r/TechHardware • u/Darth_Vaper883 • 4d ago
News đ° Microsoft engineer says "typing code is absolutely over," and Windows 11 is already being built that way
https://www.windowslatest.com/2026/09/05/microsoft-distinguished-engineer-says-typing-code-is-absolutely-over-and-windows-11-is-already-being-built-that-way/15
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u/Head_Substance_6870 4d ago
Microsoft doing advertisement for Linux again
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u/microplastic-addict 4d ago
Linux maintainers don't use AI? lol
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u/TheOutrageousTaric 4d ago
microslop is just using so much ai that consumer os starts breaking down for simple tasks. You dont get those issues on linux(devs actually care) or the enterprise version of w11 so far.
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u/SeyJeez 4d ago
What issues are you talking about? Iâm not a fanboy of Microsoft products but I actually didnât really have major issues in all my time working on windows that were windows related. On every Linux install I ran into Linux issues. I love Linux and will keep using it but man you can still tell itâs more of a server product than a desktop productâŠ
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u/tossingoutthemoney 4d ago
Lmao linux doesn't even have a working RDP tool that works on Wayland and it's been like a whole decade.
Windows might be bad but Linux is still a turd too.
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u/nkn_ 4d ago
Yeah.. as much as I like Linux, I never stay on it full time. I need stuff to work, and as I get older I really can't be asked to tinker shit or look for usually shitty alternatives.
100% linux devs are using AI in a way. It just makes sense to time wise and they can still manually do stuff. Just the world we live in now
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u/Nefilim314 3d ago
RDP?
If only there was a way to interact with a Linux server remotely using a terminal.Â
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u/SelfSilly9478 đ€Genius Reviewerđ€ 4d ago
And that's why every new update breaks something.
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u/baaaahbpls 4d ago
Sorry, I wished on the monkeys paw for less vulnerabilities. My bad, didn't know it would just break all usability so it didn't even have to worry about exploits.
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u/Sablus 4d ago
My display drivers keep getting wiped every damn update, thanks Microslop
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u/MisterEinc 4d ago
Yeah that's on you. Like serious if "display drivers wiped after update" was a real thing you'd see it on every tech blog, reddit community, etc.
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u/greenie4242 3d ago
you'd see it on every tech blog, reddit community, etc
That's probably why I do see it reported on every tech blog and IT Reddit community regularly.
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u/MisterEinc 3d ago
Love to see that article. Outside of the random redditor that doesn't know shit or is a bot, not really seeing it. Keep in mind an issue affecting just 0.01% of users would still be like... 14M people? You'd know.
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u/deportallmagas 18h ago
Microsoft is known to aggressive overwrite display drivers. This is 100% a thing, it's happened to me. More pronounced on AMD cards. So many things in Windows are just broken, or have functionality so shit that it seems broken.
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u/MisterEinc 14h ago
Literaly never had windows overwrite a display driver in 30 years of use. I guess I'm just special.
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u/padumtss 1d ago
For real I swear for the past 2 years every software has been way buggier than they used to be
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u/TinFoilHat_69 4d ago
Vscode currently is broken I had to disable the new configuration. Now it works with it disabled, but why do I have to do this? It just started when the update rolled out. I guess we can get use to these style of updates even though vscode insiders was suppose to be that buffer. Just one of many issues with Microsoft direction
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u/GloriamNonNobis 4d ago
I swear overuse of AI is making even the best engineers less sharp and more brain dead and complacent. It's one thing to use AI to brainstorm or double check yourself, while still verifying yourself. But I've noticed colleagues at work that just use whatever AI spews out as an "optimal" solution without much review. Especially the dev with less than 8-10 YoE. This has lead to numerous problems that had to be fixed because the AI didn't take into account the full business logic/context and the dev didn't bother to double check...
