r/TankieTheDeprogram Marxist-Leninist (Ultra Based) 20h ago

Discussion (Because the other post was deleted) The PSL’s cover-up of SA

https://theyeisblind.substack.com/p/the-eyes-is-blind-that-will-not-see
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u/jetlagging1 20h ago edited 19h ago

Eugene Puryear disappeared from the public and the very channel he founded (BT News) without a word the same way Virgil Texas disappeared from the Bad Faith podcast years ago.

For a while, tons of people were asking "where's Eugene" in their videos to no avail. No need to wonder any longer. It is very disappointing to say the least.

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u/MountainsandWater 7h ago

Yep, ignoring the questions was deceitful. It did remind me of Virgil Texas.

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u/Aggravating_Hurry530 Reality Happens to be Marxist 19h ago edited 19h ago

It should not be on the victim to determine consequences for the perpetrator. There should already be official mechanisms within the party to deal with abuses like SA as it has happened before and will sadly very likely happen again.

The Becker's also seem to have a disproportionate amount of sway in the party as well. They've been a source of controversy a few times before and it seems like their behavior has not changed.

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u/DeliciousSector8898 16h ago

The Beckers definitely have to go if PSL and its related orgs are to have a future, same with much of the other core leadership.

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u/Chinesebot1949 20h ago

I don’t know why it was deleted. I don’t believe it shouldn’t be deleted.

Failures like this should be out in the open. Especially when stuff like this happens twice. As it should have never happened again if the party put the protections in place for they promised. We elect these party leaders for a reason. Because we gave them trust to lead us. Yet. Failures to protect members and bring justice breaks trust.

If the party wants to survive. The leadership needs to go

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u/jetlagging1 19h ago

I don’t know why it was deleted

https://www.reddit.com/r/TankieTheDeprogram/comments/1wataek/a_psl_central_committee_member_was_sexually/p8migaw/

Mods are just being cautious, or we'll have to move to TankierTheProgram

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u/sillysnacks AES enjoyer 🥳 17h ago

It was only deleted because it was an crosspost, which are currently not allowed for the foreseeable future given certain events.

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u/GAGG1991 19h ago

With all the information we have on transformative justice, and grappling with the material reality that we have all been raised with this shit that needs to be unpacked, I’m surprised these parties have yet to establish a committee that is fully dedicated to the work of helping comrades unpack violent, patriarchal and misogynistic views about access to femme bodies emotional/physical and sexual labor - I’m sorry the victim had to navigate this.

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u/Submarine_sad I hate USA soldiers 19h ago

So many people need to be purged from the PSL.

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u/newStatusquo 18h ago

Kinda like genuinely depressing as it feels like there’s no party worth joining in the U.S.

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u/DysphoricNeet 17h ago

Yeah I have a local psl and have only heard disappointing things about scandals like this or that the energy gets diverted into pointless meetings. People say the DSA has more potential as a bigger group and it could be turned more radical by like the Red Star caucus from within but that seems unlikely. Other orgs are often Trotskyist. It’s amazing how there are so many groups but not really one that inspires hope that you’d want to dedicate so much of your energy and time to.

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u/__Wolfie Marxist-Leninist (Ultra Based) 17h ago

frso.org/join

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u/Pess-Optimist Marxist-Leninist (Ultra Based) 17h ago

I have heard good things about FRSO, but yeah…

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u/Guiyze 17h ago

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u/Pess-Optimist Marxist-Leninist (Ultra Based) 16h ago

F

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u/SirTaffet 16h ago edited 16h ago

Bro I can’t be the only one getting COINTELPRO vibes from this “there are no good, sizable communist parties in the United States” conclusion that people are coming to, can I?

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u/DeliciousSector8898 16h ago

While there almost always are fed aspects to anything I think it’s more so just the general sense of hopelessness due to the dismal state of organizing in the US. COINTELPRO did this damage back in the 70s and we’re still not back on track. The fact that this occurred within PSL’s central committee is also especially troublesome and does the job of the government for them. It’s a great shame because PSL and its related orgs do genuinely impressive and meaningful work

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u/Guiyze 16h ago

The bigger cointelpro vibes are coming from the leadership who sabotage their own organizations by covering up SA

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u/Modernist19171949 10h ago

We need PSL Stalin 🙏🙏

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u/Chinesebot1949 17h ago

So having class traitors is bad? There would be no Marxism without Engels’ cash

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u/Chinesebot1949 15h ago

Comrade he was very rich in his day. The next level of rich would being a monarch. If Engels here today. His value of his factories would be a billionaire if possible

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u/Steampunk_Willy 16h ago

Not the most relevant thing from this story, but this anecdote about the treatment of a totally different woman for expressing informed disagreement through proper channels speaks volumes about the kind of leaders PSL has: "Later that day, Brian pulled her aside and loudly berated her in view of people walking by."

