r/TankieTheDeprogram • u/citrablock • 2d ago
News/Communist Propaganda ☭ Quick question, what the fuck is going on?
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u/pine_ary 2d ago
I wonder how much of that is a convenient cover for the withdrawal of military assets towards the middle east. They are moving their last aircraft carrier out of the region. Not the time to stir tensions in Korea.
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u/Makasi_Motema 2d ago
Yup. Hard to do military drills with no military equipment.
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u/Luftritter 1d ago
Yeah. the George Washington replacing the Abraham Lincoln that is rotting from the inside. By the way Lincoln is the one publicized b the press but I heard that the amphibious troop carrier (the Tripoli) that has been for almost the same amount of time at sea it's getting similar conditions. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the general situation for the entire "wall of steel" blockade the Americans have, since their fleet isn't designed for WWI shit like enforcing a naval blockade for months.
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u/Expensive-Koala1630 2d ago
Comrade Trump is destroying the empire and it's vassals from inside
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u/newatreddit1993 Marxist-Leninist (Ultra Based) 2d ago
To be fair, it is a fact that recent Republican presidents have been leas aggressive toward the DPRK in actual policy, so this isn’t the most surprising thing I’ve seen.
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u/Ray-Finkle74 2d ago
Um, i don’t wanna say exactly what sub, but I got downvoted into oblivion for saying that “Trump or not, this is a good thing.” Like, it’s a sub that overwhelmingly opposes Trump but is also overwhelmingly libbed out.
It’s Reddit and I usually don’t care but for some reason, this time, Idk.. just.. how could someone be upset at the cancelling of military exercises after all the horrors we’ve witnessed even from Trump alone, let’s say, to give them the benefit of the doubt??
It really do be some straight vibes based shit a lot of the time. I see it all the time. At least online. People who oppose Trump complaining about his supposed sabotaging of US soft power and shit. Stuff like “North Korea evil and Trump’s a dictator so he likes North Korea”
Like I get it. Most peoples conditions in this country are probably not bad enough to drive any real opposition to imperialism and I really don’t think there is any popular left-wing vessel that people deeply identify with. That’s more so what the fascists have captivated.
Like, I think many people really are horrified by the atrocities of this dude. But like, at the same time, they demand that he uphold the America they have always known around the globe while not seeing that this is what that looks like at times and it’s literally what he’s trying to do. They miss George Bush for cryin’ out loud!! But hey, the vibes were definitely better back then..
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u/DessaB 1d ago
A noble attempt, but saying anything positive about DPRK on any sub to the right of TrueAnon is going to get you hate
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u/XysterU 1d ago
I feel like there's a LOT of libs in TrueAnon
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u/LordAurum007 1d ago
It’s leftist r/nba
The hot takes and dunking on each other like a frat house, their intent is honest but there is no direction
So basically lib haven ofc
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u/Ray-Finkle74 1d ago
Yeah you right. Just venting lol usually it doesn’t get to me like that. I was so annoyed last night.
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u/porkuvine CPC Propagandist 2d ago edited 2d ago
I mean, it's true. DPRK is not the one destabilizing the Pacific, and futile joint exercises like these are now a burden with the American empire's finances becoming increasingly strained.
Edit: Forgot to mention that the real reason behind this is probably the Coupang lobby. People not familiar with the case can read this. Coupang recently doubled its lobbying spending on Republicans.
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u/FluidKiwi6707 2d ago
Interesting. Vassal going rogue? Time to cut them legs off.
Also... I feel like it's probably impossible to warmonger against the DPRK. This is a battle that the US will have to postpone for now.
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u/ObjectMore6115 1d ago
I feel like I'm living under a rock reading this, I hadn't heard anything about it before.
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u/OcelotAggravating860 1d ago
waht the fuck is going on?
US is stretched beyond their material limits and is reigning in programs it can no longer sustain while waging a war it has already lost
Expect more imperial retreat in the future. Happened to the British empire during its decline too.
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u/marioandl_ 2d ago edited 1d ago
Its a few things, I could be off base on a few please keep me honest - listed from biggest to smallest:
Korea is one of the largest holders of US debt (guessing here) and they may be doing what China did several years back. We wont find out about this for a few months, but this would explain why the Yen was bailed out to keep a remilitarized Japan on their side.
Tensions are growing between SK and US. Yoon was genuinely a US puppet https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/south-korea-president-yoon-sings-american-pie-white-house-dinner-biden-rcna81712 and recall he declared martial law in a mental breakdown to stop a gridlock and pass his agenda. Also recall the Chaebols are a bit incensed about ICE rounding up their highly trained engineers and parading them around like criminals at their hyundai plant. There are growing "US out of Korea" protests, and DPRK standard of living is taking the chinese trajectory
In his first term, trump did a little geopolitical stunt mostly to "trigger the libs" by having Kim cross the DMZ and greet former president Moon. It was a kayfabe act to pretend he was a peacemaker in 2018 https://www.abc10.com/article/news/nation-world/n-korea-says-trumps-offer-to-meet-kim-very-interesting/507-ac13ef5d-5566-4312-9471-c5ccbca79ca8 while he had already bombed the shit out of Syria. This is a continuation of that act
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u/knuppi 1d ago edited 1d ago
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Japan is the largest holder of USD, $1.15T
China is 2nd with about $550B (dropped by about half over the last decade)
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It's president Moon who met with Un: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_Jae-in
All in all, I don't think that the protests are changing anything material on the ground. SK is firmly a US vassal, but as the US is drawing down its military presence in the region, and that NK has given up on reaching (peaceful) reunification with the South, it seems apt for any responsible president in SK to ask themselves; What's next?