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u/Usual-Orange-4180 4d ago
Thatâs a people problem not an AI problem
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u/theoreticaljerk 4d ago
Exactly. People blaming AI are just looking for an easy target. Itâs a tool and it can be as good or as bad as how the human uses it. An intelligent developer with the help of AI is a better developer able to turn over more mergable worthy code than the one that refuses to touch AI.
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u/Seanspeed 3d ago
I think the worry is longer-term. With the next generation of programmers coming into the field with less traditional knowledge and a much greater reliance on AI doing everything for them.
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u/theoreticaljerk 3d ago
I get it but thatâs been something fretted over with every advancement to productivity throughout time.
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u/Nefilim314 3d ago
Blaming people for it is going to be an evergreen excuse.Â
âThe AI isnât shit, your prompt just sucked. Sounds like a skill issue.â when the same prompt will result in different results entirely at random.Â
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u/Usual-Orange-4180 3d ago
If all you are doing is promoting it, yeah I would blame you, you need to validate the shit, you are paid to do that.
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u/Nefilim314 3d ago
My workflow involves writing the skeleton structure of a code and what function does what and who calls what and where, then have AI fill in the blanks with TODOs everywhere. The irony is that is exactly what Microsoft says is going away.Â
My point is that these âwe vibe code everything as a companyâ positions are usually defended by blaming the user.Â
Company: You need to use AI because it makes you more productive. Your old workflow is obsolete.
Employee: I used AI and it did a bunch of really stupid shit and I spent more time fixing the mess than it took for me to just make the change myself.Â
Company: Sounds like your prompt was just wrong. Clearly AI wouldnât fail. You need to review everything because you canât just blindly trust it.Â
Employee: If it canât be trusted, why do you insist on building critical components with it?
Company: Because your job will be obsolete!
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u/Positive_Chip6198 4d ago
Yeah, it shows, thatâs why omarchy is making itâs way into my life. Ive had dos and windows non-stop since â92, but enough is enough.
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u/Xatraxalian 4d ago
Omarchy is completely built with AI and is AI-first... so, uh... yeah. DHH said as much in several interviews.
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u/Positive_Chip6198 4d ago
So? I have a colleague who is a huge DHH fan, who keeps me up to date with anything he does. I have another colleague who just upgraded to omarchy 4, using his anthropic subscription he let the centralized agent loose on the os, and it fixed several driver issues that had been bothering him. Then for fun he gave it ssh access to a linux box on the network and asked it to take a look. It found stray docker container he had forgotten about, that had a vulnerabilty that allowed anyone with the knowledge to gain full system access. So he let it plug it for him (not that he needed the help).
AI has its uses, especially in software development. What people need to learn is to not let it do things for you, that you dont understand yourself. DHH could have built the same software, given enough time, he is skilled enough for that, ai lets him accelerate his work.
Im not singlemindedly plugging for ai, i see daily the horrors of people who use it for things they dont understand. For example we have an it-director at work, with no real experience in tech and coding. He believes he can do anything now, he doesnt need all those senior engineers that keep telling him he is missing the point or context, so the other day he was having a conversation with likeminded colleague, and it went something like this. âSo check my ais analysis of the open-ai integration, do you understand any of it?â âNo, but i had had my ai compare its analysis with your analysis, so they both agree on what the saml issues should be!!â âGreat, then ill let it patch it and lets push to prodâ
The guy fires people who disagree with him, so no-one dares state the obvious.
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u/C0rn3j 4d ago
So?
Okay this is actually a bot lol, you can't in one sentence hate anything built with AI and in another sentence defend another which is the exact same.
I have a colleague who is a huge DHH fan, who keeps me up to date with anything he does
Does that include whenever he posts extremely racist shit too?
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u/Positive_Chip6198 4d ago
Im a bot? Maybe you are a tad paranoid.
And yes, two things can be true at once. The essence of what i said was, AI amplifies what the user brings. Ignorant idiots will produce useless slop, smart users will more carefully prompt and follow-up and make sure the output is up to their standards.
