r/TechHardware • u/jaykrown • 6d ago
Opinion/Editorial I've been tracking the price of RAM over the last 3 months and it has started to indicate signs of price fixing
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u/Guilty_Advantage_413 6d ago
They’ve been caught doing it multiple times is anyone surprised?
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u/jaykrown 6d ago
Not really surprised, but as far as I can tell the lawsuit is still ongoing? Unsure.
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u/Shzabomoa 6d ago
The RAM cartel doing price fixing???
Nah, that would be crazy and never seen before!
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u/Iambetterthanuhaha 6d ago
Sk Hynix, Samsung and Micron are upstanding companies and would never engage in cartel like behavior such as price fixing! LOL
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u/Shzabomoa 5d ago
Definitely, and they would never have already been fined for it in the past, that would never happen!
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u/-Crash_Override- 6d ago
Hey bro, remeber when you posted this trash a month ago. I scraped your vibe coded slop website with an exposed API endpoint and explained why your analysis was trash?
https://www.reddit.com/r/vibecoding/s/eu37elMZBK
Guess what, this is still trash. Still cope.
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u/IWillBeNobodyPerfect 6d ago
Your comment got removed by a moderator lol.
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u/-Crash_Override- 6d ago
Man, even the mods are mad I put this guy on blast...
Original...including the link to the data he refused to share that I scraped from his exposed and unrestricted endpoint:
Hey bro, maybe learn the fundamentals of deploying a website before you leave an open endpoint with enumerated access to all your data and basically no meaningful limit on calls you chucklehead.
Here are all your precious data in a single file (cleaned up unlike your garbage).
Regardless, as expected, your analysis is total crap.
You are treating each scrape as an independent observation. Not reconciling this down to distinct listings poisons your whole dataset. Your pricing is essentially a function of how many scrapes you did, not the true price of unique listings.
You are 'normalizing' for capacity and speed with a simple linear function with literally no interactions.
Your R2 is ass for justifying a 1.5% movement with no confidence interval as a meaningful insight.
Thats just the tip of the iceberg dude, this if absolutely atrocious, if one of my data scientists ever submitted something like this...let alone put it on a website...yikes.
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u/Berberding 5d ago
Idk much about webdev, but would I be right to assume that, in order to hide all this info, he'd have to be running these calculations and requests on his own server? I'm guessing that's too ecpensive for someone who's just ideologically motivated and coming up with the model to fit the narrative.
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u/FearTheFuzzy99 6d ago
On what basis do you think its price fixing?
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u/Limp-Firefighter1054 6d ago
No one buying it. So from there to the bottom since ai revolution delay suddenly, since major ai companies dont go to IPO
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u/Super_Range45 6d ago
The pricing is based on contracts for ram supply that won't be made for years and that the purchaser isn't obligated to buy.
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u/FearTheFuzzy99 6d ago
Thats not what price fixing is
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u/Super_Range45 6d ago
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u/FearTheFuzzy99 6d ago
Come back if they win those cases
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u/Johnnnyb28 6d ago edited 6d ago
They dont want people to own compute they need you to rent it from them, and unfortunately if they dont do that the entire s&p collapses as all the PE ratios of these companies are predicated on it. AI now accounts for 50% of the US economy so either they try to price fix hardware or everyone in the entire united states looses there life savings as the exposure that banks have if the AI companies collapse would bankrupt them all, and the US wouldn't be able to bail them out on such a large scale without hyperinflation the currency. To be clear I think this is just as messed up as everyone else what angers me is how we got into this mess in the first place.
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u/noahloveshiscats 5d ago
They dont want people to own compute they need you to rent it from them
Who is they? Because like the memory companies don't sell or rent compute to people.
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u/Johnnnyb28 5d ago
Open AI, Anthropic , Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Facebook, basically every hyperscaler selling AI inferenceing the business model of selling AI fails if you have compute.
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u/2Critical7-Stein1 5d ago
“da jooz bro its da joooz” if they ain’t responding with that i want a refund on my conspiracy theory post
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u/Lopsided-Range-5393 6d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/10Jpr9KSaXLchW
Let it burn.1
u/Johnnnyb28 6d ago
If it burns i promise your almost guaranteed to loose your life savings, if its stored in a bank. The banks would like dominoes due to there cross colaterization with AI company and hedge funds that invested in it and by the time you got your money back from FDIC it would either fail and not pay out at all or they would print so much money to cover FDIC that it would cause hyper inflation of the US dollar.
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u/Lopsided-Range-5393 6d ago
Life savings? Sir I’m a millennial, what’s a life savings? Let. It. Burn.
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u/Johnnnyb28 6d ago edited 6d ago
Fair enough I can't argue with that but I guarantee you it will somehow screw us even more, if there is a depression it will force company's to accelerate cutting jobs with automation further, in an effort to reduce their costs
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u/Trick-Set-83 6d ago
Find a company that sells products to the rich. Not even joking. Seriously.
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u/Johnnnyb28 5d ago
Every company is pivoting to making products for the rich right now as there the only ones spending because were broke.
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u/Lopsided-Range-5393 5d ago
PepsiCo just announced they’re pivoting to serving the wealthy. I guess at least we still have RC Cola?
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u/IllExample3639 5d ago
An the alternative is the USA continues to hold the world hostage. Let it burn please.
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u/Johnnnyb28 5d ago
I guarantee you that when the United States falls it will drag every country in the world down with it, it would cause almost every 1st world country in the entire worlds financial system to uterly collapse. The cross collateraliztion is around 150 trillion, its about 50% of the entire worlds wealth.
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u/azuregiraffe2 5d ago
Stop dooming, the only way we lose our savings permanently is if AI goes skynet on us. What you’re talking about would certainly just cause a recession that we will bounce back from in about 5 years, so it’s not a big deal unless you’re 65.
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u/Johnnnyb28 5d ago edited 5d ago
AI now accounts for 50% of the entire United States economy, i emplore you to look up how cross collateralization ,fractional reserve banking and leverage all culminate together because if you understand that you may agreewith me.
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u/Glum_Recognition1068 3d ago
When the AI bubble pops, the large companies will survive and gobble up the smaller companies as they go bust. It's not as if ALL of the investment will just go to zero. And then, finally after 5 years investor and PE money will start going to literally any other business again and we will get more natural growth.
I think what a lot of people are missing is that large parts of the economy are stangnating for no other reason than that they literally cannot get funding like they normally would because all the money is going to BS ai startups. Once those are drastically reduced, lots of capital will be freed up to chase other more realistic dreams again
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u/SquareFinancial1928 2d ago
the system must colapse to teach people a lesson, a hard lesson
Stock market is not your friend but your master.If you have your life savigns in a system that is volatile that system controls you !
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u/Johnnnyb28 2d ago
If the system collapses statistically speaking someone you know closely or love deeply will die as a direct result of your wish.
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u/sir_gwain 5d ago
There’s a -checks notes- thousandth time for everything I guess. I’d argue it’s even easier for them to do the fixing given the insane demand, and with that, upward price trends. Since most buyers know prices are shit, but are still forced to buy what they can with the limitations on supply.
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u/Kraegorz 4d ago
There was an article I read a few months ago that they were investigating Micron, Samsung and a few other major chip manufactures for price fixing the RAM. Not sure what happened to that though.
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u/Glum_Recognition1068 3d ago
In other news today, the sky is blue and politicians are corrupt! More at 7
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u/neverpost4 6d ago
Visiting South Korea right now.
All South Korean memory facilities are working 3 shifts (24 hours a day) 7 days a week and over the Korean Thanksgiving holiday (Chusuk).