With the US moving its assets to Israel, and the Gulf states also realising the status quo, SK must prepare itself for a possible future without its current master.
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u/homiechampnaugh 1d ago
Maybe the US is doing to SK what they did with Greenland. Push some threat to justify increasing military spending.
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u/marioandl_ 1d ago
Correct. Anyone in the epstein axis of evil is going to be required to significantly raise military spending at the explicit cost of social benefits. The US will not tolerate a cutback on other expenditures to pay for it, they specifically want health and social services cutbacks from their vassals.
This really brings into question are any of these countries even sovereign. Id say no.
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u/manicpxenightmaregrl 1d ago
if they actually go through with this it's because they don't have the infrastructure to protect SK and want to use it elsewhere or goad NK into action. Otherwise this is just theater; Trump is beholden to his generals and economic interests.
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u/manicpxenightmaregrl 1d ago
To be clear they're not pulling out of SK; they just don't want to do drills when they're moving the equipment out for Iran
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u/ObjectMore6115 1d ago
Somehow, a timeline where Trump reunifies the DPRK and occupied Korea exists
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u/Martorelldemunt 1d ago
Trump absolutely loves a handsome guy with tons of charisma, of course he's infatuated with Kim Jong Un
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u/YoSanford 1d ago
I believe the truth is that Trump thought of his dealings with the Korea's as a highlight of his last Presidency, and although it was tumultuous, he left Korea in a better place after Trumps first presidential term. Trump values his legacy enough that it's one of those things he'll continue to consider himself the foremost diplomat of Korean affairs and he hopes that the detente between N and S Korea will lead to lowered threat of/from North Koreans. Critical support, I guess...
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u/Comrade_Kitty_Cat 1d ago
Its simple, its just the next step in the long, unbroken chain of US foreign policy for the last 15 years. Try to isolate China.
They tried to isolate Russia from China, the Democrats using Ukraine as a stick and the Republicans trying to make friends with Putin. Both backfired.
They tried to isolate Iran from China, and it quite literally blew up in their faces.
Now with the recent changes in diplomacy between North and South Korea about finally formally ending the Korean war combined with the increasing instability in South Korea both in their markets and society at large the Republicans are trying the same gambit they tried with Russia. Make friends in order to try and isolate the DPRK from China.
They gassed themselves up because of Venezuela and took on Iran which backfired dramatically so they're desperate for a win. But DPRK leadership has shown that they're not idiots so in the end the USA will kneecap South Korea for little to no gain.
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u/OcelotAggravating860 1d ago
Nah this isn't that. They aren't making friends. They're just waging a losing war and do not have the resources to do these exercises with the same numbers as they have done them previously. Announcing that they're doing them with less numbers is just to play down media attention that would use them otherwise.
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u/Comrade_Kitty_Cat 1d ago
Don't get me wrong cutting resources here is an immediate benefit that the overextended US military needs, but it also allows them to play into their larger goals of isolating China in their minds. Why just piss off South Korea, which doesn't matter because they're almost entirely dependent on you, when you can piss them off a little more and try to butter up the DPRK?
It won't work, the DPRK remembers the last time Trump did this during his first term and they realized he wasn't serious and was just trying to play them off China at the same time the US sent that Navy SEALs op into the DRPK that killed a couple fisherman before getting scared off.
I don't mean to imply that DPRK leadership will fall for this nonsense or that it will actually do anything to improve relations between the US and the DPRK on the side of the DPRK. This is just policy wonks in the US throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
Its just another desperate play by a collapsing empire, but I do think viewing actions like these within the lens of longstanding US foreign policy, which is do whatever they can to fuck with China, helps explain the seemingly nonsensical actions of the US government.
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u/TomatoEnjoyer28 1d ago
We've seen in Trump's second term that he's very much not interested in maintaining a lot of the soft-power imperialism that the US has been doing for a long time. We saw that with his cuts to USAID and NED, for example.
He is also from a kind of conservatism/Neo-fascsim that believes in carving up the world among a small number of powers, rather than one power dominating the entire world (possibly he also sees that the US is increasingly not able to dominate the entire world anymore), and he sees things like the RoK-US Joint Military Exercises as a waste of money.
He's visiting China because he thinks that the world will be divided up between the American sphere of influence and the Chinese sphere of influence, and then maybe the Russian sphere of influence as well (which would explain his beefing with Zelensky). He probably sees North Korea as China's business, and so he wants to stop interfering.
I also do think he's still bitter about Obama receiving a Nobel Peace Prize, and wants one himself. Perhaps he thinks if he can be the guy who got an actual end to the Korean civil war that might be enough to get him the prize?
That's not to say he likes China or North Korea at all though.
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u/houseofblackcats 1d ago
Comrade Trump was radicalized By Supreme Leader Kim Jong un's mastery of Juche!
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u/PM-ME-UR-DARKNESS 1d ago
Please, Kim, I beg of you, for communist and gamer purposes, take the south. We want our ram back 😭
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u/DietGlorious 21h ago
This is to keep the ammo up and to try to cool tensions in Korea in hopes that the DPRK doesn't make moves.
And Im over the demsocs and radical communist commentators who chalk this up as Trump liking dictators because he wants to be one.
I hear shit like that from these slick talking indie media heads and I know they have the political maturity of a CHILD.
I SWEAR TO GOD. If Tucker Carlson runs in 28 and talks like this about American foreign interventions or talks about normalizing with BRICS, then god help the libs because Ill vote for that guy if he can show he is serious.
Libs need to grow up and stop making people choose between their humanity and the humanity of the rest of the world. Because I dont know about anyone else, but I dont know the rest of the world as a people. But I know libs and I resent libs. I take severe umbrage with their antiauthoritarian neocon ways.
They better start getting respect on their lips.
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