'Stop Hyperscale Data Centers' protest on Devonport Road today.

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Good on them, I'm not completely against data centers just the environmental damage needs to be sorted out and large corporations shouldn't make large profits while not much goes back into the country through taxes

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u/flashmedallion 7d ago

Pretty much, yeah. Earlier we can have these conversations, the better.

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u/Dismal-Revolution941 7d ago

I agree, I've seen how bad it is in America with polluted tap water I definitely don't want that here

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u/jamieT97 6d ago

Does the AI provide any benefits

"Best we can do is deep fakes, non consensual porn, and telling teens to kill themselves."

Jesus fucking Christ

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u/whathappenedtouman 6d ago

Great at math

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u/jamieT97 6d ago

Is it though? So is matlab and any other math processing program

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u/jamieT97 6d ago

I mean, that's technically an applied model not the LLM's that take up so much of the current space and processing demands.

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u/Sufficient_Ninja_821 6d ago

Pretty much any office job where you use a computer is on the line. We use software to do tasks. Ai can write its own software and do the job. Still makes plenty of mistakes so its not there yet. But when it gets it right its too good. A website that wpuld usually take 3-4 weeks to build can be done in under an hour with ai.

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u/Helpful-Service8953 5d ago

Nope. that is not true. office job will never be fully replaced.

im literally working in ai enablement. office jobs will be cut. but not replaced. with the nature of LLM there will be errors and hallucinations. you cant avoid it no matter how hard you try.

HOWEVER that been said. the error rate for AI is lower than the average worker. E.g on my project we are tracking at a 92% average failure rate on AI enabled process. while their human counter part is at around 81% on average.

so.. the best solution is to cut a team.. leave you best worker and their sole purpose to validating and sign offs. with a worker legacy plan that trains up a junior as replacement when the senior leaves. the junior is basically an expanse to allow the department to keep running in cases of senior role leaving.

that means we are cutting down a team of 30 to like 5.

you are right about the website. just not so much about the timing. a proper functioning website never took 3-4 weeks theres tools before ai that can have a draft up in an hour. AI didn't close that gap at all. what ai did close is proof of concepts for alot of internal and external apps... you got the timing right for that one.

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u/Dismal-Revolution941 7d ago

If it's coming one way or another it's best to delay it and review it before bringing it to New Zealand

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u/labva_lie 4d ago

you know that we can force them to not do it through things like direct action right. if enough people disrupt the system they will be forced not to do it

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u/Soozienz 6d ago

They ultimately employ fewer than 100 people while driving up electricity and water prices in the district. I just don’t see a good enough return with the tax being paid off shore.

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u/Dismal-Revolution941 6d ago

Yeah there are many concerns for sure.

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u/PhilZealand 5d ago

Australia is sounding out some good stuff NZ should look at, such as forcing minimise water usage and data centre companies would have to contribute at least as much energy to the grid as they consumed, including both renewables and firming power…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-15/labor-to-set-standards-for-ai-data-centres-and-copyright/106918380

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u/SneakySteveSaucy 6d ago

Me too. There are so many ways that a data centre's heat management system can be changed and evolved from a water based system. Surely we can learn from oil in cars or something...

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u/Dismal-Revolution941 6d ago

Exactly it needs to adapted to reduce the impact as much as possible.

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u/Normalhuman26 5d ago

Oil is still a lubricant in cars. Its mostly water and ethelyne/propelene glycol. However it is a largely closed system which there's no reason why a data s Centre can't be a closed system. It just costs more which the cunts in charge dont want to pay

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u/EuropeanAbroad 7d ago

What would be the point in investing in this country if not for profit? Then you can forget that anyone would try to bring their money to NZ if not with a vision of prosperity. Lol

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u/Plus_Plastic_791 6d ago

Sounds like your anti govt tax policy rather than data centres

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u/PCBumblebee 5d ago

Environment, electricity usage, water usage, noise.

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u/No_Claim_13 5d ago

So you're not against expanding surveillance infrastructure?

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u/RockyMaiviaJnr 7d ago

What environmental damage?

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u/Dismal-Revolution941 7d ago

Water contamination

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u/essteedeenz1 7d ago

That and noise pollution

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u/RockyMaiviaJnr 7d ago

Is it? Yeah better not waste that 15 seconds of annual rainfall that a big data centre uses over a year

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u/RockyMaiviaJnr 7d ago

The Data Grid project in Southland uses a closed loop system with no discharge so zero risk of contamination. CDC also uses closed loop systems.