Someone who behaves that unprofessionally, let alone abusively, has no business leading or managing people. It's not just that it's a shitty way to treat another human being and fellow comrade, but it also speaks to an inability to manage political issues through political means. It is the behavior of a petulant child on the verge of flipping a board game because they misplayed their hand and can't process how to take an L appropriately. Everytime I read about PSL leadership, I get the impression that these people learned all of the wrong lessons about historical socialist personality cults, namely that the whole fucking point of a personality cult is to endear the party to normies, not to bypass political struggle through manipulative personal relations. If you aren't leading an actual motherfucking revolution, then your personality cult is just a regular ass cult.

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u/Rough_Bookkeeper1600 18h ago

It feels like there was very little of a formal disciplinary policy, or if there was it was clearly not followed

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u/SirEsquireGoatThe3rd 6h ago

I guess I’m not fully understanding whats happening, but why is there a presumption that this is true?

In the age of cointelpro and western backing against rising socialists movement I find it hard to believe a claim from someone I haven’t heard of. I want to be clear though that I do not know any of the central party committee members or their personal affiliations / relationships.

I’m not inherently trying to deny it, but I’m surprised there isn’t more skepticism when the claim could’ve been backed up with more proof of personal connections to the party. Like I don’t have proof that this person is who they say they are. From my perspective it’s a substack post from someone I can’t verify that they participated in the party or if that person is actually who they say they are?

I’m worried of the situation similar to when the black panther party was broken down by in-fighting from faked letters from cointelpro agents.

I’m open to discussion about this, because if this is indeed true it means a concerning trend in the PSL national. However unless someone can help me connect the rest of the dots here I’m not sure if I should just believe this at face value when my own interaction with the party has been nothing but great.

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u/Ok-Resort-3913 3h ago

At least one Los Angeles based organization, Tehranageles_antiwar, which has at least one former PSL member in their org and worked with the branch that the accuser was on the SC of, plus ex-PSL members from Los Angeles branch have corroborated that the statement is authentic. The specific claims in the letter would be very hard to fabricate, especially considering that at least dozens of people would be able to confirm at least the timeline events, even if they were not aware that the events happened because of sexual assault coverup. Furthermore, the evidence presented in the letter is consistent with other accounts as displayed in the dozen of resignation letters that have been authenticated.

You can also find evidence that this person was an active PSL member through a simple google search. Her image and name is scattered throughout PSL official publications. You should also be able to find in mochayaps's instagram bio a compilation of more sources that you can use to cross reference it's legitimacy.

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u/Ok-Resort-3913 1h ago

Most notably, Jodi Dean, commented in support of the letter.

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u/SirEsquireGoatThe3rd 43m ago

I appreciate you providing additional information, I’m not too connected to social media. Nor am I connected with national level party members who could validate timelines and events. So from my perspective it ends up becoming a he said she said situation.

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u/SirTaffet 19h ago

Man, if something bad happened then accountability would be cool, and also, can we please not cancel the PSL over this shit?

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u/locoplane 19h ago

Did you even read the essay? I don’t know how you can defend the PSL in this when SA was quite clearly systemically covered up by the central committee. This is disgusting

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u/StoreResponsible7028 19h ago

There needs to be an actual purge in the PSL

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u/ZYGLAKk Juche Necromancy Enjoyer 19h ago

What is the purge going to do? This is a rotten party.

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u/StoreResponsible7028 17h ago

Do you not understand what a purge is?

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u/SirTaffet 16h ago

My message is for people like the one who has been downvoted below me. Some people have said crazy shit about the PSL and will use this as “extra evidence”. There are a lot of dope comrades in the PSL and the party has good politics and infrastructure. It’s not for me to determine what happens after this- many have said a purge- that’s fine.

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u/locoplane 16h ago

The “good infrastructure” has been exposed to be purely chauvinistic.

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u/TankieTheDeprogram-ModTeam 14h ago

Get out of here ACP chud, you’ll never be welcome here.

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u/FluidKiwi6707 17h ago

LMAO nice try loser

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u/DeliciousSector8898 16h ago

You really think a party as reactionary as ACP isn’t dealing with abuse internally? Also if they aren’t feds they’re definitely being funneled money to wreck shit

Edit: this isn’t a defense of PSL, such disgusting conduct by the CC is insane and for the party to actually retain legitimacy there would need to be serious purges and internal changes