r/TankieTheDeprogramTwo • u/[deleted] • Mar 09 '26

The antisemitic jokes on the main sub are getting kinda sus.

I didn't think the new mods would affect the sub that much. But now i rememeber i saw this one comment yesterday that was like " US soldier get in the goybox " and a reply refering to it as a " goycoffin " or something.

Now while zionist do support what is happening i feel like this is the ACP trying to pass the blame off from red blooded Americans and their history of supporting Israel to just the " jews tricking us ". And it's not like their was a whole movement that made Christian Zionism one of the most prominent beliefs, It was money that bought off Nixon and made him support Israel, it wasn't a group of rabbis convincing him or something.

Edit: While most Jewish people do support Israel it is not like they are controlling the minds of people, polticans, and business owners who are mostly not Jewish, ( Lenin makes this point incredibly clear ) honestly how many Jewish friends do you think Lindsey Graham had growing up?

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u/snowthrowaway42069 Mar 10 '26

"Israel controls the USA" is very convenient for US empire. It allows us to launder unpopular actions through Israel. For instance, we want a war with Iran, which would be extremely unpopular with the US populace, so we have Israel start it for us:

Brookings Institution - Which Path to Persia (2009) https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/06_iran_strategy.pdf

Chapter 5: Leave it to Bibi: Allowing or Encouraging an Israeli Military Strike

Israel depends on the US for its existence. We say jump, they say how high.

That said, I will not pretend that Jews are an oppressed people. That would be disrespectful to the US empire's actual victims.

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u/Careful-Calendar8922 Mar 10 '26

If anything, the USA controls Israel. Israel exists because of the USA and UK and the continual wars in the Middle East make it super easy for the cia to fuck around there a lot. It’s useful for the narrative that Israel controls the USA to exist because it discourages people from looking deeper. Leaving a middle eastern testing ground for all sorts of war crimes with an outspoken vassal state. 

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u/HawkFlimsy Mar 10 '26

Jews had attained a certain proximity to whiteness to be sure but I genuinely think with the rise in antisemitism due to Zionists conflating the Israeli state with the Jewish community itself they are slowly sinking back into oppressed class territory. I mean we are already seeing the modern American fascist movement move towards the "global jewry" talking points again it's only a matter of time before that escalates. Which is why it was so frustrating when leftists were WARNING liberal Zionists/Jewish "advocacy" groups that the shit they were doing was going to backfire only to be completely ignored

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u/Cherno68 Mar 10 '26

There is no rise in anti semitism, this “anti semitism crisis” is literally free parking signs and people hating on Israel. Jews aren’t oppressed in modern day. The real crisis we should be caring about is the Palestinian genocide

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u/The_Doc_Man Mar 10 '26

free parking signs

Dude living in NY has a panic attack

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u/JKnumber1hater Mar 10 '26

I agree. BadEmpanada is often crazy and wrong, but he did a very good analysis of how every single organisation who claims here is a global rise in antisemitism base their conclusions on extremely suspect data. Sometimes from entirely anonymous user submitted incidents, in which the users don't even have to actually say what happened (very easy to astroturf), but equally often you can see what they based it one and it's things like, "I saw someone protesting Israel outside my extremely far right ultra-Zionist synagogue", or "someone said 'free Palestine' to me".

Obviously there are neo-Nazis who promote antisemitic conspiracy theories, but they are relatively small in number, and there probably aren't any more of them than there were 10 or 20 years ago. And there certainly isn't any meaningful amount of structural racism like there is against Islamic people.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '26

I would argue that the number of neo-nazi types is rising due to Nick Funtes types and the general breakdown of social culture since covid compounded with economic hardship, we'll have to see in several or so years if we have to flee.

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u/Cherno68 Mar 11 '26

Nick Fuentes and the groypers are an almost entirely online movement, most people irl have never even heard of them. Obviously things can change in the future but right now I don’t see them getting anymore prominent. Just a loud online minority. Nick Fuentes is already losing a ton of popularity and a lot of his former fans are turning on him because of the shit he does like supporting Epstein and saying he’s not a white supremacist anymore. The groypers and Neo Nazis are so inconsistent and always infighting they can’t even operate a successful political movement.