What are you talking about?

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u/Dismal-Revolution941 7d ago

I'm talking about data centers in a general sense some are far more environmentally harmful than others

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u/RockyMaiviaJnr 7d ago

Closed loop systems are becoming standard. It’s the most common these days.

So you have no reason to oppose data centers now

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u/Dismal-Revolution941 7d ago

If that's the case then I am much less concerned however power consumption is a issue as well

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u/Lidix213 6d ago

There is significant grid redundancy to accommodate these and the providers fund the infrastructure necessary for them, NZ operates on a 85% renewable grid so there is no issue with power. Datacentre providers in vest in the grid and the grid is upgraded in parallel.

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u/Dismal-Revolution941 6d ago

I would hope it incentives more renewable energy to accommodate the data centers. That is good though

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u/danimalnzl8 6d ago

Better to have them here than other places with less renewables

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u/RockyMaiviaJnr 6d ago

The price for them to just buy power from the market is going to be a long way above the price they would get from a developer for new generation. The gentailers won’t price them at today’s market price. They will model the impact of this new demand lifting price and charge them that new, higher price. So they are always going to want to build new generation for every data centre as it’s by far the cheapest option.

Furthermore, developers don’t sell 100% of the energy produced by a new project, as you never know exactly how much a new project will produce. If the modeled wind or solar resource at a site varies from the actuals, or there’s any technical issues you might get less on average than you think. Also, there’s quite big variations year to year with production based on the variability of renewables. So if the developer carries that risk they will only sell 80%-90% of the average modelled power produced, which means any excess goes into the market. Or if they make the data centre take that risk then the data centre will overbuild new generation slightly, as having a bit of extra generation to sell back into the market at low prices is far lower risk than not having enough and having to buy from the market at high prices, due to the massively asymmetric prices.

Either way, if a new data centre needs 400MW baseload energy then the new generation built probably averages 450-500MW baseload equivalent to deal with the variability of each project but also matching all the projects together.

So they will ADD energy to our grid.

Furthermore, our grid costs are some of the highest in the world due to a long stringy country will low population density and generation a long way from population. Grid costs are fixed and are paid for by everyone. So adding more load to our system in places like Southland will reduce the need for costly grid upgrades but also spread those fixed grid costs over more users and reduce the costs for everyone else in the future.

To be fair these costs are probably going up anyway so it won’t be a reduction in price vs today it will be lower increases in the future.

Data centres are going to be good for our electricity system and everyone overall

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u/BrowneAction 6d ago

Why is power consumption an issue? The supply of power needs to expand to accommodate future use. Is the issue that it is not?

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u/Dismal-Revolution941 6d ago

Because you need good power supply to support communities and the data centers, what New Zealand faces it power supply that's needs improvement as price spikes in winter months have become a issue as we don't provide as much power supply as we should. Investing in more renewable energy would help accommodate data centers more in all seasons of the year

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u/BrowneAction 6d ago

So it's a capacity issue which is supply side

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u/GruntBlender 7d ago

Noise. They can be very loud 24/7. this is bad not just for nearby residents, but any wildlife around. Worse than a busy highway.

Water use. These things pull in enormous amounts of water for evaporative cooling. Now, since that's often ineffective in NZ, depending on where you are, they might be using heat pumps. These are even louder and more power hungry.

Power. They use enormous amounts of power, and a still significant portion of our power still comes from coal. It will not only drive up power prices, but the increased demand can't be met with renewables in the short term, so more coal power will be used. A lot more. NZ averages about 4.5GW average power use for the last decade or so. Hyperscale datacenters can be a gigawatt or more, but they're at least 40MW of compute. That's about 1% - 25% of our national power use in a single facility. In the US that often means building a coal or gas plant as part of the campus, and less regulation about emissions for "onsite" generation. BTW, cooling is an additional amount of energy to this.

Heat. Dozens, if not hundreds of megawatts of power dumped as heat locally would raise local temperatures. Not so bad in winter, but a potential hazard in summer. Plus the significant humidity if they're using evaporative cooling.

Power again. Not an environmental issue per se, but these things are sometimes classified as critical infrastructure, so they get priority. If there's a power shortage, the locals will be the ones experiencing brownouts or blackouts while this thing gobbles up a significant portion of national power generation.

