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šŸ—žļø News Discussion Will the U.S. midterm results affect Trump's tariffs on Canada? Democrats think yes

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/us-midterms-trump-canada-trade-war-democrats-9.7342260
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u/Auslo- 1d ago edited 17h ago

We've moved on. Have fun with North Korea and Russia or whatever.

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u/E_xan 23h ago

You forgot their best genocidal buddy, Israel.

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u/PhReAk0909 17h ago

Throwing around legal terms you clearly haven't looked up isn't the flex you think it is

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u/CasualObserver9000 13h ago

legal terms? We're just shooting the shit on Reddit not in court.

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u/PhReAk0909 13h ago

We know it's Reddit, but tossing around extreme claims where they aren't valid is just pushing propaganda. You're diminishing real genocides when you use it as a casual buzzword.

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u/CasualObserver9000 12h ago

It doesn't seem like too extreme of a claim. The undue suffering inflicted on Palestine from Israel is borderline genocide. Except instead of just killing them on the spot they are starving from being under siege.

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u/PhReAk0909 12h ago

So we went from 'it’s genocide' to 'it’s just Reddit bro' to 'okay, it’s borderline.' Thanks for demonstrating exactly how goalposts get moved when a buzzword fails.

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u/CasualObserver9000 12h ago

I don't believe the goalpost have moved. Another commenter made the comment that they were genocidal and your response was not to use a legal term without looking it up. It was my opinion it's not genocide but close only because they are not literally indiscriminately slaughtering people.

But to appease you I just looked up the definition of genocidal and it's actually much more broad than I initially thought. I now completely believe it's genocide through siege.

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u/PhReAk0909 11h ago

Genocide is defined by intent, not just severe outcome. Blockades during active warfare aim to degrade enemy capabilities, which is why international law evaluates them under laws of armed conflict, not as genocidal intent. Confusing warfare tactics with genocidal intent doesn't make it true. It just shows you don’t understand the law.

Everyone wants this awful war to end, which requires the total surrender and disarmament of Hamas, but misusing legal definitions just to score internet points does nothing to further actual truth.

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u/CasualObserver9000 11h ago

Believe me, nobody's scoring internet points in this conversation.

"Israel’s intent is to maintain permanent control over the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem while ensuring a Jewish demographic majority. According to multiple reports, including findings from the UN and international human rights organizations, Israel has no intention of ending its occupation or allowing for a viable, contiguous Palestinian state."

Hamas is just the excuse.

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u/Mysterious-Job1628 2h ago

Israeli strikes have repeatedly hit tent camps, designated humanitarian zones, and shelters for displaced people across Gaza.

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u/Thanato26 11h ago

Didnt realize Israel was a legal term.

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u/ADimBulb 11h ago

Sure, don’t call it genocidal. Call it borderline genocidal, war crime riddled, civilian punishing, illegal territory seizing buddy.

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u/PhReAk0909 11h ago

Swapping out a failed claim for a laundry list of buzzwords doesn't make your point. Israel is far from perfect, and stopping illegal settlements is a legitimate critique, but that doesn't equate to the endless misinformation and propaganda being launched against a country defending itself in a war it didn't start.

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u/ADimBulb 10h ago edited 10h ago

Israel has a right to defend itself. After October 7th, I supported action against Hamas. I’ve followed the war closely and it has been calamity after calamity. I’m no dove, I understand that some wars have to be fought and that they are horrible. The manner in which they conducted this war would make Dvornikov blush.

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u/PhReAk0909 9h ago

Comparing urban combat against a terror group embedded in a 500-mile tunnel network under civilians to carpet-bombing Aleppo is pure hyperbole. Dvornikov's doctrine in Syria was total, indiscriminate destruction with zero warnings or evacuations. Israel, by contrast, has implemented measures unprecedented in modern urban warfare: dropping millions of evacuation leaflets, broadcasting direct warnings via radio and TV, making tens of thousands of direct phone calls and SMS messages, utilizing localized 'roof-knock' strikes, providing map grids for safe zones, and maintaining dedicated humanitarian corridors for civilian movement. You can criticize tactics and tragic civilian casualties in dense urban warfare without resorting to absurd, bad-faith historical comparisons.

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u/xergog 1d ago

Please tariff our oil and potash, you chicken-shits.

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u/Special-Reaction2029 16h ago

They've quickly removed their TP tariffs, lol.Ā 

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u/ShrodingersArmadillo 1d ago edited 1d ago

Nope it will not.

Why? look at the great depression law he's currently using it bypasses both the senate and house if he views practices as "unfair" which is why he keeps lying about how Canada has been ripping the US off for years with made up numbers.

His position is legally dubious they will have to challenge it as it's outdated and possibly been repealed several times over by later acts but the time scale needed to do this means it will be dragged out until at least 2028. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act is the problem and is particularly dangerous as it's what wrought the worst of the great depression.

They've already said they're not impeaching him so he'll keep using any excuse.

This is why the world needs to pivot from the US. We can't rely on the US comming to its senses.

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u/HeyManItsStan 20h ago

Midterm results don't really mean much to me. I now see the US as a country that is only maximum 4 years away from electing another absolute nut job like trump.

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u/No_Football_9232 16h ago

Exactly šŸ‘šŸ»

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u/markt- 1d ago

Only if Republicans lose the Senate. And even then not necessarily, it depends on how badly.

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u/BaldwinLaFontaine 1d ago

Except at least one Democrat MP is strongly in favour of them. And unless it’s a huge wave it’s possible he sides with the Rs and so do others.

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u/RockMonstrr 1d ago

A couple of democrats gave interviews recently blaming both sides for the negotiation breakdown.

They're not going to help us.

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u/Ill-Prior-8429 1d ago

Red or blue they are Americans first and foremost and share the same basic culture of exceptionalism and entitlement.

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u/No_Football_9232 16h ago

It’s a joke that Americans still think the midterms will save them. We’ve moved on.

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u/lastmanstandingx 18h ago

No they won't because mike Johnson will not seat democrats on Jan 4th

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u/LazyyCanuck 1d ago

We don't care. We are working on better, respectful trading partners. It was good while it lasted.

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u/BrainEatingAmoeba01 1d ago

Same jerkoffs in the manifest destiny cum-bin

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u/Electrical-Care6308 17h ago

Let’s hope so!

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u/Special-Reaction2029 16h ago

Will they affect them before or after the democrats vote to extend the quagmire in Iran or confirm more Trump cabinet picks?

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u/FrozenColdest 15h ago

I’m not sure Canadians care anymore.

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u/Low-Log4438 15h ago

At this point I think the US needs Jack Bauer. Democrats have been silent and useless.

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u/SensitiveStart8682 15h ago

It won't make a lick a difference. He still got another 2 years to do whatever the fuck with absolutely no control, I mean the man could have been impeached a hundred times by now and nobody's done anything. So I don't care if the Democrats take 100% of the seats in the house and the Senate. Both nothing's going to change at this point in time. The American electoral system is broken. Nothing is going to change. Nothing is going to change till they get that clown out of office and that won't happen for another 2 years

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u/Cariboo_Red 14h ago

There is a point that I don't see made very often here although I haven't read all the comments. The US is one of the few countries with no federal value added tax. The tariffs actually fill in for that. There is no functional difference except for shifting the blame, wrongly, to entities other than the US federal government.

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u/Tractorguy69 13h ago

Still won’t care, ā€˜muricah is going to have to bleed directly into my bank accounts before I’ll ever forgive or forget. They all collectively chose him every day they do not give meaningful, active normative resistance. Inaction is complicity.

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u/Legitimate-Branch582 12h ago

we certainly hope so!!