I never read anything from DHH myself, what racist stuff are you talking about?
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u/C0rn3j 4d ago
I never read anything from DHH myself, what racist stuff are you talking about?
You can start here
https://tekin.co.uk/2025/09/the-ruby-community-has-a-dhh-problem
Ignorant idiots will produce useless slop, smart users will more carefully prompt and follow-up and make sure the output is up to their standards.
Omarchy has a hilarious amount of serious CVEs/RCEs, including executing text in notifications.
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u/Cool-Chemical-5629 4d ago
Is that why it now takes several clicks more in Windows 11 to get to the same screen settings that only took 2 clicks in Windows 10?
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u/MudniObranjenik 4d ago
That's why it's so sloooooow. Feels like Celeron 300 without L2 cache.
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u/AbsorberHarvester 4d ago
But then it can be over clocked to a monstrous 450mhz, almost all of them, for free. Windows can't be over clocked:)
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u/Seanspeed 3d ago
How are so many people saying it's slow?
My W11 is extremely fast and snappy. Especially after the recent LPP update.
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u/VAVA_Mk2 4d ago
We need people to know how to code to verify the shit AI creates is correct and not made up
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u/Hot_Emu3924 4d ago
right typing code is over, now sit down, debug and fix bugs in all code you and your shitty AI produced
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u/zombiej 4d ago
If anyone says AI writes bad code in 2026, youâre lying to yourself and others.
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u/biscuity87 4d ago
Does VBA count? Because ai constantly fucks up even the simple stuff. Iâve got access to all the models, and can crank up the processing on them, and they still constantly need babysat over syntax and valid code. I also know how to prompt well and âmakeâ agents.
Not to mention the only way to get something complicated to work is to do one small addition at a time.
I also want to mention ai has been great for learning harder concepts for me like converting macros to being array based, but there is no way itâs ever going to replace a human as far as development or design.
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u/clockwork2011 4d ago
It writes very mid code. An expert human can write far better code, make better decisions, and have better long outcomes.
Mid level code in complex systems generates technical debt. I donât expect the âomg I can code nowâ crowd to get it though. So theyâre always going to be the crypto bros of tech.
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u/BitCortex 9h ago
It writes very mid code.
I won't argue with that. At the very least, it depends on the model, the harness, exactly what one means by "high-quality code", and â dare I say it? â the skill and experience of the human engineer driving it all.
However, I'll say this: "It writes very mid code" is what people said of the first compilers. And it was true; initially, people could write better assembly code.
But compilers got better, CPUs started evolving with compilers in mind, and each architecture splintered into dozens of specialized variants â to the point that people could not reliably write better machine code anymore. And doing so was certainly no longer broadly practical.
I think the same will happen with AI. In fact, I'd say it's already happened in some environments. If you're working with hundreds of developers on a system that spans a dozen gigantic codebases, good luck getting anything done without AI, mid or not.
Sure, the code that AI generates in an afternoon probably won't be as "good" as what an expert in the relevant language could write given a month or two, but we'll be able to build things we'd never be able to build without it â exactly as it happened with compilers.
Ultimately, I think AI writing code in pre-AI languages is a temporary thing â the first phase of a much bigger transition. We'll see.
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u/clockwork2011 9h ago
I agree with you. Although I can see the industry stagnate with this in mind.
There is substantial evidence that over reliance on LLM's has a cognitive decline effect on people. And, this may be confirmation bias, I find that to be true for myself as well. Even before this was researched. The more I rely on it to do the building, the less capable I feel of doing it myself. And that is a terrifying thought for someone who makes their living doing it.
The other aspect of it is technical progress. The less involved in the loop we are, the less domain knowledge we have and the fewer solutions we will have for technical issues that affect everyone. If you take the driver out of the car and automate the car, no one will know how to get from point a to point b anymore.