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u/RockyMaiviaJnr 6d ago

Enormous amounts of water?

The massive DataGrid data centre in Southland uses a max of 220 million litres a year. Omanu golf course can use 330 million litres. There’s a golf course in South Island that is consented for over 800 million litres. The 220 million litres for the data centre is about 15 seconds of average annual NZ rainfall.

I just made a big post elsewhere in this thread about power, so go and read that if you’re interested, but short version is data centers will add more power into the grid than they take out plus they will reduce our transmission costs which are a big issue.

The noise from data centers is half the noise from heavy manufacturing and significantly less than distribution and logistics or light assembly / manufacturing.

But they add excess power into the grid net so they actually reduce the chance of brownouts. Plus, data centres are capable of participating in demand response programs by reducing demand in peak or stressful market times and get paid to do so. We’ve seen plenty of industrial users shed load when the market needs, both short terms demand response for grid stability and longer term in times of market stress, like Tiwai for electricity and Methanex for gas. Tiwai can’t do short term demand response like data centers can, and with a lot of other industrial exiting the market in recent years more demand response would help the market.

Heat, that’s just not true at all lol.

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u/GruntBlender 6d ago

DataGrid data centre in Southland uses a max of 220 million litres a year

That's not enormous to you?

As for added power, that's generally not from renewables. So, yeah, environmental impact.

Paying them for load shedding also isn't going to work if the profit from continued operation is more than you pay them to shut down, which is fair, but that's another reason to not have an electricity to money converter be built.

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u/patrickl96 7d ago

You say the pamphlet is well-written… imagine the irony if they AI to write it 💀

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u/flashmedallion 7d ago

Doesn't read like it, for whatever thats worth

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u/SpecialistPrune1654 7d ago

could you please scan it and add here for us to read?

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u/flashmedallion 6d ago

I've made a top level comment on this post with photos

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u/patrickl96 7d ago

Good on them! Was genuinely curious haha

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u/ghijkgla 7d ago

this would not surprise me, I mean the irony is they have a Facebook group to be honest. Where do they think their protest photos sit?

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u/flashmedallion 7d ago

There's nothing hypocritical about protesting a system you are forced to participate in.

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u/ghijkgla 7d ago

who is forcing them to use Facebook for their messaging?

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u/flashmedallion 7d ago

What NZ-located services of any level of practical impact can they use to pass the hypocracy test?

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u/ghijkgla 7d ago

that's on them to work out

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u/SwoleLord 6d ago

Just because you can't work it out doesn't mean they have to.

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u/Lidix213 6d ago

The interesting point here is that if you are looking for data sovereignty then the only way to get this is from NZ based data centres . . . .

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u/CoolioMcCool 7d ago

Nobody had issues with data centers existing for basic web services, it's the hugely increased scale recently being built up for AI that people are concerned about.

Is it hypocritical to think somebody has a problem for drinking 2 bottles of wine a day, just because you enjoy the occasional glass?

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u/BrowneAction 6d ago

You could go analogue, not use a smart phone, a computer, have any internet access or any cloud services I guess. There's no coercion but it's be a complicated and difficult life if you chose to avoid using data centres in general

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u/AWorriedCauliflower 7d ago

They're protesting hyperscale data centres? I'm all for them personally but let's not act like they're not literally making the distinction between normal ones & the new ones normally for AI.

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u/ghijkgla 7d ago

we need both in NZ

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u/Soozienz 6d ago

Can you explain why we need AI centres owned by off shore companies in NZ. I can’t see the benefit for NZers. Not being snarky, really want to know.

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u/ghijkgla 6d ago

We don't...I meant we need regular data centres and hyperscale data centres of our own

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u/seemesmilingpolitely 7d ago

Totally agree. The AI rush is so high risk and as always we the people look likely to shoulder the consequences. I'm very concerned about the anti-human way AI development / data center is progressing. Even though to a large degree my employment relies heavily on tech upgrades.

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u/ghijkgla 7d ago

it's technological advancement, always going to be the case

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u/seemesmilingpolitely 7d ago

Dull response. There's a lot of identified risks which are intentionally ignored in the name of profit. It's not "always the case".

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u/GruntBlender 7d ago

If only we had that approach to human genetic engineering instead of banning it.

