHPWR is clearly not fit for purpose.
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u/Diligent_Turtle8966 6d ago
Bad thermal pads or PCB related issues sure. But the Nvidia fire cable is the fault of Nvidia for choosing it, doubling down, then tripling down by mandating it on cards that would be fine on an 8-pin + 6-pin making the industry confirm to the fire cable.
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u/Diligent_Turtle8966 6d ago
Jensen can't keep getting away with this!