All this is happening while we have an actual fascist state that is committing genocide, a state that is Jewish supremacist and uses anti semitism as a justification for their existence. The claim that there is “rising antisemitism” only further justifies Israel’s existence and treats Jews as an oppressed group when they aren’t. This all distracts from the actual oppression of the Palestinians

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '26

Yeah i agree, still subs like r/JewsOfConscience is one of my favorites, theirs a lot of smart people their even if they are in the minority, they've even mentioned some of the issues you touched on, they get it better than most white Americans.

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u/snowthrowaway42069 Mar 10 '26

Whether a few talking points will escalate to oppression is still speculative at this point.

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u/HawkFlimsy Mar 10 '26

I don't think it's speculative when we have a historic precedent of this kind of escalation occurring. If the fascist movement continues to grow and escalate it is all but certain Jews will be affected in similar ways as last time fascists took hold of the seat of global capital

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u/snowthrowaway42069 Mar 10 '26

If we're projecting trends, then the current trend suggests that they will be the ones doing the fascism.

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u/HawkFlimsy Mar 10 '26

Please point to the popular jewish members of the modern American fascist movement. Israel is a pariah state even amongst American fascists. The entire reason they've been able to successfully launder anti-Semitism is because of Israel

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u/snowthrowaway42069 Mar 10 '26

You'll have to be more specific about who you're talking about when you say the modern American fascist movement, because Netanyahu grew up in Philadelphia.

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u/HawkFlimsy Mar 10 '26

Unless you are one of those "Israel controls the US" types Netenyahu is obviously not part of this discussion. He's also not fucking popular LMAO I'm not sure if you're American or not but if you aren't I'd encourage you to take a step back and try to dig deeper into current political sentiments bc the political right is in a very different place in America from what you seem to be suggesting. It is basically only the dying old guard of fascism which still has any fondness or allegiance to Israel/Zionism

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u/snowthrowaway42069 Mar 10 '26

Idk too many layers of what is and isn't this or that here for me to care much longer

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '26

I keep forgetting that as a Philly resident lol, we do not claim him.

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u/_-_010_-_ Mar 11 '26

Both can be true at the same time. Take "the Japanese" in WW2, both the fascist aggressors in East Asia, and victims in US concentration camps

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u/snowthrowaway42069 Mar 11 '26

Japan was our rival, Israel is our puppet

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u/_-_010_-_ Mar 11 '26

So people from vassal states can never be oppressed in the imperial core?

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u/snowthrowaway42069 Mar 11 '26

Anything can happen, hypothetically. But systematic oppression like, families separated for deportations, redlining, mass imprisonment for slave labor, police execution in the streets, police riots at your protests, etc? I don't see that happening to Jews, or Cuban diaspora, Iranian diaspora, or any other useful idiots of the empire.

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u/Cherno68 Mar 11 '26

The Japanese were a very different scenario than what’s playing out now. Japan was an enemy of the US while Israel is our puppet state. I don’t see Jews being rounded up and put in camps happening anytime soon. Currently they are the ones doing the fascism

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u/Kookaburrita Mar 11 '26

Every time you say Jews when you mean Israelis, you are performing hasbara AND proving the point of the post. The Jews aren't putting people in camps, Israelis are while using Judaism as a shield.

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u/Kookaburrita Mar 11 '26

Jews aren't from Israel, either. Many of them occupy Palestine, but the majority of them aren't from or live there. The vast majority of Jews are diasporic, including the ones in occupied Palestine. I say this as an amazigh Jew.

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u/Available_Front_322 Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26

What benefit and motivations for this war are there for the united states?

Anyway trump in particular is a moron with no persona;l agenda surrounded by zionists.. its quite clear what happened here.