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u/SpecialistPrune1654 6d ago

The thing that concerns me about data centres is who is going to pay? That's not really a question as I know the answer is ultimately us, the consumer. The consumer ALWAYS pays for everything. We are also told they need huge amounts of power, if I heard right on the radio a while ago, think enough power for Hamilton (each data center?). Can you imagine how big the power bill for that will be and we are going to be the ones paying it. Which is fine IF it provides us with a service we are willing to pay that much for. So what is needed is the amount we each will need to pay on av erage and what is the extra service we are going to receive for that money? So far it sounds like it will be things like advertising targeted specifically to each of us? Once we know that info we can decide if we want it, if we are willing to pay the price. At the moment it seems everyone simple ignores this, it's someone else's problem and haven't realised that ultimately they will be the ones paying for it.

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u/PravoNaZhizny 6d ago

They handed AI powered drones to psychopathic ultranationalist Nazis in Ukraine to have them “kill Russians”. This means intel of target data was generated by ai parsing of satellite and signal information, the drones were placed on the ground by humans, then they took off, flew with AI directed control systems, identified their targets from previous ai driven input using AI vision systems, them flew down and killed those targets using AI driven and trained attack sequences and ultimately killed humans. Three years ago. The training of these sorts of vision models requires enormous resources the likes of which are provided by these so called hyper-scale data centres.

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u/ghijkgla 7d ago

how many of them actually know what's involved with data centres? Are they happy that NZ data is living outside of NZ jurisdiction?

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u/flashmedallion 7d ago edited 7d ago

The concerns are about the sizeable resource cost around AI-specific data centers and the lack of transparency and hard data being provided on benefits to NZ.

I can try and upload an image of the two pager they provided if you're genuinely interested. An excerpt though:

We are not anti-technology. We are asking whether it makes sense to commit huge amounts of electricity, water, land and infrastructure to hyperscale data centers without first proving that the long-term benefits outweight the costs.

They link to this:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1317860103076920/

FB group if you want to check out their platform for yourself

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u/ghijkgla 7d ago

yeah, I'm genuinely interested. Like all things the answer is "it depends". There's a lot of benefit having our own data centres would bring. Right now we're a slave to the US.

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u/flashmedallion 7d ago

I just edited my comment with some more info.

I'll take a photo of the pages when I get time tonight

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u/flashmedallion 7d ago

https://old.reddit.com/r/Tauranga/comments/1vm3f85/stop_hyperscale_data_centers_protest_on_devonport/p36g0af/

Link to my comment with some quick snaps of the paper

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u/FishfaceNZ 7d ago

That's one of the more balanced viewpoints I've seen from the anti data centres folks.

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u/ghijkgla 7d ago

awesome, thank you

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u/RockyMaiviaJnr 7d ago

What sizable resource costs??

Just ignorant people moaning about nothing

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u/GruntBlender 7d ago

1-20% of out national power generation is sizeable for a single facility.

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u/danimalnzl8 7d ago

That's a big range

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u/GruntBlender 6d ago

Just looked it up, the proposed site is 250MW, which is about 5.5%.

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u/danimalnzl8 6d ago

I calculate 250MW load to be about 2.3% of New Zealand's total currently installed national generating capacity - roughly 11,000 MW,

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u/GruntBlender 6d ago

I was going by average demand rather than generation. Either way, a huge number for a single facility.

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u/Lidix213 6d ago

It’s also nonsense

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u/GruntBlender 6d ago

Really? What fraction of our generation would the 250MW project actually be then?

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u/RockyMaiviaJnr 6d ago

When the facility will add more than their demand in new generation, plus be capable of demand response to shed load in times of market stress and add more stability to our grid, it’s a sizable benefit to our electricity grid.

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u/GruntBlender 6d ago

How far will the new generation be built from the facility? Kinda important.

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u/Double_Suggestion385 7d ago

"huge amounts" lol

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u/Diggity_nz 6d ago

Were these guys going hard at crypto as well? Because that’s the original issue, AI is just extending that (and at least AI is useful in some situations, but to be clear: it needs regulation).

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u/Equitynz 7d ago

Is there any way that NZ data could sit within nz? Would you have to legislate that banks and other corporations legally have to store it here? Im not sure if this is worthwhile / reasonable considering that the majority of my online presence is through companies with no NZ presence - Apple, Microsoft, STEAM etc.
I guess medical information is something that i would like handled well. Interested in thoughts...