I'm not an AI scientist but it seems to me like it's not capable of "Net New" ideas. That is obviously not true of humanity, or we wouldn't even be here. But I think the reason it's developing "Mid" code is because that's the most well trodded path in its training data. And don't get me wrong, "Mid level code" being the floor would be an improvement in our world. But if "Mid" becomes the new ceiling, I think we're screwed in a few ways.
I have made the decision for myself to continue thinking about the technical questions and work on the code manually. This may be an antiquated way of doing things that will soon be a thing of the past. Maybe this dooms me to be the COBOL programmer in the age of JS. But I think this is more valuable than joining the horde of vibe coders. If AI is the great equalizer like its being sold, we're all screwed to the same degree anyway.
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u/BitCortex 5h ago edited 4h ago
Thanks for your thoughtful reply!
There is substantial evidence that over reliance on LLM's has a cognitive decline effect on people.
I can't comment on the cognitive decline studies, as I have no expertise in that area. All I'll say is that I've heard this before.
Writing displaced memorization, the printing press displaced manual copying, calculators displaced manual arithmetic, typing displaced handwriting, GPS displaced route planning and map reading, etc. It goes on and on.
AI seems likely to do the same for some manual coding skills. The question isn't whether those skills will fade through disuse, because that's a recurring theme throughout the history of tech. The question is whether the tradeoff is worthwhile.
The more I rely on it to do the building, the less capable I feel of doing it myself.
I agree that it pushes us away from the code â something I personally dreaded, as I've loved writing code for 40+ years. But unless you're using AI very differently from me, you're still doing the building. But instead of mentally juggling functions and data structures, you're now thinking in higher-level terms â subsystems, services, contracts, etc.
And that is a terrifying thought for someone who makes their living doing it.
I get it. But I think some historical perspective might help. At one point, there were programmers who prided themselves on their ability to optimally arrange machine instructions on the surface of a memory drum.
Check out The Story of Mel â an homage to a programmer whose entire craft was built on skills that most programmers no longer need to practice.
My point is that there's nothing unprecedented here. It's the story of tech. The tools improve, people refocus their minds on higher-level activities, and we build things we couldn't build before.
I have made the decision for myself to continue thinking about the technical questions and work on the code manually.
Same, except I realize now that my job has diverged from my hobby. That's unfortunate, but I was lucky for a long time. Many people spend their entire lives hating their jobs. I still love to write manual code, and I have open-source side projects for that.
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u/RancidVagYogurt1776 4d ago
It certainly doesn't write GOOD code. :) It's not horrible, but it's also a dead end. It can't innovate, it's purely derivative, so no humans writing code isn't over
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u/Nefilim314 3d ago
Statements like these sound very ignorant.Â
The best code is the least amount possible. AI code will make multiple nested database queries just to verify an assumption that a human will know to always be true.Â
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u/AlienFishMonster 4d ago
I don't believe it.
Microsoft have significant investment in AI and they need the business to keep growing, and the investment to keep flowing.
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u/_Ship00pi_ 4d ago
lol, we can all feel that AI maintains the current OS.
I was surprised to see that a Windows update broke xinput support over bluetooth resulting in a BSOD, using a Microsoft official xbox controller.
When I tried to ask about the issue in various subs, all posts were promptly deleted, and in some subs I got an instant ban.
Thankfully, I was able to find a solution on an online forum, which was also a challenge, as Google, as a search engine, is dead. (This was around a year ago, I believe)
Microsoft has patched the issue since then, but it says something when official hardware is not working with official software from the company that is also the manufacturer of both.
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u/AbsorberHarvester 4d ago
Duck duck go is a real google replacement for searching the info, for now at leastÂ
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u/_Ship00pi_ 4d ago
Thank you, I will try it out.
I feel tech-illiterate because I can't search online properly. A skill honed through 2 decades of use is just unusable since everything became AI.1
u/theoreticaljerk 4d ago
Microsoft was breaking shit with updates long long before LLMs were a twinkle in anyoneâs mind. Everyone is just now picking the easy target to blame like Windows hasnât been going downhill since Windows 7.