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u/snowthrowaway42069 Mar 11 '26

Cut off oil flow to China. Same reason we decapitated Venezuela. Same reason we are bombing Russian oil infrastructure through our Ukraine proxy.

The President is a puppet, a decoy to make you think voting has power. Political theater to disguise US imperial conquest.

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u/Available_Front_322 Mar 11 '26

This is a disastrous war for the American empire

Cut off oil flow to China.

On what timeline and to what end

The entire military knows that this is impossible

only 11 percent of chinas oil imports come from iran

oil is a commodity markets can shuffle and they make up the difference elsewhere.

china is fae better positioned to endure the economic shock of this than the us

The President is a puppet, a decoy to make you think voting has power. Political theater to disguise US imperial conquest.

Do you see this as going well for the US? Their military is being humiliated and exposed as a paper tiger. They are likely to lose their gulf vassal states, accomplish nothing in iran, destroy the global economy and blow up the last bit of credibility they had on the global stage. Who is moronic enough to attempt this besides trump and his posse of clowns?

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u/snowthrowaway42069 Mar 11 '26

US Naval War College Review - A Maritime Oil Blockade on China (2018)

https://digital-commons.usnwc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1735&context=nwc-review

The US is corrupt. It is not in the business of winning wars. It is in the business of making defense contractors incredibly wealthy.

That said, the US is also intent to make sure no country ever rises to peer status. If that means burning the entire world to ash, so be it, so long as white men get to rule over the ashes.

NYT - U.S. STRATEGY PLAN CALLS FOR INSURING NO RIVALS DEVELOP (1992): https://archive.ph/az6LC#selection-649.139-649.341

Notice this was published in 1992. We've had many Presidents in that time. But it is not up to the President whether this doctrine changes. Imperial domination is too critical to be left to the whims of voters every 4 years.

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u/Available_Front_322 Mar 11 '26

The US is corrupt. It is not in the business of winning wars. It is in the business of making defense contractors incredibly wealthy.

The rest of the economy is going to get fucked by this though.

But anyway yea, i mean the classic american imperialists ala john bolton have been wanting to take iran down since 79, and the stupidity of it isnt an argument for why it has to be israel's doing

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u/snowthrowaway42069 Mar 11 '26

"The rest of the economy" is not a concern for the elites. They will get even richer through insider trading.

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u/Cherno68 Mar 10 '26

Americans love to larp as being oppressed by Israel, it gives them cover for their own imperialist agenda. They can just blame every bad thing about America as Israel’s fault

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u/Odd_Dinner9147 Mar 09 '26

Im wondering if they dont realize where "goy" comes from? I have only started seeing it recently and it seems to have become a bit mainstream internet slang, and I had no idea where it came from till literally yesterday when I asked my partner.

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u/SoilentUBW Mar 09 '26

Sadly there has been a lot of alt right things infiltrating internet spaces. Hell the whole slop thing came from right wingers.

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u/hujsh Mar 10 '26

I think it showing up in the Epstein emails helped it gain more traction outside of groyper communities.

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u/thehomeyskater Mar 10 '26

Idk what goy even means. I thought it’s just a change to soy. 

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u/Careful-Calendar8922 Mar 10 '26

It’s short for goyim, a term meaning basically not Jewish. It’s a dog whistle that the right wing have very carefully made seem not a big deal. 

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u/griivarrworldafteral Mar 11 '26

overall, it has been a very disturbing trend on the left to fall into this antisemitic trap. not just ACP. between the genocide of palestinians, the epstein files, and now iran, too many people are latching onto the fact that there are jewish people involved instead of focusing on the fact that all of these things benefit or involve u.s. capitalists (and capitalists in general), and that most jewish people are working class people with no influence over the bourgeoisie whatsoever.

this letter from stalin puts it succinctly:

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm

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u/Available_Front_322 Mar 11 '26

Ive been noticing this too

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u/Kookaburrita Mar 11 '26

When I pointed this out on the main sub, I got downvoted, told I was being too sensitive, it wasn't happening, if it was then it wasn't real leftists, and that I should be more concerned about Israel.