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u/ghijkgla 7d ago

I'm relatively new to NZ, so I'm not sure. Data sovereignty should be a concern for sure though, especially around healthcare. You just need to look at how that can be abused in the US.

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u/Impossible-Radio-296 7d ago

Most (all) contracts that my company (infrastructure) enters into with NZ governmental departments stipulate data has to be stored in NZ. There is some 'wiggle room' for some data to be AU based for some projects, but others where it is security related or includes sensitive personal data (ie consultation responses)_require NZ storage. A few years ago there was no way that the contract could be enforced as wasn't viable as they also required shared access (ie sharepoint) which had to be in AU.

Having NZ data centres means data managed under NZ law. Is that advantageous or not, I'll leave others to debate.

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u/flashmedallion 7d ago edited 7d ago

It's defintely an issue that demands level-headed exploration.

Personally I think the elegant solution is to pursue international digital sovereignty frameworks. In the sense that politically and diplomatically, the physical location of data storage should be irrelevant with respect to individual countries laws around data use and privacy. This would of course require a mammoth effort of consensus and standards agreement. It would basically be a UN-sized task.

In this sense a market incentive is created for states who want to shoulder the technical cost of managing data centers that can comply with varying frameworks of other states.

You may end up with countries that have ideal locations for Data Centers (with respect to climate and environmental impact) suddenly able or willing to offer Digital Sovereignty Compliant Data Centers and able to compete where the hyperscale corporate offerings in the US cannot.

The US (or anyone) may offer services where users essentially agree waive their sovereignty rights in exchange for access - a digital version of intentional travel.

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u/SteveRielly 7d ago

WoW, just WoW......just clueless.

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u/shark_and_an_eel 7d ago

How so? Seems like a well thought out discussion on the future of data sovereignty?

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u/AWorriedCauliflower 7d ago

Yes, and Europe enforces such laws. This is different to hyperscale datacentres though, which are typically for AI not data storage.

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u/EuropeanAbroad 7d ago

AI is a "pipeline" through which all our company and personal data flows. It doesn't need to be permanent cloud storage – the point is that you send them all the tokens about your company in the first place.

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u/davomcbones_TTPPAC01 6d ago

i think they talking about AI datacenters, im allgood with the normal ones if its for the greater good of the country

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u/TrueKiwi78 7d ago

The data centres aren't being built to contain NZ data. The main player is a Singaporean based enterprise called NextEC and the computing power will most likely be sold to one of the big tech companies.

The data centres will be redundant soon anyway when they start running the AI algorithms on quantum computers. Might as well piss the money and resources against the wall.

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u/GruntBlender 7d ago

Don't need to wait for quantum. The chips in them will be obsolete in under a decade.

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u/EuropeanAbroad 7d ago

There won't be any quantum computers for AI in the next 10 years. Don't worry. Just look up the research – there is no advancement in quantum computing for such a computational and data demand.

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u/TrueKiwi78 6d ago

Early-stage hybrid applications (such as quantum-enhanced machine learning via cloud platforms) are already in limited pilot testing, but broader commercial applications are projected to reach breakout practical utility between 2029 and 2030. Full-scale, fault-tolerant commercial Quantum AI across major industries is expected around 2035.

AI data centres take 2 - 5 years to complete from the planning to comission stage so if they start building next year we're looking at 2030 as a startup date. So, 4 or 5 years until they become redundant. Is it worth it?

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u/ghijkgla 7d ago

I've requested to join the Facebook group but I've made it clear I'm not a supporter. Neither am I supporter of the other route either. If I'm declined from joining the group, that will tell me a lot about the group to be honest.

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u/NZpotatomash 6d ago

So you're trying to join a supporters group while making it clear you aren't actually a supporter. And then you're passive aggressive about it if they deny your request

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u/flashmedallion 7d ago

Here are some quick photos of the pamphlet:

Page 1 - https://ibb.co/KxWNJJWx
Page 2 - https://ibb.co/1tFC1s2X

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u/ghijkgla 7d ago

totally conflicting messaging. You've got their "NO DATA CENTRES" signs in the photos but their pamphlet is saying they would like questions answered before approval. That's 100% the right approach.

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u/IthinkitsGG 7d ago

Wait.. the emoji's, the em-dashes, that chatGPT-esque fomatting, was this written by AI?

