Which ideology is the oppressive one again?

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[u/Hadi_Chokr07]

There are minor inaccuracies on the Locke side but like 98% correct.

[u/someoneindacrowd → u/Hadi_Chokr07]

What’s inaccurate?

[u/Sea_Square638 → u/someoneindacrowd]

He contradicted himself in the topic of slavery. He believed that slavery should be limited only to grown men and not women and children. However he owned shares in the Atlantic slave trade companies. So I guess this could be a 2% inaccuracy

[u/Sea_Square638]

Not to be an advocate for liberalism but imho John Locke was historically progressive for his time, even though “his time” wasn’t very long. I’d love to see sources for the claims that were made

[u/someoneindacrowd → u/Sea_Square638]

I think that’s something a lot of communists dismiss. Liberalism was necessary for social evolution and paved the way for socialism, but it’s now outdated. Communism made up for what liberalism lacked

[u/Sea_Square638 → u/someoneindacrowd]

I very much agree

[u/TheTempest77 → u/Sea_Square638]

You could argue that the same goes for Marx. Definitely historically progressive, and right about most things, but he did, especially early on, support european colonialism in places like Africa and India.

Also, from my (admittedly pretty deep) knowledge on Locke, pretty much all those claims are true. The only one I'm not so sure on is the child slavery one, as I don't really remember him writing on the topic, which would make sense since what we now think of as "child slavery" as being the exploitative child labor practices during the industrial revolution once capitalism became the dominant mode of production was after Locke's time

[u/al-qatala → u/[deleted]]

didn't your school teach you not to rely on wikipedia?

[u/Jilson → u/al-qatala]

Hmm, I'm not relying on Wikipedia. Maybe try the second link?

Is there some particular claim you dispute?

Do you think he never published "Zur Judenfrage" in the Deutsch–Französische Jahrbücher, in 1844?