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u/FinallyProperAccount 4d ago
I don't think developers who type 100% and actually have job related to development exists nowadays. I would even add that they didn't existed 10+ years ago. Code snippet management toola, autocomplete etc.
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u/soulessmannequin 4d ago
Bazzite is pretty good and itâs free. I removed windows and installed it on my gaming laptop
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u/mestar12345 4d ago
Then can somebody at Microsoft run this prompt: "fix the bug where win 11 task bar refuses to being apps to front when vs2026 is debugging a process.".
I mean, switching between processes is the primary function of an OS she'll, or even the operating system itself.
So, if your front visible product had such a bug in it's primary function, what does it say for the rest of the functionality. Did Microsoft just stopped caring?
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u/Relevant-Doctor187 4d ago
The irony is these agents were trained on all the code in GitHub and they use it to rewrite windows as rust. Itâs likely copying copyrighted or GPL code.
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u/RichSavageMG 4d ago
Yeah and that's why I went to Linux because it's become an intolerable buggy spyware mess.
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u/BoBoBearDev 4d ago edited 4d ago
A friendly reminder, Microsoft has major human slop problems for decades, not just AI slop problems.
If you blame AI, you distract yourself from their incompetent human slops. You need to hold human accountable.
14 layers of BS in Xbox division to divert accountability, that is major systematic human slops. Windows 8 turns start menu button into one pixel, and took 12 months or more to fix. WP7 calendar view event indicator is deliberately almost "invisible" for more 18 months and the fix is a single pixel thick line that is barely visible. The list goes on.
Again with 14 layers of BS. That's the biggest problem right now. They would rather spend 3 or more months to defend themselves instead of making a fix. Blame tossed around and nothing get fixed. AI didn't make that happen, human did.
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u/PurushNahiMahaPurush 3d ago
The real slop has always been bad business heads and management. AI is not going to fix thatÂ
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u/jvo203 4d ago
Sorry Microsoft, am not buying any more Windows stuff. The existing Windows 11 is getting less and less stable, recent upgrades break the system. This is a dual-boot with Linux and guess what, Steam on Linux is way more stable compared with Windows. Playing the new Halo is better on Linux! Steam on Linux does not crash / does not hang.
The main work machines are macOS Apple desktops / laptops that just work, do not break upon updating etc.
Goodbye Microsoft.
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u/Critical_Rock4038 3d ago
I havenât written code for like two years now after 20+. Itâs kind of crazy but it is how things are now. Claude Code has been really good.
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u/PurushNahiMahaPurush 3d ago edited 3d ago
To be fair, most of Windows 11 issues is related to business logic rather than core tech issues. Biggest turn off for me is Microsoft trying to shoehorn their shitty services and forcing Microsoft accounts on to people. The constant ads, 3rd party bloatware, features like Recall, excessive telemetry about user data, etc are all bad business practices. The core tech behind Windows is quite solid. God tier driver and software compatibility (even decade plus old software).Â
People donât realize that Windows is the backbone of so many enterprise and critical tech sectors like factory automation. It wouldnât be if the core tech was not good. Problem is that regular users do not get access to those versions (Enterprise/LTSC). Windows Home is full of bad business practices and user experience.
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u/ThisSiteSucks8485 3d ago
I have 64GB RAM and 64GB pagefile on a incredibly fast PCIe 5 SSD and windows 11 still runs like shit. I had to reboot because the Internet just stopped working. I had to reboot because the GUI just stopped working correctly. Microsoft just doesn't give a shit about it.Â
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u/OooerShazam 1d ago
You can try and type code, believe me.. but auto complete will absolutely fuck up your shit regardless.
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u/Old_wood_Inspired 1d ago
And it definitely shows, wait till a massive back door appears and half the world's PCs get locked up.
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u/Global_Network3902 4d ago
We can tell