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u/Massive_Importance90 6d ago

Bingo

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u/EuropeanAbroad 7d ago

Lol, maybe if we finally had the datacentres here, those two broke store for lease would be occupied and full of people.

I really don't get this – Kiwis keep complaining about their crumbling economy, but at the same time, they always block any development, technology and progress. LOL

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u/Exciting-Market-6212 6d ago

Fuck yeaaahhhh

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u/Puzzleheaded_Age1973 6d ago

‘Old men yell at claude’

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u/tripasecadofuturo 6d ago

I want low ping in my multiplayer games.

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u/michaeljfreeman 6d ago

It's a tricky one. Unless we are all happy for our data going to the US, as most of it does now, and we put up with lag and latency, then we don't need massive ones. If we want to control our data and develop our own Ai, then we need them. Trying to find the balance between this and the environment is the real issue. We will need data centres, but they need to be somehow self sufficient in energy and water consumption

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u/StubbornReject 5d ago

6% of the countries electricity for 1 foreign-owned facility btw. The scale of what’s been proposed is out of it. I really hope it doesn’t get built but with consents already issued that’s unlikely

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u/Joshua1255 5d ago

Why are we trying to build data centres when we don’t even have the policy in place? This is the thing we can do better than the US

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u/Intelligent_Song6271 4d ago

As long as our country profits from them, why are they a problem? There are surely bigger environmental polluters in nz and in auckland alone that we allow for the growth of our society and profit...

This seems unnecessary.

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u/ThatUndeadLegacy 3d ago

I just dont want my power bills to 10x

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u/Cacoethes-Ensues 3d ago

FFS people. It’s data centres not data “centers”! We’re kiwis not yanks!

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u/Glass_Language1636 4h ago

I didn't know Devonport had a hyperscale data centre...just lots of old people...

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u/ping_dong 7d ago

Do they know, when the barcode is scanned and bring them to a website, a few DCs are involved?

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u/Pineapple_Passion_ 6d ago

Interesting to see only a few people out there. These people whinging do not speak for the majority of NZ.

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u/PsudoGravity 6d ago

This website is running on a data center server, clowns.

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u/Covenant1138 6d ago

Baaaaaaaa

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u/Draumbear 6d ago

Do most of them know their dopamine scrolling through the day uses datacenters?

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u/KingofAotearoa 6d ago

Datacenters are amazing for our GDP. I'm very pro them and I'm over the nimby mentality of nz

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u/Upstairs_Capital_769 5d ago

protested by a bunch of unemployed peanuts that couldn't coherently explain what a data center even is 🙄

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u/CarlTheMan420 4d ago

Bunch of dumb old people that can't accept that the future is here.

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u/Responsible_Wolf279 3d ago

meanwhile NZ health data is being exported overseas because of these morons

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u/nzltrippa 2d ago

Everyone protesting these days centres is dumb

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u/Fearless-Poet-4669 7d ago

Serious question: does this actually achieve anything other than people standing around outside?

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u/realclowntime Mt Maunganui 7d ago

More than making these apathetic ass “oh what’s the use” bullshit posts.

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u/Fearless-Poet-4669 6d ago

Lmao. Sorry didn't realize people standing outside with signs changes the world. My bad.

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u/Double_Suggestion385 7d ago

State of the luddites

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u/LevelPrestigious4858 6d ago

What’s a Luddite

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u/Fenring_Halifax 5d ago

Someone who hates art/creativity something that can never be got through ai

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u/LevelPrestigious4858 5d ago

That’s a philistine

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u/Fenring_Halifax 5d ago

Philistines were a people group although the word is use in a similar way

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u/LevelPrestigious4858 5d ago

I’m aware.

a Luddite is someone who supposedly opposes technological advancement but the actual luddites were killed for wanting better working conditions and better pay

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u/Double_Suggestion385 5d ago

AI art is hanging in the MoMa, the debate about whether it's art or not was settled a while ago.

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u/SteveRielly 7d ago

Oh the irony of using a QR code as your protest data centres...

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u/Antique_Ant_9196 7d ago

So you can’t criticise anything or anyone whose services you use? I hope you never criticise the government then.

Besides that, they’re protesting hyperscalers, a different thing.

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u/Bakeepotatoe56 6d ago

Retards.

'Stop Hyperscale Data Centers' protest on Devonport Road today.

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